Any treatment centres for homos in Poland?

Marching down the street chanting racist slogans is not to most people's taste - why single out homosexuals?


Though all gay people (and wider society in some sense) benefit from what has been achieved by those who shout loudest. Do you think women won equal pay by staying silent and waiting for men to give it them?

Worth mentioning that a few years ago I attended one of the Warsaw parades (as I do whenever I'm in the same city as a parade) and about half of the people I knew there were in fact not gay at all. Those parades tend to be quite fun occasions - family occasions even.


It hasn't in fact happened much unless some right-wing nutters decide to cause trouble, and fortunately the police know which group are upstanding taxpayers and which are riff-raff. Though the modern gay rights movement started in 1967 when the New York police raided a drag bar for no reason other than bigotry and the drag queens gave them a thorough kicking.

Harvey Milk? Yaayyyy PINK POWER !!!

Long before Councilman Milk (wwho is an interesting, if imperfect example of grassroots democracy) and on a different coast. Check out the Stonewall Riot on wikipedia!

Yes, well worth mentioning.

It was the same for other parades/demos I've been around.


Oops. Of course!


Will do.

Why? Do you believe them to be peaceful, think again !


Do you claim this to be some kind of achievement!?


do they now? I naively thought that that implement a law!

Of course! Women fought long and hard in a process involving quite a lot of extreme action in order to first get the vote, then equal pay and which is still going on today. Do you think it wasn't an achievement when women achieved equal pay?


Yes - to protect citizens from lawbreakers, including those threatening violence.

The participants? yes, the vast majority.

The agitators/disruptors, those protesting at the protest? no, the vast majority seem to be intent on violence.

Yes I do think that that wasn't an achievement !


you put it differently before :)
As if they knew ahead (police) who is untouchable and who is for trashing!


the gays, I thought that you saying that gays less violence prone because of their gayness!

So you think women should be paid less than men?


And rightly so, when a Parade is held by well-dressed people having fun, riding on floats sponsored by businesses, dancing, handing out gifts and welcoming visitors, and the 'other side' have jackboots and are shouting agressive slogans. If you were in the police, which would you be watching?

Equal pay has changed social structure, before a family men were paid more, because of their family, equal pay for women, then equal pay for singles and so on.....

Equal meant less, and equal is not necessarily just !

I suppose nowadays that is not an issue - I have only said that it wasn't an achievement because it wasn't !

Sounds very much like "From each according to his ability, from each according to his need". Personally, I'm rather less of a Marxist than you evidently are - I just believe in the good old capitalist 'cash nexus', do a job, get paid as much as you can get for it.

not good indicator of a quality or a worth of work
secondly, in real money or in paper tickets ?


Sounds to me as reasonable in principle!
Anyhow its news to me that USA in 50s have been a Marxist state ...well, what do I know

But the one thing is overlooked. The fags/gays/whatever-PC-name-you-like, as any other organised group of perverts, are harmfull to the society. So they need to be stoped. Happiness of any small group, if said group is harmfull to the humanity at large, is completly irrelevant! Or the next day we'll see pride parade of pedofiles or rapists.

I do pity any Faq, that it was born being such a miserable criter, but giving them any "rights" is absolutely out of the question.

So the parades over there are indeed the pervert spectacles they are here.
Yes, they should keep that sh!t in the closet.


I wish you'd explain this further.


Or at least hold the pervert freaks to the same decency standards as we do others.


Right. It is their intention to offend. And force others to accept their perversions.


They are no place for kids. Anyone bringing children to such spectacles should be arrested for child endangerment, exposing them to indecency.


Yes, this is the modern militant model. Doesn't matter how worthy the cause; just who can shout the loudest.


Well women didn't achieve what they have by staging outlandish and offensive prn parades.


True. Everything should be earned. The minute society gets to 'granting' things on a social basis an injustice is served.


Actually, no. Your stand of coerced equality for all despite what reality and society might dictate fits the Marxist model perfectly.


Oh yeah, this is coming. Bet on it. Once we grant validation to one perversion the others will demand the same. And the decent people who oppose will be PC bullied into "tolerance" and acceptance 'else they'll be called ugly names...

It's the Slippery Slope of society's decline.

So are fuccktarded morons. Can we now stop you?

But an indicator of relationships within capitalism.


What indeed. I don't know where you come up with 1950s America from - I was quoting Karl Marx, from Das Kapital. Interesting you think Marx is "reasonable in principle".





Fortunately the people of Warsaw and their elected representatives seem to think otherwise.


Hardly a matter of what you want to 'give' or not, since you evidently haven't "stoped" gay people getting rights and continuing to get more. It seems you can write nastily on the internet about it, but can't deliver on what you say.

We however have.re


I prefer to think that equality is something we should "hold to be self-evident" as it says in your constitution. Are you trying to bleat that your Founding Fathers were Marxists?


You've clearly never been to any of the Warsaw parades!

Don't get too cocky there. What you have been granted has been given you. And that which has been given can be taken away.

I was quoted by Harry himself. My life is fulfilled now.
But Harry, you know, this is the internet era. Every moron and his mother has the right to publish his opinions on the public forums. As your very existence proves.

So why would I stop now, again? Hugh?

Fought for hard and won - some things can't be taken away in a free society - which in Poland we have.

Which are plainly wrong !


As an example of the place where a family men were paid higher wages because of their families.


I know!


You mean the quote, yes it is ! Do you find it shocking ?

I didn't think you were on the left! A genuine surprise!!


And plainly wrong.

Did you fight a war and win? Or did you merely b!tch and moan and whine and demand and stomp your feet until it was granted you?


Don't be so sure.

What is left ?


the wrong principle or the wrong quote ?:)

Yes, Poles as a whole are very good at getting all of their rights taken away from them. Pity they never ever learn from the experience.

Or pay lobbyists, and change public opinion in our fair country! Though the things you mention are successful to and have achieved results.


Now now, Randal - you know very well that has never happened.

@Jonni "gay geting rights and continuing to get more"

That is a sad truth. The failing of modern, western society. But it is not too late to reverse the trend. We must do it, if we are going to survive. If the western civilisation it going to survive we shoud stop being tolerant towards people who do not deserve it.

You forgot this part: "...that all MEN are created equal". Our society was a bit sexist at the time.


They were slave owners too. This also perfectly acceptable for the times in which they lived.
Hardly makes them Marxists like modern Leftists...

So what are you doing, apart from festering in your spare bedroom spewing crap on an internet forum, while some of us are using all the processes and structures of government and society to our advantage? Next you'll be saying you're a victim of something.


No, I didn't forget the 'men' thing, or the slave-owner bit either. It doesn't alter the fact that the Founding Fathers of the US were men of great vision and really very radical for their time - much more so than the rulers of Europe.

Hardly "fought and won". More like whined, manipulated and granted...


Right. It's time society learned to simply tell some whiners "NO".


We are all of us victims of the continued Liberalizing downward slide of society.

@Jonni "so what you are doing"

First and foremost, I am not being tolerant. With pride. When being called homophobe, bigot, racist or whatever, I just laugh out loud at such a miserable tactics. That is the start, as I see it. Not to let ourselvs to be forced into defence because some moron calls you by stupid PC buzzword.