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Why are Poles in other countries called "Plastic Poles"?


Lenka 2 | 1,421
10 Jul 2019  #121
And half of them couldn't pronunce their names :D
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #123
@Joker

The only thing people mostly from the British isles can do is say oh your a plastic pole. That's cute considering it's coming from people who aren't even Polish and fall into a category of either LBH or sexpat, but never someone who's actually Polish by blood. Even finding a polish citizen on here and not just a resident is a challenge

they're not Poles, they're mixed heritage Americans. Sorry.

Good for them. That doesn't include me as my parents and I were born in Poland, during PRL.

And yet those non Poles are still exponentially more Polish than the british isle posters on here calling others plastic Poles.
Joker 1 | 1,054
10 Jul 2019  #124
And half of them couldn't pronunce their names

Sounds like someone is biased against the USA, no wonder youre not a mod here anymore.

Thats right, were too stupid to pronounce our names Lenka

they're not Poles,

Oh yes, you're so much better than everyone else around here. Nobody else is Polish because YOU 2 big mouths say so.....lol
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #125
They have no reason to now that Poland has a great economy and wages are much higher " - what does that even mean'

It means that the UK is no longer an attractive destination for poles to move to live and work, as evidenced by the negative net migration numbers. It means that the wages vs cost of living makes Poland more attractive now than UK which again is evidenced by negative net migration

Obviously those who are well established will stay as they don't want to make their life over again in Poland. Nonetheless the numbers prove that poles are no longer moving to the UK and more are leaving than coming.

I just hope they're okay and dont get spontaneously culturally enriched, by a pillar of Islam, a religion of peace suicide vest, or any other method
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
10 Jul 2019  #126
yet those non Poles are still exponentially more Polish than the british isle posters

what does that even mean? how can someone be 'exponentially' more one nationality than another? You make no sense.
The vast majority of 'Pol-Ams' maybe had a Polish grandad, tops. Obviously you are different.
Where was your granny from JOker? probably the southern states via the middle passage.
By the way Dirk, i dont disagree with everything you say, on principle. Uk is a **** hole, I know that. ONe of the main problems now is that there arent enough jobs. If only the Bulgarians, Roumanians and so on would eff off home. The Poles are OK .
Joker 1 | 1,054
10 Jul 2019  #127
The only thing people mostly from the British isles can do is say oh your a plastic pole

Its the same diatribe these expats have been spewing on this forum for over a decade, its all BS. The UK is a total hell hole and these bozos know it. Thats why all they can do is try and degrade the USA out of their jealousy. The Brits are delirious, anything to try and detract from their festering muslim problem.



rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
10 Jul 2019  #128
Joker, the USA is a histhole and so is the UK. Let's not make it into a 'which country is histier' competition. Btw i am not and have never been an 'expat'. I wouldnt use that word anyway for old Brit men who married Polish women and got stuck there, it's far too glamourous.

As i have pointed out before, the UK 'Muslim problem' comes from the same reason that you speak English. Get over it.,
Joker 1 | 1,054
10 Jul 2019  #129
Joker, the USA is a histhole and so is the UK

One in 5 Brits are Muslims, there is nothing like Londionstan in the USA and never will be.

old Brit men who married Polish women and got stuck there,

Is that their plan to immigrate out of the United Kaliifate into Poland?

Roz
comes from the same reason that you speak English.

What a silly comment and doesn't make any sense at all. Is crow helping you? lol



rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
10 Jul 2019  #130
USA has its own problems of a slightly different nature. As i said, the reason why 1 in 5 Muslims (might be) Muslim, is the same reason that you are speaking English to me now <shrugs> - not a silly comment at all but rather germane to this thread.

Read a little history.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #131
Indeed.

Have you seen uks most photogenic woman?

By the way Dirk, i dont disagree with everything you say, on principle. Uk is a **** hole, I know that.

I exaggerate and poke fun at the UK, not all of it is bad and certain parts are pretty while others look more like the middle East. I make fun of the USA too calling it the Jewnited Snakes of America and there's an equal amount of things I dislike about the USA, but I absolutely love the freedoms we enjoy here and the opportunities available as they're like nowhere else. I personally liked Ireland more albeit I've only been to Ireland once and UK maybe like 4 5 times or so. But when people visit there or even hear about some of the ridiculous things like sharia courts, people being thrown in jail for social media posts, a dude getting something like 10 years for posting a picture that says 'goodbye race traitor' with prince Harry's face, on top of seeing videos of 100k Muslims in just one city praying in public, then add things like a BBC tv license, thought crime police force and a the other things well we can't help but crack some jokes at it.

If only the Bulgarians, Roumanians and so on would eff off home.

Most of the ones causing problems are the gypsies from those countries. Theyre not actually bulgarians or Romanians.

Could they be perhaps.... Plastic bulgarians and plastic Romanians?



rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
10 Jul 2019  #132
Could they be perhaps.... Plastic bulgarians and plastic Romanians?

:D :D perhaps they are...lol

some things are grossly exaggerated by the press though, Dirk, you must know that.

Dont mention the BBC licence though , I may start foaming at the mouth"!
Atch 17 | 2,843
10 Jul 2019  #133
Atch I'll have you know we celebrate wigilia, wielkanoc, etc and not the American version.

And yet, you come across as 100% American - I'm afraid that eating a bit of fish and pickled cabbage on the 24th of December doesn't make you culturally Polish. The vibe you give off on this forum is a certain kind of stereo-typical loud-mouth, blue collar, mid-West American. You've imbibed all of that because that's the society and culture you grew up in. As for speaking/writing the language, when you first appeared here as Adrian, you admitted that your Polish is far from fluent and that you have trouble with reading and writing in Polish, whilst your English, whatever its shortcomings, is completely fluent. If you were really "Polish" it would be the other way round, wouldn't it.
cms neuf - | 908
10 Jul 2019  #134
The number is 4.4 percent in 2011 census. Even if it doubled since then it is still nowhere near 1 in 5.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #135
Well yeah because I work in construction alongside other foul mouthed Poles and Mexicans. And what Im sure I said was it takes me longer to read and write polish. I can do it and understand everything, but aside from reading some polish newspapers and books most of the things I read/write are in English. it's the same with my mom and she grew up in the prl but after living in the USA for a long time and using mostly English for writing and reading it now takes her longer and we'll have to think for a moment whether to like use ó or u, z with dot above it or rz, etc.
johnny reb 17 | 3,661
10 Jul 2019  #136
So if I move to Poland I would be known as a "Plastic Yank".
Would my name still be johnny reb or would it become johnny rebelinski.
I really don't think they make them any stupider then some of the post here.
Dougpol1 30 | 2,951
10 Jul 2019  #137
Chicago and NY has more Poles living there any other city besides Warsaw.

Who have NEVER been to Poland. Grandad was Polish.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,487
10 Jul 2019  #138
And half of them couldn't pronunce their names :D

Does anyone remember a certain Zbigniew Brzeziński? Of all Pol-Ams, he has held the most prominent position in the US Administration so far. His Polish was perfect, the language of a true intellectual, with only a slight trace of an American accent.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,219
10 Jul 2019  #139
If I didn't know any better, after reading all that "you are not Polish" garbage here, I would swear that being Polish is the greatest gift from God himself - just a step before sainthood.

It's not. In fact, feeling Polish and living outside leads to mental disorders. Like marrying a woman and still carrying the picture of your first wife in your wallet. Only an idiot would do it.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #140
But hes a plastic pole because hes lived in the us the majority of his life....

I'm not a big fan of his due to his support for Vietnam war.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #141
It's not.

I disagree. Idk why a pole wouldn't be proud of who they are. Look at where Poland is now vs where it was just a few decades ago. Poland handled rebuilding after ww2, the transition to democracy, world recession, EU accession and migrant crisis masterfully and that's just more recent history. Would you rather be Congolese or Afghan oe something? Or even swedish or German and then have to watch your motherland be raped and pillaged and know that soon your own people will be a minority in their own land just working to pay taxes so all the newcomers can be fed, housed, and otherwise taken care of?

Americans are basically immigrants from every other country and their offspring. The only real Americans are native americans. To most people outside the USA Americans have a bad rep. They're thought of as ignorant, uncultured, often fat, etc. The only positives of being an American are all the freedoms we enjoy which is by far the best thing about the USA and what sets us apart from every other country. Even Poland doesn't have as much freedoms. Opportunity use to be part od that but unfortunately for the average person the American dream is very difficult to attain now.

If I could change my ethnicity I would do it but only for native American. I could then live on a tax free reservation, get money from the government, and if I had the same level of education I'd be in middle management at some casino. One tribe even gives members 100k for graduating high school, not even college. I'd be driving a Maserati but living in a trailer on a reservation. Baller!!
johnny reb 17 | 3,661
10 Jul 2019  #142
Who have NEVER been to Poland. Grandad was Polish.

Why this is such a concern to a Brit such as yourself is beyond me.
What we have here is a failure to communicate Doug.
Here in the U.S.A. if our grandparents came from Poland we consider ourselves Polish weather you or anyone else likes it or not.

Did that sink in this time ?
Dougpol1 30 | 2,951
10 Jul 2019  #143
wages vs cost of living makes Poland more attractive now than UK

Depends what you mean by cost of living. Property here is much cheaper in the small cities. Services too, such as mechanics etc. Apart from that? Let's take food for example. We need food to live don't we? Food here is generally 70/80 percent of UK cost. Clothes are cheaper in the UK. Yet wages are 2.5 to 3 times higher in the UK.

Keep on talking nonsense bud.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #144
Indeed. If your descendants came from Africa and you're black as coal i highly doubt most people would call you a non African, but instead African American. Its the same with polam. Its unique to the USA since it's a country founded bt immigrants. There's of course polish Russian, polish ukranian, etc but that's not nearly as common as polam.

There's even groups of poles in random places like brazil, Argentina and even the sticks of Kentucky. And they keep the culture alive through things like polish language school, traditional dances, etc.

By far the most surprising group of poles are polish Haitians. Imagine someone with the typical polish features but black skin. Some even have blonde hair and blue eyes but black skin. If you youtube polish Haitians or poles in Haiti you'll find em. They're the descendants of polish soldiers under Napoleon who instead of putting down a slave revolt instead sided with them understanding their plight as Poland was going through partitions.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #145
Depends what you mean by cost of living. Property here is much cheaper in the small cities

Most poles dont live in small cities in the UK. And UK is far more expensive than Poland. Idk how you could even say such a silly thing

Keep on talking nonsense bud.

This proves how wrong you are
numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Poland

Consumer Prices in Poland are 39.45% lower than in United Kingdom

Also expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/comparison/united-kingdom/poland

Anyone who would say that Poland is more expensive to live in than UK can't be taken seriously... Unless you're comparing Warsaw to some little village in UK and even then most daily consumer goods still cost more.

But let's habe it your way, say the cost of living isn't the reason why poles stopped coming to the UK and there's now a negative net migration. Perhaps the things like forced LGBT education, hordes of ninjas and neckbeaeds, sharia courts and mosques everywhere, paki rape squads, stabbings, etc are the reason for net migration.

But I, along with the authors of several articles on this topic, believe instead it is because of the wages vs cost of living no longer justify moving to the uk and instead justify moving back for tens of thousands
Atch 17 | 2,843
10 Jul 2019  #146
Im sure I said was it takes me longer to read and write polish.

What you actually said was:

"I don't really understand a lot of the language. I can speak and write better in Polish than I can read and understand conversations. The Polish spoken in the US is much more Americanized in a way than the Polish in Poland. I don't have much contact with Polish people aside from my parents and a few friends and even then we usually speak English - except for with my dad who doesn't know English that well but even then we use Polish intermingled with English."

I actually find that interesting, because, I, as a learner of Polish, have a similar problem. I can actually rattle off a fair amount of Polish with very dodgy grammar admittedly, but I am quite capable of communicating but I have to really strain and listen actively to understand the response! Or indeed, in conversation, a lot of the time I have to make a conscious effort to follow what's being said. When you say that you don't read well in Polish, do you mean comprehension-wise?? That you don't understand the vocab? That would tie in with struggling to understand conversations. Sounds like you're somewhere in the foggy regions of the dreaded B level intermediate world :)
johnny reb 17 | 3,661
10 Jul 2019  #147
Exactly Dirk.
And Americans who's parents or grand parents came from Ireland call themselves Irish.
And Americans who's parents or grandparents came from Germany call themselves German.
And Black dudes breeding with White women children are called "Mixed Americans".
And that is the way it works in American, like it or not.
But since most of you who have never set foot in America you wouldn't know this so your ignorance is forgiven.
Lyzko 22 | 6,540
10 Jul 2019  #148
@kaprys,
The test of a person's intelligence is that when presented with limitless evidence to the contrary of what they've been self-inoculated to believe,

they alter, if not willingly, their previous incorrect position and concede error.

You've royally failed the test!

@Rich,

Is there a positive stereotype.....?

None to my certain knowledge:-)
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,481
10 Jul 2019  #149
@Atch

Not the comprehension more so the vocab and spelling out the words like I'll have to break them down in my mind to write them correctly since I don't write/read polish everyday. Some words that I don't use regularly I won't understand. But no my dad speaks very broken English so I communicate w him mostly in polish. With my mom it depends on situation. My family in Poland tell me my polish is excellent but I don't know if they're just saying that to be nice or not. I've always been self conscious about it because on standardized tests I'd always score higher on the English part like grammar, vocab, sentence structure etc than math or science. So I want to get to that same level in polish. I can speak and write it fluently don't get me wrong i can read every sign, understand everything on the tv, and carry a conversation about anything. But I'll oftentimes forget like the Polish equivalent of some word or use the wrong grammar.

I think it's simply bc we both think in English and translate to polish in our minds.
Lyzko 22 | 6,540
10 Jul 2019  #150
My experience of most Polish-Americans, German-Americans as well, is that they often speak what my Polish teacher (originally from Lemberg before it
was Polonized to Lwow!) blithely termed "Kuchelpolnisch", literally "kitchen Polish".

This is in no way meant to denigrate second, certainly third or even fourth generations of Polish or German speakers, but usually in the latter communities

here in the US, anyway, the ancestral language of the 'Old Country' is the first to go.

Sad as it is to confess, the average Polish-American I've encountered can barely get through "Super Express", as low-level a tabloid as either the NY Post or the

the Daily News. Show 'em "Rzeczpospolita" or "Tygodnik Powszechny" and they'd throw up their hands and pack it all inLOL

Same for German-Americans. No pun intended, but an edition of "DER SPIEGEL" or "DIE ZEIT" is all Greek to them.

Hispanics are a different story! They cultivate their language at home, and speak it fluently well into adulthood without fear or shame.
Once when I brought back a copy of "El Pais" after a business trip to Spain some years back, a Dominican-American colleague of mine looked

at it and could actually read it without a dictionary.


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