Texas09, as I wrote, Poles are looking up to the West
I understand that. That's my point exactly! There is a difference in competition and it being a wannabe. Several years ago, in Warsaw, in a POLISH newspaper, I read an article about some museum that they were planning on building in Warsaw. One of the people involved in this museum was quoted as saying that it would be "like the Polish Louvre!" Now, if he had said something like "It will be bigger than the Louvre and hold twice as much art!" I would have been like:
. Why? Because that's a healthy sense of competition and it denotes the attitude: "I am capable and good enough to build something that improves upon something else that has already been built" instead of..."Oh, well, maybe if I build an imitation of something that already exists, I'll be good enough."
Over history, different kings and rulers and nations have tried to compete with each other and outdo each other and to prove how wonderful they were through their achievements. And these are the things that are remembered and admired. But if even if you DO have something that is admirable, but you act like it's crap, or that it's almost as a good as something else, NO ONE WILL ADMIRE IT. You have to believe in yourself and respect yourself before others believe in you or respect you. The United States today is (still) the most powerful country and arguably the wealthiest country in the world. The US has made GREAT achievements. Today, it is reviled and loved/admired for its greatness. But it didn't start out that way! It started out with a handful of unhappy immigrants from Europe. Less than 300 years ago, it was still an unsophisticated colony of Britain, that geographically spanned only the eastern coast of North America! Think about that. 300 years ago, Poland was much bigger than it is now and was the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, with centuries of history under her belt. How did those colonists, who walked along muddy streets and lived mostly in wooden houses, while most of Europe (including Poland) studied in centuries-old stone universities, come to be the most powerful nation on earth? It certainly was NOT because they "looked up" to and compared themselves to anyone else. If anything, the US built things to compete with other nations. "Manifest Destiny" was ideal for a long time under which American society operated. It meant that they believed they were meant to do great things and they deserved great things. And then they went out and did them. Now, whether or not this "Manifest Destiny" was ethical is another question. A lot of Native American tribes suffered greatly. However, my point is that the US did not get to where it is today from the starved and measles-ridden pilgrims on the Mayflower by kow-towing to everyone else and hoping someone would think they're cool enough.
I'm not saying Poland should just give the West the finger, or anything like that. I'm just saying chill out with the West-worship, and start taking pride in some of Poland's achievements. You MUST take pride in your own work in order to be successful at anything. This is true for individuals, and for societies. Poland should just focus on being the best it can be rather than looking at its neighbor and trying to measure up, is all I'm saying! ;)
As I wrote, I don't think I ever heard such comparison.
Someone earlier in this thread wrote this:
Google has a floor of offices in down town Krakow which is quickly becoming the Paris of Poland.
That is NOT how the comparisons I am referring to are made. We're straying from the original intent here. :) And my point remains: if Krakow is considered an artistic city in Poland, why the need to compare it to some other artistic city? After all, if it is already known, in Poland, as an artistic city... it already has that definition. So comparing it to Paris in order to illustrate how artistic it is, when it's already considered to be artistic, is redundant.
And look at your own post - you just compared Texas in a way to the East of Poland/Eastern Europe :)
Yes, but I didn't say "Texas is like the American Poland!" Instead, I said that both places have similar characteristics that I like. The would more like saying "Krakow has a lot of art. You can see artists selling their creations on the street. Paris is like that too. I think that's why I like both cities."
For me it's JollyRomek that didn't understand anything of what I wrote.
I think JollyRomek's point was that if it's Poles in Poland comparing their cities to foreign cities, then it can't very well be a "point of reference" because these comparisons are made among Poles, rather than to foreigners. Which is my point, as well. And because I AM Polish, it actually bothers me because it sounds like something isn't good enough unless it's the Polish version of some "Western" counterpart.
I mean, I do not live in Poland, so I maybe I don't have a right to try to get Poles to stop comparing themselves to "The West," if it makes them feel better. But this is just how it appears to me, as an "outsider" in Poland. And this is just my emotional reaction, as a person of Polish blood who feels a connection to and pride for Poland.
Isn't Anglo-Saxon different to Romance soul?
The landscapes are very diverse in the whole Europe
First, I am not talking like "Slavic Europe" is some sort of separate continent. I never even remotely implied it. Of course there are nice landscapes everywhere! But that does not negate the fact that different regions of the world have different landscapes that I, personally, am more drawn to some than to others. This isn't right or wrong; it's simply my preference
. As I said, I "associate" Poland and Eastern Europe with this landscape, along with several other things. I was speaking of my personal feelings I had regarding a particular term. Just like you may "associate" a certain love song with your first kiss, or associate a certain color with a certain emotion. Let's not get pedantic. I'm not trying to insult you!
Of course, we could just drop the West vs Central vs the East of Europe division altogether and just call it "Europe", but I don't see anyone doing that :)
Yes, of course. Poland always has and is a part of Europe. And I think more and more these days with globalization the ideas of western and eastern europe are falling the wayside. It's just Europe. BUT if one is going to make those distinctions, then one can start splitting hairs. The US is the US, even though Georgia is "The South" and Pennsylvania is "The North."