Any treatment centres for homos in Poland?

I'm neither a homophobe nor a homophile. How can you attach me to the position of another? Remember, don't confuse the difference between 'on ma racje' and 'ma prawo'. I didn't say he was right, I said he had a right.

I still don't get how you see a finger up your bum as being pleasurable but we are all different :)

Oh so I should be the biggest homophobe from all of you! lol :DDD


Well I don't see it because I simply don't know that... how could I know when I've never done that ;>>>

But Marlon Brando seemed to pretty enjoy it during Last tango in Paris... yuck! ;)

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Once (when I was teen) I've asked a gay is it pleasureable and he said yes, because the anus area is really sensitive and erogenic zone. (additionally you know where you have prostata...)

Of course you won't get any pleasure if you are not prepared and the act is brutal. But some gay ppl besides standart method often use something which is black market drug - poppers which makes your muscles weaker.

Well, lubricants may help but the tissue lining is delicate. I'm glad I don't feel the need for that kind of thing, neither does my SO :)

don't take everything so personally because you going to drive yourself crazy;).

I don't know. I just know that for some reason homosexuality for some straight people is all about sex, while the truth is that it is a life style.

It cannot be cured, since it is not an illness.

If you're referring to the paedophile party, that party has been deemed illegal and is being prosecuted to their thethers. Amsterdam does NOT promote paedophiliae. Don't write such ridiculous nonsense anymore, will ya?

And I do agree with Seanus, this thread is offensive and discriminating towards Homosexuals and limits their freedom, it should therefore be closed.

Btw, Thank you, Seanus for the materials! I will have a look at it later on, after dinner.

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M-G (let's bash the bashers)

In Poland many thinks so because our media forgot to mention about delegalisation.


what materials? ;>

Will you pls stop writing screaming nonsense like this?


How is that pssbl? Everybody knows that there are no homos in Poland. :)


My my, aren't we a bit nosey today? :)

It's international relations/political/historical material, but I cannot say anything about it because I didn't have a look at it yet. My attention was immediately drawn to this silly thread opened by a known homophobe.


Conveniently forgot, I would say. Anyway, the founders of that "party" cannot claim to have a large following at all, au contraire, they get beaten up regularily and sued the crap out of them.

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M-G (It's time I start making a list)

As Aphro and M-G said, it is not a disease. Go and cure Tony Blair, one of the most hypocritical psychopaths out there. Giving power to people like that is a collective illness for those that voted for him.

Oh, there are many more than they'd like to admit :) I'll stop there before ripping into religious issues.

Seanus (tells M-G that he is welcome and hopes he enjoys the 3 hours worth of film)

Society, espeiclal young children, is harmed by homo activists who insist on infiltrating schools and even kindergaretns and try to make innocent children opt for this or that orientation. Let them do whatever they do in the privacy of their bedrooms but don't involve others in their options or hangups and hold their lewd, noisy parades where those who don't want to are not forced to watch. Live and let live!

obviously you and i and zy too.. lol


there are those church camps however..


the church camps perform exorcism, basically..


yup and for the most part it does work out that way..


lol.. understatement.. he's "curious" like that. :D :D


i bet, you sexy thing. ;) :D :D


you have a g/f-wife? hmm.. interesting.


lights off. ;)


mr shrub was way worse.. he started 2 wars, man


lol.. obviously he's struggling with his own "happiness".


you're a bad girl. ;) :D :D


your "doctor's" technique must be all wrong.. tell him to be a bit more gentle.. ;) :D


lol... right on. ;)

Oh its even state of fashion to go to gay club on regular basis ;)


oh, oh, some conspiracy theory materials? ;>>>

gay conspiracy.. lol

The ultimate choice lies with them, Pol3, and if their natural orientation dictates that they won't pursue homosexual relationships, then let it be! Live and let live, exactly! Is a parade illegal? Enjoying the breaking news on the cross issue in Warsaw? LOL Live and let live, right? ;)

Let them stab and kill each other in their bedrooms? What if they want that? Why did I have to listen to rubbish about how people scored in nightclubs over the weekend?

They can walk away, they are not forced to watch.

Plk123, LOL. Nothing like phoney stickers. The docs did their job well :)

Zeti, materials on Yugoslavia so we kept it separate.

Pol3 means other problem. Those ppl from gay movement often take part in other civil right fields such as gender & feminism. Nothing against gay but the gender studies ideas are loads of bullsh1t. And those lesbian feminists who try to talk on behalf of every women annoys me pretty much.

Homosexuality is NOT a choice. If a child doesn't have the constellation to become a homosexual, it won't become one, no matter if it's solely surrounded by gay men. Pls stop fuelling the witch hunt any further. Homosexuality is an accepted orientation and after all, when it comes to absolute figures, society is more harmed by frustrated heterosexual men (rapists, child abusers, troublemakers and so on) than by homosexual men. At least, I have never seen a gay man start a fight. And I know a lot of homosexuals, they're good and decent ppl and will never force their sexuality upon anybody else, which cannot be said of young heterosexual men and their attitude towards girls. Just go and ask any girl in a nightclub how many times she has been harrassed by a guy. Probably more than once during any given night she went out to have some fun with friends. I've seen gay men fighting yes, but only to defend themselves after being attacked by those Great Glorious Heterosexual men who wanted to make a stand in front of their friends by beating up a homo. Well, that was the plan at least; the homosexual man beat the crap out of him :))

I always love it when that happens.

Edit: however, what will happen when a kid is surrounded by gay men is that it will develop a natural tolerance for these ppl. So in that sense it's to be cheered that kids are confronted with this form of orientation in an early stage. Maybe in due time this will eliminate the presence of gay-bashers and other violence towards homosexuals.


I would advise you to do the same. They have never harmed you in any way, you probably don't know any homo, so let them be in peace too.

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M-G (is looking forward to view at least part of the 3 hour film tonight)

Well, I agree on that. Civil rights people can be highly irritating. Still, Pol3's tone is lacking in tact.

I echo what M-G just wrote. People who take the highground are dangerous. Look at Tony Blair. I'm watching a 3-hr documentary on him and he is NOT a Christian. Practising Christian, LOL. He's an idiot of the highest order! Pol3, go and join the Danger Club :)

you only speak for yourself Zet, so why would you let others to speak for you?

Nie rozumiem. I don't like it that someone tries to speak for me... yes, its exactly what I've just meant.

I second that. They just pushed a little too far in this case. But there are other issues underlying, not only their Lesbianism. Also the emancipation of women, conquering a place in society and other issues are integrated in this. Of course it can be annoying when you hear some woman speak in the name of all women, but you have to understand that this is just symbolism, not literally meant that way. And after all, if there is a hiatus in any right that a woman may or may not have, every woman will benefit when this hiatus gets taken away. So in that sense they are right, but indeed, they sometimes push it a bit too far.

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M-G (after all, 8 March is international Women's day - guess who introduced that?)

For example I mean this article I've read few moths ago:

"About prnography for women talking with sexual educator Alice Długołęcka.

Men in prn are equally unhappy - have ejaculation for ejaculation , meet certain conditions regarding the size and pretend to be a member of the reactions of excitement at the sight of actresses."

You don't understand polish but those who understand will have pretty fun reading it (and also some of the comments under the article).

I don't like modern feministic movement in general, because it focus to much on gender studies ideas (that girls are brought up from the birth to be point of discrimination)... sometimes it gets to the borders of absurd. The Gender followers would like for the best to make whole human kind to be genderless!


in Poland 8 March is recognised by feminists as a symbol of women abuse.

People who are ignorant and possess half a brain thinks this - certainly not "everyone".


I wouldnt say its a 'mental condtion' its rather a natural thing, its not considered a 'mental condition' for two people of the oposite sex to love each other and find each other attractive.


If there were no such ignorant fools who think its a mental problem or a disease then there would be no such clinics!

FFS, this is the 21st century and people still think this way???????????????? They used to think too much w*nking caused blindness..strangely enough they proved that to be wrong too...if it were true most of you lot on here wouldnt be able to see your keyboards!

Spot on, Am! Many people are rooted in the Stone Ages in Poland and it's good that people like Zeti can show herself to be above conditioning and use their own independent judgement.

you were right in another thread about her.. she's becoming one of my fave posters here too. she's a rarity in these here parts.

Zeti, you forget that he lives in America and I lived in Britain for 24 years (abroad for 8). There are far broader opinions on key issues. Having sb go against the pet line is a rarity and it's great to see it when it comes our way.

More and more people are seeing the nonsense of homosexuality as a disease here.

Very bombastic statement.

For 1: The experts are still fighting over it what it is. I mean experts. ;-)

For 2: Very wisely spoken. Are u philosopher?

I don't think I'm against the pet line (whatever it means). Maybe I'm already a different generation?

The favoured mainline is that sodomy is a disease without questioning why. That's the first mistake right there and they are off to a bad start. What, having sex with guys whilst withholding the fact that you are infected with AIDS is not sick? A woman did this recently and got off the hook.

You might very well be. You're 26, I seem to remember, right? That means that for the biggest part of your life you grew up in freedom. Must leave its traces :)

But you have a good point there anyway, I have, and Seanus most likely can confirm this, said many times that it just takes a generation (or two) before Poland starts embracing modern ideas and liberal attitudes towards issues like homosexuality. You are a good example of that :)

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Not entirely true, Seanus, she got sentenced last week. Can't remember how much, but she was. If you're referring to that singer in Germany, she witheld to her sexual partners that she had AIDS or was Seropositive.

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M-G (so, now I've done my kissing off with ZY, can I go home now? You promised I could if I did!)

As far as I can tell therapy for changing sexual orientation doesn't really do that.

What it seems to do is give those who are uncomfortable with their sexual orientation something that's more important to them than a sex-romantic life that's emotionally fulfilling. Usually this is religious, so a person who thinks their orientation is in conflict with their religion can achieve the benefit of not sinning which might be more important to them than a sex life. They don't change a person's feelings, just how they respond and/or act on them.

And the 'failure' or 'relapse' rate is really dismal (from the point of view of the therapists).

Of course those who want that kind of therapy should have access to it, but some realism on the very small chances of success (and a clear definition of what success in that context is) would be good.

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