What is wrong with Poznan?

That's quite spot on. I wouldn't say he has a chip on his shoulder. Guys, he already excused himself in this thread. He said he had had a bad moment and needed to vent a bit. It happens sometimes to everyone.

Is it an obligation in medicine?

(not that he'll be working in medicine after finishing the joke of a course in Poznan, but anyway)


He's just one in a long line of them ;)

depends where you live.

Delph and other Poznanians, help WMS see the good and endearing side of Poznan. I, for one, happen to love the place and think that the people are generally fantastic folks--but, I've never spent more than a span of three months at a time there.

Me too! Try a call to the States in the 80's......One mellows with age :)


That's not true. Polish med schools enjoy a good reputation in the States.[quote=pip]You

actually that is pretty spot on for the most part:/

Lesson learned: While it's completely normal for new arrivals to ***** about any country they've recently arrived in, it's probably not a good idea to do so on a public board full of people who have mostly already made their adjustments or who have a chip on their shoulder against some category of people you belong to.

Really, the level of nastiness among some people here is really uncalled for, I've defended him in the past but delphiandomine has shown less than zero class in this thread and deserves another yellow card (at least).

Honestly, it's because I've experienced first-hand the utter arrogance that many of his ilk have. I've heard countless stories from people about how they behave, how they act and how they think that the world owes them a living - his posts are just yet more proof of that. Then there's the personal experiences of how they behave and treat the locals.

One example - I was present during a conversation with one of them, who was bragging about how his money paid for the university to have nice new equipment for the "poor Polish". Fine - he might have a point, but it's not the kind of thing you say in front of Polish people.

As I said - most of them are just utterly disrespectful towards others.

(thankfully, most other Americans in Poznan are wonderful people who would never mix with this arrogant, stuck up, self-centred crowd.)

Nice try - however, the tests are administered on a computer and marked by the NBME in the USA. Detailed grade reports are then sent to the school, distributed to the departments, and given to the students. Polish students do not take these exams. They are however exceptionally useful tools for comparing yourself to American medical students and also in preparation for the USMLEs. Not that you would know Delphiandomine, as its obvious you are not only not a medical student, but also unwilling to state your educational background.

And you think that these tests are conducted in fair conditions, given that these students "must" do well in order to keep the cash coming in?

(by the way - if you want questions answered, use your real username and not a sockpuppet)

I had you all wrong, carry on: )
Don't live in Poznan but do know about the dog crap everywhere and yes, it is disgusting. Unlike most pedestrians here, my head is on a swivel so I generally don't get almost run over but do know exactly what you're talking about and my response is to knock on windows and invite people out or kick their cars. And when I drive, I avoid the p*ssing contests on the road and try to avoid the pedestrians but honestly some seem determined to create havoc: /

What would you consider "fair" conditions? A nice, newly remodeled, bright, well ventilated room with large flat screen monitors with privacy shields and comfortable chairs?

Incidentally, can you tell me where all of the admission offices are for the English program?

Again, what are your qualifications?

Also, how can one use a sockpuppet on the internet? Aren't they those charming, old fashioned childrens toys originally made from old socks? (If not, I'll be happy to learn, as English is in fact not my mother tongue.)

In other words, you're prejudiced.

Do you say that Polish medical students are educated badly or worser than you?

Caminoreal maybe you can answer me how many students fail to pass those tests and how many drop out?


sockpuppet is a term for a fake forum account which is made by a user who wants to have a support in a discussion. In simpler words delphiandomine thinks that you and whymedschool is one person. To be honest it's quite weird that you appeared here so suddenly.

Do you not have to have mental issues to create a fake account to back up what you are saying?

I've lurked in the background here a lot. I originally found this forum 2 years ago, right before I moved back to Poland and had hoped it would provide some insight or knowledge. Overall, its been disappointing on that front. It has mostly shown me how much English speakers in Poland seem to dislike Americans. I decided to participate on this thread only after seeing how much this Delphiandomine guy had it in for the English medical program. I'm still curious to know his credentials. His random allegations of buying degrees and such were enough to bring me out of the shadows.

To that respect, I guess I should share mine. I was born in Poland, and lived here until I was 16. I finished high school in the United States, went to university where I earned both a bachelors degree and then a masters degree. I came back to study medicine in Poland for many reasons, the first being I simply cannot afford medical school in the United States. I plan on returning to the US after my studies here, as earnings are terrible in the Polish health system, and my parents are living there.

As for the drop out rate? I am honestly not sure. I think it was about 5 to 10 percent in the first year of my class. But I do not know why the students who left chose to do so. They may have failed, they may have realized medical school was not for them, they may have had family problems or health problems.

In the end, the program is good enough for me to realize my dream of becoming a doctor and for that I am grateful. This is why it is annoying to see people like this Delphi guy trash the program with seemingly no reason.

Excuse me, insightful in what? What foreigners think/know about Poland?

The whole issue has to do with statistics and population performances.Let's say there are some basic questions.For example should only intelligent people become doctors?And the second should a doctor be intelligent?

So what happens in reality.Let's say US medical schools lower the standards to accept minorities through affirmative action.On the other hand test difficulty has to be adjusted according to the level of of US graduates.As a result USMLE tests are standardized in a level that allows people with IQ over 110 to pass them.Probably lots of US graduates from foreign schools are below this level so they have a 45% failure while US graduates have a 7% failure since the test difficulty is standardized according to their performance.(so that 93% pass).

Anyway it is a complicated issue with lots of social pressure and in case of EU students studying in Poland,CR,Hungary it is considered a political issue and a social problem.It is sth like a hot potato because many of the students studying in these countries are well connected and have parents already in the proffession so they can doubt about every admission process.(US students can doubt only indirectly because the system of admissions for them is very standardized and balanced).


You could take student loans for that.I am sure you tried to enter the US medical school since opportunities after finishing it are way better.

About the real value of medical school you just have to see the university rankings.US medical schools are among the first 50 worldwide while polish ones must be somehere between 2000th-3000th position.It is normal though it has also to do with the stricter rules of admission for US schools.

Again I say that all this is common sense which will never be accepted by doctors.Also physicians do not care about justice they are against it since they regard it sth against real life procedures.

How strange that "she's" been in Poland for exactly the same length of time as the OP, isn't it?

The writing style is also pretty much identical. Man, that guy has problems.

(and if it was true about the multiple degrees part - if "she" was any good, she would get a scholarship to medical school. For instance - medschool.vanderbilt.edu/financial-services/honor-scholarships

Oh - and this - wumsfinaid.wustl.edu/admissions/faweb.nsf/0ee53e934810efcd86256a94005e5f7d/f54813ed7c5098de86256c29005dc50b?OpenDocument

I think I already know who "WhyMedSchool" is - can't be many Indian-Canadian students with a Polish wife there ;)))

1. It is a commonly known fact that US nationals who study medicine in Poland are there because they either:

a) can't afford it in the States,

b) weren't able to meet the entry criteria to any US-accredited institution. That usually means their test scores were way below the median and too ****** to gain acceptance into med schools located in the Caribbean ( I think these are getting shut down at the moment, warning call for foreigners studying medicine in Poland ).

2. With that in mind anyone studying medicine in Poland probably has precious few options available in terms of moving with their studies elsewhere.

In my opinion such people shouldn't complain about the reality of living in Poland then, I mean seriously you could have studied harder for the MCAT or whatever it is called nowadays.

3.


Yes, obviously having a throng of non-polish speaking med students treat you like a diagnosis mannequin sure as hell increases the recovery chances, especially when we're talking about older patients.

I can imagine it being very, very stressful for older patients who haven't got a clue why these guys have turned up, all speaking an unknown language and giving off incredibly negative body language. They also wouldn't know what was being said - which would increase the stress.


They complain about Poland because they don't have options. I mean - the guy has openly admitted that he wasn't good enough to get into Canadian medical schools!

(Obviously remove the spaces)
w w w.medicine.uic.edu/finaid/cost/COA/

I'm attaching a link to the tuition schedule for the University of Illinois. You can take loans for up to 38,500 USD per year. I really could not afford it.

There are plenty of well qualified students at this school. But apparently Mr. Delphiandomine has met each and every one of us and found our qualifications lacking. Clearly, they cannot compare to his outstanding academic accomplishments!

It's only my second year, so I have not yet taken the USMLE. When I do though, I am sure my scores will be on par with the average American medical student. I'm sure I will then go on to finish the clinical years, take the other steps and secure a residency position. And thankfully have much less debt than had I attended school in the US!

Believe it or not, a lot of the seniors we went to interview/examine were quite curious about us. They seemed to look forward to our arrival. I think we broke up their dreary monotonous routines living on the wards.

so you post a link that has spaces in it, are you just dumb or idiot. Can you not post a proper link?

These are both wrong.They could afford it in the States since they are eligible for student loans to study there which they are supposed to pay later during residency.On the other hand they pay almost the same tuition fees for studying in mediocre university in Poland without getting any loans so the whole issue is just a misnummer do not let them fool you.

The second assumption is also wrong.They may not have scored below the median in MCAT it is just that US medical schools accept only 30% of applicants which leaves many out(also by applying affirmative action which means in retrospect that a 75% of white applicants gets rejected).Also we should take into consideration the inhuman pressure asked by the extremely high performance of Asian students in every kind of standardized test they score above their natural ability it is a well documented fact by use of memorization techniques and other tricks they are advanced in sth known to universities which apply much stricter admission protocolls for Asian students otherwise competitive faculties would have been overrun by them.

For example imagine sb with common intelligence and work ethics who is excluded from becoming a doctor due to heavy competition.Mind you that these people regard this kind of competition as unfair we talk about pools here and they do not recognize the right of the other person to exist in the pool.For example the offspring of the doctor does not want to go thorugh the same admission process and have the same criteria applied on him because he thinks that as an offspring he is exceptional.

It is feked up logic really and you cannot reach conclusion in fact it is not even permitted to discuss these issues people affected become violent.So to write these things on the internet we are bullies for free as we say here.

It worked for me!

Polish Forums would not allow me to post the link in its proper form. So I added the spaces, assuming most users would be smart enough to remove them...as I said.

Why haven't you started a course in Polish, it would be for free?

med school is free in Poland?

yes.