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Vandalism in Poland: Has it always been this way?


Paulina 10 | 1,704
3 Jan 2021 #61
What was the idea behind the project? Who were these citizens?

The idea behind the rainbow benches? "To make the public space more colourful" - according to what's written in the project itself:

budzetobywatelski.kielce.eu/zobacz-szczegoly-projektu-po-ocenie-komisji-1400791644-1400794443-70771294596c0eacd1e05dacc993220c.htmlfbclid=IwAR1K27dqsKBIpO7UsoPat3n2QQ5vYUM7q60zX1ouy5veUd5zhy6CiPGBTxg

Everything is explained in more detail in this article:

kielce.naszemiasto.pl/teczowe-laweczki-w-kielcach-co-mowia-inicjatorzy-projektu/ar/c1-7414550

The initiators of the project are a group of friends, young, private people, not any organisation, who would like to stop people from leaving Kielce. I know what they're talking about - I remember quite a few years ago I took a taxi and the taxi driver was complaining about young people leaving Kielce. He said: "Soon only old farts like me will live in this city". It's probably more women leaving my city than men, because there are less women than men here, which is unusual considering that in Poland in general there are more women than men.

Quote from the initiators of the project:
"Kielce is gray and we should make it joyful, more colourful, more infantile. (...) Rainbow is simply beautiful and we should be able to see it more often, not only after the storm."

Btw, besides the benches the project included waste segregation bins, bicycle holders, bowls for dogs, planting trees, etc. but everyone focused on the benches because of the colours. The initiators seem to be surprised that this became such a "national problem".

1300 people voted for the project.

Are you from Kielce? Then let`s forget it, that was a typo. (...) Now I am going to join johhny in his hole.

Haha, don't be silly... ;D I can take it ;) What is it? "The Pogrom City"? "Scyzorykville"? ;)))
(Yes, I'm from Kielce :))

I think I messed up the first link, so I'll post it again:

budzetobywatelski.kielce.eu/zobacz-szczegoly-projektu-po-ocenie-komisji-1400791644-1400794443-70771294596c0eacd1e05dacc993220c.html?fbclid=IwAR1K27dqsKBIpO7UsoPat3n2QQ5vYUM7q60zX1ouy5veUd5zhy6CiPGBTxg

Btw, as for scyzoryki...:

kielce.naszemiasto.pl/teczowe-laweczki-w-kielcach-i-szokujace-slowa-ksiedza-w/ar/c1-7412394
Novichok - | 2,151
3 Jan 2021 #62
The idea behind the rainbow benches?

One thing I really don't like is when somebody takes me for an idiot.
I googled "Kielce benches" and those colors are all about LGBTRSXFDSO. Just as that display in Warsaw na placu Zbawiciela - now permanent. The claim that the colors are just rainbow and oh so cheerful is as dishonest as that "I am gay" means that the guy is simply happy.

Pawian, don't do this anymore. I am older than 7.
Paulina 10 | 1,704
3 Jan 2021 #63
I googled "Kielce benches" and those colors are all about LGBTRSXFDSO.

Not according to the initiators of the project :) I posted two links, you know Polish, you can read them. Did you read them?
Novichok - | 2,151
4 Jan 2021 #64
Not according to the initiators of the project :)

What did you expect? That they would admit their pro-gay agenda and that those benches are their little Trojan horses before they will apply for a full-on gay parade permit featuring masochism and other perversions?

They lied to smuggle that LGTQ crap into the city and society. Go slow so they will not notice is a known trick and that is why gays picked those cute, kid-friendly colors and sweet-sounding words like "gay" in the first place. Who could possibly resist pretty colors and being gay? Oh, how lovely...

Please don't insult my intelligence. It may be low but still sufficient for me to know when I am being insulted and my chain yanked.
pawian 176 | 14,299
4 Jan 2021 #65
Pawian, don't do this anymore

What exactly??

I am older than 7.

Hmmm...... Yes, when age is concerned. But reason? You seem to be fixated on certain topics like a child. Hey, when you see a natural rainbow in the sky, do you say or think: Those damn gays again! hahahaha

Rainbow benches are just colourful, believe us.
Paulina 10 | 1,704
4 Jan 2021 #66
Rich, you asked, so I found out for you - who those people are and what was their idea behind those benches. I'm not in their heads so I don't know whether they were being truthful or not with their explanations. 1300 people voted for the project, the benches are nice and colourful, so I like them. And I live here and I want the city to look nice, obviously. You don't live here, so I can't say I care what you think about those benches or the idea behind them, tbh.

Hey, when you see a natural rainbow in the sky, do you say or think: Those damn gays again! hahahaha

Gays should take the song "Over the Rainbow" as their anthem... lol "Sooomewhere ooover the rainbow..." :D
Novichok - | 2,151
4 Jan 2021 #67
What exactly??

Telling me all that bull how those colors were picked only because of the sky, not because they are gay. Don't do that.

Rainbow benches are just colorful, believe us.

I just said that I don't like being insulted and you are still at it. They could have painted them all colors - one color per bench. It would be less expensive, but they didn't because it would be less gay.
pawian 176 | 14,299
4 Jan 2021 #68
the benches are nice and colourful, so I like them

The Present Simple tense suggests not all of them were destroyed/vandalised. Right? I read they installed 13 benches in the park. How many are still operational? :)

but they didn't because it would be less gay.

You are obsessed. I am going to sleep. Good night.
Paulina 10 | 1,704
4 Jan 2021 #69
The Present Simple tense suggests not all of them were destroyed/vandalised.

From what I know one got destroyed and at least two were painted in Kielce's colours:

wydarzenia.interia.pl/swietokrzyskie/news-kielce-teczowe-lawki-zniszczone,nId,4941068

ttps://kielce.naszemiasto.pl/nie-daja-spokoju-teczowym-laweczkom-w-kielcach-tym-razem-je/ga/c1-8070231/zd/58939411

Btw, before the first one got ripped off someone wrote on it in one handwriting:

"F*ck LGBT
F*ck faggots
F*ck the police
F*ck PiS
F*ck Kaczyński"

I guess someone hates many people lol
Novichok - | 2,151
4 Jan 2021 #70
You are obsessed.

No, I am just not stupid.
That "F*ck LGBT" from Kielce confirms my brilliance.
Paulina 10 | 1,704
4 Jan 2021 #71
And what does "F*ck Kaczyński" prove? That he's gay?? :D
Novichok - | 2,151
4 Jan 2021 #72
No. It proves that one can hate more than just one person or group.
Paulina 10 | 1,704
4 Jan 2021 #73
And the fact that a vandal interprets rainbow colours on a bench as some kind of LGBT statement isn't a proof of anything yet either.
Novichok - | 2,151
4 Jan 2021 #74
Not a proof, indeed.
In real life, we apply the "more likely than not" standard, not "proof beyond a reasonable doubt", or, worse yet, beyond any doubt. If we didn't, life would be impossible outside courthouses. So, for now, if it looks like a duck...
pawian 176 | 14,299
4 Jan 2021 #75
In real life, we apply the "more likely than not" standard,

That`s bad coz you can hurt people with unjustified suspiciouns and accusations. If you have really used it in your life, then you must have given a lot of hell to your family and yourself.
Novichok - | 2,151
4 Jan 2021 #76
There two standards used in the courts of law - more likely than not and beyond a reasonable doubt. Which one do you use in your daily life? Did you invent the third one? If so, please tell us all about it. I am holding my breath...

In case that concept is too hard to understand...A guy with a gun walks into the bank and demands money, gets it, and leaves. Later, he says that he was just testing their security system and that he was planning to return the cash the next day. Do you believe him or do you find him guilty? According to your "logic", you have no proof that he is lying.

Pawian, you are a nice guy, but you embarrass yourself with the posts like the one above. Really.
Joker 2 | 1,791
4 Jan 2021 #77
little Trojan horses before they will apply for a full-on gay parade permit featuring masochism and other perversions?

Exactly. First its a bench, then come sexually explicit acts in front of children under a guise of a normal parade.

Pawian, you are a nice guy, but you embarrass yourself with the posts like the one above

He a disgrace and should have his man card revoked!
Tacitus 2 | 1,237
4 Jan 2021 #78
then come sexually explicit acts in front of children

Just another proof how deeply irrational homophobia is.
Novichok - | 2,151
4 Jan 2021 #79
Exactly. First its a bench, then come sexually explicit acts in front of children

Slow always does it. It's been tried over the centuries and found very effective. "It's only" goes the argument. For now.
Those benches...Can you imagine how hard it is to paint a bench like that using 7 different colors? They could have colored up that park using one color per bench. I could do one in ten minutes blindfolded. But, for some strange reason that has absolutely nothing - not even a tiny bit - to do with guys f**king guys they chose those "rainbow" colors. Sure. And I am a fluent Chinese speaker...

Just another proof how deeply irrational homophobia is.

Google NAMBLA before posting idiotic posts. "In front" is nothing compared to "with" these perverts "love" to perform.
Novichok - | 2,151
4 Jan 2021 #80
There is no phobia at all,

They like to dangle that "phobia" to suggest that it is we who needs treatment, not the biologically useless perverts. Or some sicko who thinks that a dick is a female organ.

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