What is the reaction of Poles to Russian?

Molotov gave the impression of being "pro-German", which he might in fact have been. Fact remains though, he was wary of, if not intimidated slightly, by Hitler:-)

As far as Germany "courting" Poland, hardly a whirlwind courtship, if any!LOL The relationship was scarcely equal, since Germany merely looked upon Poland as fodder for the German Reich, as a nation populated by ignorant, drunken peasants (whom Hitler even referred to as "Untermenschen"), there if only to do Hitler's bidding!

Poland was one of numerous former Soviet "satellite" states/republics, used by Moscow for her own ends right up through the fall of Communism in around 1989-90.

I didn't write he was pro-German, I don't know whether he was "in fact" pro-German or not. I wrote that he was a long-lasting supporter of the agreement with Germans and probably that's why Stalin dismissed Maxim Litvinov from the position of the Commissar for Foreign Affairs (since Litvinov was rather a supporter of alliance with Great Britian and France) and appointed Molotov in 1939.

Whether Molotov was wary or intimidated by Hitler that I do not know, maybe he was pis$ing his pants for all I care - I have no idea and I don't know how does this matter and why we're even discussing this man. In the end it was Hitler and Stalin who decided about the content of the pact and about signing it, not Molotov.


Well, it was significant enough for Russians I discussed with or so they claimed :)


I didn't write it was equal, I wouldn't even say there was any "relationship" and that was my point - Nazi Germany was courting Poland but Poland refused to go along with it.


And you think that German Reich looked upon the Soviet Union in a different way? lol Of course, the Soviet Union mattered far more militarily and politically than Poland, there's no doubt about it, but Hitler and his ideology regarded all Slavs as subhumans.

Have you heard about the Nazi Generalplan Ost? According to this plan all Jews were to be exterminated along with majority of Slavs (the rest would be turned into slaves of the Reich). Russians were to be entirely exterminated by stopping the birth rate of the Russian population and 3-4,8 mln of Poles were to be left alive as slave workforce. The Nazi Germany was supposed to rule from Portugal to the Ural Mountains.

I wouldn't call it exactly an "equal relationship" but each to their own, I guess :P


Yes, and? I don't understand what's your point, Lyzko, and why we're even discussing this.
As I wrote, Poland didn't "go to the altar" with neither Nazi Germany nor Soviet Union. I think your comparison with a bridesmaid isn't correct - Poland wasn't even present at the wedding. Poland was kidnapped and gang raped during Nazi Germany's and Soviet Union's wedding night. After the World War II Poland was forced into Soviet Union's "harem" - it didn't end up there by its own free will either.

That was my point.

What to say? Germany was seeking Poland as an ally. That clear. What is interesting in that exchange is the fact that despite of Lyzko's claim to be a history teacher in a collage he knows nought about all that. :) I would say that is significant.


I think that is just showing off, saying all he know on a given issue in order to impress.

No, my point was that history is written by the winners, and so it usually depends on the history you read. That's all I meant.

In a Russian history, Marshal Zhukov is the ultimate Soviet hero. Read a US history, Patton and Eisenhower are at the top, and read a German history FROM THE PERIOD, Paulus and Guderian were the point men for the military whose "perfect" strategy was merely thrown off by the Russian winter, through not fault of their own:-)

Guess the latter forgot conveniently about NapoleonLOL

There were painful things in Polish-Russian relationship. All would be said in time, nothing forgotten, maybe forgiven due to understanding of situation. Both of you, Poles and Russians. Its process in both directions.

But, one thing i clear. You Poles owe one great thanks to Russians for their support to Serbians. At a time when finest were brought to their knees, where Poles were stooped in attempt to help them, Russians continued.

And finest arising. Slowly but surely. Certainly. And you shall see what would happen. How millions multiply, gathering. You shall understand, Poles, wisdom of your Jagilonian Kings who gave everything that they had for salvation of Serbians. They invested well. So you shall see how coming what cannon be.

Go thank to Russians.