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Sexually liberal ----- Is this a fact or myth for Polish women living in Poland?


Justwondering
3 Jul 2012  #1
I'm pondering on this one for a while now and I'm not able to decide. So here I'm asking this to all Poles based in Poland. What do you thing?

Are Polish women sexually liberal or are they conservative? Do they change partners very often....are they open to sexual proposals (I'm not talk about prostitutes here)
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
3 Jul 2012  #2
There are as many attitudes as there are Polish women. Please stop with the generalisations already.
Zman
3 Jul 2012  #3
Keep wondering
4 eigner 2 | 831
3 Jul 2012  #4
There are as many attitudes as there are Polish women.

you mean, as there are women ... people, in general ;-)
WatWat 3 | 43
3 Jul 2012  #5
I would agree with Magdalena. I have people in my circle of friends who will under no circumstances have sex before marriage (and consider even kissing to be a Big Deal), others who are in poly relationships, others who regularly have one night stands, others who prefer one long term partner at a time (maybe or maybe not for marriage) ect, ect. Personally, I think Poland has a wider spectrum of attitudes towards sexuality than in the average country.
southern 75 | 7,097
3 Jul 2012  #6
others who are in poly relationships

Poly relationships with other girls?
ShawnH 8 | 1,498
3 Jul 2012  #7
others who are in poly relationships, others who regularly have one night stands

Let me ask (on behalf of the OP), is there some way to Identify these particular wimmen? Maybe we could put a nice letter, lets say for example one scarlet in colour, on their low cut halter tops.....
WatWat 3 | 43
3 Jul 2012  #8
Poly relationships with other girls?

Depends on the person, but generally the poly folks I've run into here are hetero

Let me ask (on behalf of the OP), is there some way to Identify these particular wimmen? Maybe we could put a nice letter, lets say for example one scarlet in colour, on their low cut halter tops.....

Unfortunately, the "I shag strangers in bathroom stalls" T-shirt is no longer in fashion. I think the OP might just have to do it the hard was and talk to teh wimminz.
southern 75 | 7,097
3 Jul 2012  #9
Depends on the person, but generally the poly folks I've run into here are hetero

I mean in the poly status there is one guy with several girls or the opposite one girl with several guys?Polki never cease to amaze us.
WatWat 3 | 43
3 Jul 2012  #10
While I've run into a Polish guy with several girlfriends, I have yet to run into one where the girls are aware of what's going on. And that's not poly.** Of my female Polish friends, 3 are actively in a poly dynamic now (as in everyone knows the arrangement).

**Now, keep in mind, most of my friends are female, so I don't have a huge sample size of men. Also, I tend to stay away from the "organized" poly community, so there could be boatloads and I'm just unaware. Ultimately, I think that just like with Polish women, there's a huge spectrum when it comes to Polish men. I've met some men who are quite secure with their sexuality and kinks and others who think doing it doggy style counts as a perverted and deviant act.
southern 75 | 7,097
3 Jul 2012  #11
Of my female Polish friends, 3 are actively in a poly dynamic now

This means they enjoy the services of different men?
WatWat 3 | 43
4 Jul 2012  #12
Yes, and that everyone is aware of the arrangement. Without that last bit it's less poly and more cheating.
southern 75 | 7,097
4 Jul 2012  #13
I always knew a common mortal is unable to satisfy the advanced sexual appetites of Polki.These poly men at least act together in sandwich mode or just in a row?
WatWat 3 | 43
4 Jul 2012  #14
The fun thing about poly relationships, is they are all so very different from each other. Really, the only common thread is they all know the arrangement. And really, that just makes things better all the way around.
southern 75 | 7,097
4 Jul 2012  #15
Do you participate as well? Sometimes you need to be careful when you kiss Polki.Not sure what comes to your mouth.
WatWat 3 | 43
4 Jul 2012  #16
Do you participate as well?

I've had a few poly relationships, mostly as a secondary partner but once as a primary. I should also mention, polyamory is NOT swinging. Swinging is about having recreational sex (often at parties or clubs, but not always), where polyamory is about having relationships. As odd as it sounds, swinging is much more about monogamy than polyamory in a lot of ways. A lot of swingers look at feelings and emotional attachments as a bad thing outside the core relationship, while that is the point of polymaory.

Sometimes you need to be careful when you kiss Polki.Not sure what comes to your mouth.

That's true for everyone everywhere. It's certainly nothing unique to Poland. Don't the stats generally come back that something like, 80% of partners are unfaithful? Well, and not to mention the fact that women generally have more sexual partners in a lifetime than a man (of course, getting accurate data is always a challenge, and there's generally lots of dispute among any findings). What can be said for sure, is the numbers of partners reported is going up for women and down for men. Whether that's due to more accurate reporting, women starting to embellish too, or actual changes in sexual attitudes, who's to say?

Anyway, that's probably more science than you were looking for. One of the dangers of talking to a sex educator. :P
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
4 Jul 2012  #17
I've never understood how women can "have more sexual partners than men" unless their partner is not a man. Who are they having relations with, then? If you say women have many different men but each of those men does not have so many women, that relies on each of those high mileage women choosing different men, that would still mean a lot of men getting many partners, so the statistic should not be going down. What's more likely is women feel less stigma about owning up to it, and the men are just getting more shy about it.

Got to say I have no personal experience of this sort of opportunity, am looking at it purely from my (limited?) reasoning and maths skills.
southern 75 | 7,097
4 Jul 2012  #18
I've had a few poly relationships, mostly as a secondary partner but once as a primary.

Polish guys seem keen on their harems.
ShawnH 8 | 1,498
4 Jul 2012  #19
I've never understood how women can "have more sexual partners than men"

Interesting point... Are we talking Mean, Median or Mode? Statistics are often manipulated to show what the presenter wants to show.
Natasa 1 | 580
4 Jul 2012  #20
Mean, Median or Mode?

I would choose Mode. The most robust measure as in this case(s) should be. Robust.

I have to admit, that this all sounds too messed up even for my ears.

One bacteria should travel as fast as light, that part I think I got correctly ;)
OP Justwondering
4 Jul 2012  #21
I should also mention, polyamory is NOT swinging. Swinging is about having recreational sex (often at parties or clubs, but not always), where polyamory is about having relationships.

So what you are saying is Poly relationships are more like living in a open relationship ? One can have number of partners at the same time and also emotionally involved with all of them. Don't you think it's mentally stressful and eventually you loose the value of having a true relationship as sex is definitely involved in poly relationship. In my opinion, being a swinger is less stressful as emotionally you are detached with other swinging couples and get together only to spice-up your sexual life. This way you save your marriage too as most of the marriage failures are because of infidelity committed by either of the partners.

But what I can make out from the comments left before by all, it do seems that Polish women are sexually liberal. Thank you all for your active participation :)
WatWat 3 | 43
4 Jul 2012  #22
Who are they having relations with, then?

The studies are just based on heterosexual intercourse, but it's just the same way the traditional studies show men having more partners than women, just reversed. The reason the numbers are never equal, is because they rarely calculate the raw average. The only point of calculating the raw average is to get an idea of whether or not the study is even sort of accurate or to compare the average numbers to an earlier data set. Instead, most are looking for what the number of sexual partners the *average* man or woman has.

Okay, and here's the TL;DR part that is probably getting way more scientific than you're looking for.

So, in a survey done by More* magazine, we see that 25% of women have had more than 10 partners, while only 20% of men report the same. The average woman has had 9 sexual partners and the average man has had 7 (sorry, can't find the original study which would show the percentages) telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3685314/Young-women-have-more-sexual-partners-than-men.html

* We'll get to why these surveys might actually be more accurate than more "traditional" surveys in a bit. The sample size was quite large (2,000). I cannot find out how they gathered participants, however, and that does make a huge difference. If it's not completely random, that can skew the results. But, the results do stem with other surveys given.

Here's an interesting read on sex surveys and the kind of answers given. Now, this study is looking for the raw average, but it's because they weren't trying to measure the average of sexual partners, but under what conditions people were most honest about their sexual deeds:

researchnews.osu.edu/archive/sexsurv.htm

What's interesting is women who thought their answers would be read, reported an average of 2.6 partners, while the ones that theough they were hooked up to a lie detector reported an average of 4.4. Compare that to men who gave an average answer of 3.7 when they thought their answers would be read and an average answer of 4.0* when they thought they were hooked up to the lie detector.

*A .4 variation would be expected in a sample size this small. If it were a survey of say, 5,000, .4 would be too high.

Well, this is problematic when the most reliable studies have been traditionally thought to be face-to-face interviews.

To compound issues, men and women guesstimate differently. Men tend to just give a rough estimate, where women tend to tally the partners in their head, by name. This gives men a generally overinflated number, and women an either accurate or lower number (human memory is one of the most faulty things we have, afterall). ualberta.ca/~nrbrown/pubs/BrownSinclair1999.pdf

And that's just the basics, there's even more variables. The age at which you ask participants, relationship status, cultural and ethinc background, ect. And you have the bias of the people doing the survey to take into consideration. While they might not mean to skew the results, very subtle ways they word the question (even subconsciously) can affect the results they're given.

Another thing, when you're looking at surveys, you need to pay attention to the wording of the questions asked of the participants. Surveys that just ask "How many sexual partners have you had" or "how many people have you had sex with" are going to be inherently flawed since there's a huge difference of opinion on what counts as sex. A good study will actually indicate the sexual activity or activities that count as "sex" for the purpose of the study.

Ultimately though, when you look at good research, there's so many more myths than facts when it comes to sexuality (did you know, for example, that men in relationships with feminists report a happier sex life and get sex more often?). And a big part of this has been the decades of either flawed research, misinterpretation of the research by people that don't know how to read a study, and good old confirmation bias (we tend to ignore things that don't stem with our perception of the world).
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
4 Jul 2012  #23
That's all very well WatWat and thanks for typing that all up, but let's get to the nub of it: where can I find some of these loose women??!

;o)
WatWat 3 | 43
5 Jul 2012  #24
Well, statistically speaking, they're quite common. The question is, what kind of woman are you attracting? Or, are you attracting the kind of woman who will shag you without a commitment and are you unaware of that? That seems to be the biggest complaing of my female Polish friends, and I have seen it first hand.
ShawnH 8 | 1,498
5 Jul 2012  #25
I would concur with your statement...
InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
5 Jul 2012  #26
The question is, what kind of woman are you attracting?

Can't answer that one, haven't attracted a woman since 1985

:o)
southern 75 | 7,097
5 Jul 2012  #27
They complain that men commit to them without shagging?
WatWat 3 | 43
5 Jul 2012  #28
Can't answer that one, haven't attracted a woman since 1985

Unfortunately, I've got nothing when it comes to dating advice.

They complain that men commit to them without shagging?

More that guys will be clearly into them, and so totally clueless that the girl wants to shag.
southern 75 | 7,097
5 Jul 2012  #29
And how can we recognize the dziewczyny afraid of commitment? Do you think that even Balkan power is not enough to extinguish the sexual flame of Polki?
WatWat 3 | 43
5 Jul 2012  #30
I have no idea, mate. I just know that some Polish guys have rather odd quirks.

Sorry, missed a few quotes: Poly relationships are a type of open relationship, but not all open relationships are poly. Swing, f. eks. is open but not poly.

Not everyone is wired to be poly, but if you are it's not any more stressful. You have to trust your partner, you have to work at keeping not one, but a few relationships going, jealousy can be a bad thing too, but it's great for the people who enjoy it. It depends on the arrangement, and there are many, but generally the dynamic is a primary couple. The other partners are all secondary (or even teritiary) to the primary. Everyone tends to know one another and is at least on friendly terms as well.

Polish guys seem keen on their harems.

Never had a poly relationship with a Polish guy. Like I said, in my experience, they're mostly mono. Plus, not in a poly mood right now.


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