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Is it safe for Indians, Sikhs living here in Poland? Any Temple / Gurudwara in Wroclaw?


delphiandomine 86 | 17,376    
  13 Mar 2019  #121
You're a Brit I guess, why so much grudge against Sikhs?

He's Canadian and has no connection to Poland. He's posting this because he's trying to discourage you from moving to Poland, because he's a racist tool.

Don't worry about him - those of us living in Poland welcome you here :) You'll be fine in Warsaw, just exercise basic safety rules (don't wander around dark areas late at night in bad areas) and no-one is going to bother you.
mafketis 17 | 6,510    
13 Mar 2019  #122
t the current government have an open door policy for migration. Other countries have quotas, like Estonia. Poland doesn't.

The open door policy with India is very visible at street level in any large Polish city (unlike Ukrainians who mostly blend in).

Like every other European government they're assuming that the people won't want to stay and won't have kids... so there's a real danger of creating a linguistically and culturally maladjusted minority which is not something Poland needs....
delphiandomine 86 | 17,376    
  13 Mar 2019  #123
The open door policy with India is very visible at street level in any large Polish city

Thank you, Maf. Yes, it's very visible these days, and the government has made it very easy for them to live here. They can work as much as they want when they have a residence permit, and many of the struggling private universities have realised that they're a great source of students. I was talking to one Indian guy yesterday about this: they can study a weak course like "business administration" where they turn a blind eye to cheating in tests, they don't have many classes and the rest of the time, they're free to work doing deliveries/working in kitchens/etc. The Indian I spoke to owns several Indian restaurants in Poland, and he says that it's been a great source of labour for him.

I'm always amused when people say that PiS are against immigration. One look on the streets says otherwise.
mafketis 17 | 6,510    
  13 Mar 2019  #124
the government has made it very easy for them to live here

free language and culture courses? I've hardly had contact with them but I had the idea they try to use (Indian!) English everywhere which is a recipe for miscomprehension and failure to integrate...

many of the struggling private universities have realised that they're a great source of students

Another vast scandal in the making - private universities need lots of old money and a large donor base and Polish ones don't have either so they rely on lax standards to put paying bvtts in chairs - clearly not viable. If Poland needs private universities (by no means a certainty) then it would be better to privatize a prestigious state school or two with endowments and charitable tax write offs to see if they could make a go of it (my guess: they can't)

Largely private universities are moonlighting schemes to make up for poor compensation at state schools - raise teaching rates to something realistic and they'd dry up and float away
Spike31 2 | 699    
13 Mar 2019  #125
He's Canadian and has no connection to Poland.

Well, you're Scottish and you do not have much connection to Poland either :-)

so there's a real danger of creating a linguistically and culturally maladjusted minority which is not something Poland needs

That's why it needs to be prevented instead of taken care of post factum.

I think after this autumn parliamentary elections we may see more strict policy towards aliens [migrants from outside of the EU] in Poland. All we need is to vote in Konfederacja (National Movement) in a parliament and PiS may have to be able to form a coalition with far-right in order to rule. This, in turn, will radicalise its stance on migration since both nationalists and korwinist wants to stop it.
Shitonya Brits    
13 Mar 2019  #126
Poland needs diversity

There it is again. The trite platitude of a Leftist NPC virtue signaler.

You claim Poland needs diversity but like all Leftist NPC virtue signalers you don't go on to explain why it is needed.

So what is the diversity goal you say is needed in Poland? How do you measure, calibrate and know when you have met that goal?

private universities need lots of old money and a large donor base and Polish ones don't have either so they rely on lax standards

A huge FBI bust just erupted over in the States (one of the most diverse, pro-immigration countries on Earth) and has exposed a vast college admissions corruption scandal.

Should anyone be surprised that so-called teaching institutions throughout North America and Europe have become nothing more than greedy diploma mills and as a result have become magnates for morons and sociopaths. Not only among the student body but the teaching staff and their lowly, low paid classroom assistants as well.
kondzior 8 | 937    
13 Mar 2019  #127
So, diversity and European values have won another major victory in my city of Wrocław: last week, one Turkish citizen stabbed another Turk to death, right in the center of the city. With some bonus points awarded for globalism, because the whole thing happened in McDonald's restaurant.

Unfortunately, some witnesses had utterly failed to follow the proper guidelines, because instead of hiding or running away in terror, they went chasing after the perp, which resulted in him being captured by the police within minutes.

source in Polish:
gazetawroclawska.pl/wroclaw-atak-nozownika-w-galerii-dominikanskiej-ofiara-nie-zyje/ar/13951709
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
13 Mar 2019  #128
Fooking Turks....

had utterly failed to follow the proper guidelines, because instead of hiding or running away in terror, they went chasing after the perp

Poles are courageous people. Always have been. They're not like the Brits Germans etc who passively accept being replaced and do nothing when their own people are stabbed and children and women raped eveyday
mafketis 17 | 6,510    
13 Mar 2019  #129
Fooking Turks....

It sounds more like Kurds.... in general ethnic Turks in Europe are much better behaved than Turkish Kurds, anyone have any info on the identities in this case?
Shitonya Brits    
13 Mar 2019  #130
India is the most diverse country in world (from language,lifestyle to appearance)...we love it and that's the truth.

You're lying.

The most diverse countries are found in Africa. Go look it up.

India's claim to fame is actual being ranked as the most racist and intolerant country on Earth.

Check it out: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325502/Map-shows-worlds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html

Additionally, all of Europe and each country within Europe has been diverse in languages, lifestyles and appearances too for millennia.

But for non-European migrants like yourself, white guilt virtue signaling NPC liberals, and in the infamously despicable words of the Zionist Jew Barbara Spectre "Europe has not yet learned how to be multi-cultural."

Here, listen and believe: youtube.com/watch?v=UYKyp1e_jYc

Relatedly, did you know that the racist apartheid ethno-state called Israel has many supporters and not just its groveling servile colony called the United States?

Indeed, one of fascist Israel's warmest and closet allies is your homeland India. It's easy to see why.

India unreservedly supports racist Israel and here is what the corrupt warmongering thug Netanyahu recently said about diversity and equality: :Israel is not a state for all its citizens." Go look it up.

India and apartheid Israel are kindred spirits.

India's caste system has been in place for centuries and is still active today. It may no longer have formal legal recognition but it is still perpetuated by the practice of arranged marriages even within your diaspora.

There are also numerous accounts easily available online of Indians subjecting non-Indian, particularly Africans, to open, hostile and violent racism.

If India truly valued diversity it would put it in practice and be like Ireland or Sweden and open its borders to unlimited migration containing the poorest, most unskilled people from Africa, Latin America and other parts of Asia. India's goal would be to make those who identify as ethnically and racial Indian as merely a minor-majority at best within India.

Speaking of Asia and racism here's a true story which I'm sure others have witnessed in varying degrees as well.

I was in a tea shop once and the saleswoman was having a delightful conversation with a male customer about his purchase. She casually asked where he was from. The man said he was from Asia. She asked where in particular and he said China. She smiled and said she was from Asia too and added that India was her home country.

The man paused upon hearing this and told her matter-of-factly that she wasn't Asian! She wasn't pleased to hear this at all. The kind expression on her face immediately changed to disbelief and anger and an argument with raised voices quickly ensued between them.

I, of course, left leaving them to enjoy their diversity.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,376    
  13 Mar 2019  #131
Of course, the only and correct response to the post above is:

Indians are welcome in Poland.
Shitonya Brits    
13 Mar 2019  #132
^ So sayeth the Zionist Jew who abandoned diversity obsessed Britain and now hides in the whitest areas of Poland and only experiences diversity when looking at pictures and videos (much of it **** no doubt) or via anonymous chat.
Spike31 2 | 699    
13 Mar 2019  #133
Until the next Polish right-wing government expulse all non-EU foreigners.

Think about it. Moving across half if the world the world and spending your life savings just to temporary live in Poland without any solid rights to stay in the country.

Would you really like to build your life on uncertainty with unpredicted future for you and your family?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,201    
  13 Mar 2019  #134
The Indians (as well as the Vietmamese) have generally not a bad opinion in Poland. The public would be pretty indifferent to them (given that they do not come in tens of thousands) as they are not perceived as potential terrorists. This opinion doesn't apply to Muslim people who are seen a potential danger and their religion as oppresive and intolerant.
Polonia101    
13 Mar 2019  #135
why would the Vietnamese have a bad opinion? their food is pretty well liked and theyre all over the place, been here for decades actually.

I did find that Vietnamese in Sogos that one night you guys remember that story some months back? And it took another incident fir them to actually fire the guy after i tsttle told on him with a secure email to the sogos manager lol he attacked me.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,201    
13 Mar 2019  #136
why would the Vietnamese have a bad opinion?

I posted the opposite ("have generally not a bad opinion").
mafketis 17 | 6,510    
13 Mar 2019  #137
But they mostly come to do business, not do jobs... Filipinos on the other hand are not very entrepreneurial abroad but are willing workers.

This opinion doesn't apply to Muslim people

IINM in the UK religion matters among immigrants from the sub-continent, Hindus do a lot better overall (in gaining education, contributing to the economy and obeying the law) than do muslims. Can/does the consulate ask about religion? Not so sure about other religions from South Asia...
pawian 143 | 7,217    
  13 Mar 2019  #138
And then we've got doctors, Isn't that enough? What Poland doesn't have (and doesn't need) are

No, it is not enough. If you were a more diligent student at school, you would know that Poland has had a deficit of doctors for decades, Indian doctors are really needed. Besides, Indians don`t deal with terrorism etc.

Next time look up for useful data before you write sth. .
pawian 143 | 7,217    
13 Mar 2019  #139
dissolution of cultural integrity,

What kind of a nationalist are you if you are afraid of dissolution of cultural integrity in Poland? I thought you believed that Poland and Poles are able to accomodate immigrants and encourage them to adapt to Polish culture quickly. Is that the infamous nationalist complex of inferiority?

Until the next Polish right-wing government expulse all non-EU foreigners.

I see your madness is escalating. :) Is it the influence of the forum?

Check it out: dailymail.co.uk

Isn`t it amusing you always write such lengthy posts based on tabloid articles?

you don't go on to explain why it is needed.

Simple. I am tired of seeing/meeting/working/dealing with Caucasian guys everywhere I am. It is so boring. Therefore, I need some racial diversity here because it will be amusing. And you can`t prevent me from supporting it, by any means. :):)
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
13 Mar 2019  #140
Sikhs are from the Punjab, fyi

Which is northern India...

So not Muslim then...

Again, I'm well aware Sikhs aren't Muslims. Nonetheless, there's a lot of people who don't know that including in Poland. They see towel head and assume it's a Muslim.

Example salon.com/2014/12/10/whats_up_with_the_rag_head_when_i_starred_in_a_facebook_ad/

Lot of people don't know the difference, and many do know but dont like either. They see towel head and know it's a foreign element that doesn't want to assimilate and dress like normal westerners do. If he loses the towel it'll significantly reduce the amount of people who stare, crack jokes, won't want to sit next to him on the train, bus, etc.

Vietnamese

Singh_V    
14 Mar 2019  #141
@Dirk diggler Please tell me how do normal westerners dress, what fabric they wear and what colors are mostly used. I'll try to be invisible there just to avoid harassment. But I hope they won't be offended if my breathing pattern is different from them, so will I have to stop breathing if I'm unable to change it!?

@Shitonya Brits You're all over the place on the topic. First, I agree with you that India has caste problem, no denying that.
Secondly, my point still stands even if I change it to India is 'One of the most diverse countries in the world (rank 17th out of 159). You can't outright say I'M LYING lol.

What Indian govt is doing, is not under my control and neither do I support it, so please stop accusing me of it.
All the political bs aside, I just ask you one question, which is back to my main concern, Do you support harassment and violence against people who look different?
mafketis 17 | 6,510    
14 Mar 2019  #142
Please tell me how do normal westerners dress

It's more a question of a negative definition: Usually western men don''t wear dashikis or flowing robes or dhotis or any kind of headgear that's not a hat or cap.

A turban will attract attention in Poland, mostly idle curiosity and among a very, very small portion of the population maybe aggression...
Spike31 2 | 699    
14 Mar 2019  #143
What kind of a nationalist are you if you are afraid of dissolution of cultural integrity in Poland?

It's like saying: so you're such a clean person why are you afraid of letting some dirt into your house? You're such a clean person that it won't even matter. You can clean it anyway. And if you don't it won't even matter since you're such a clean person :-P

You see, I prefer to not get my house get dirty in a first place. And when it gets bit dirty to react quickly before it drown in a state of permanent mess.

Such a nice conversation about spring cleaning we are having today :-)

Is it the influence of the forum?

Poland has only obligations to its own citizens [and the EU migrants as long as we are part of it] so expulsion of non-EU foreigners is just a formality given political will.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,376    
  14 Mar 2019  #145
Do you support harassment and violence against people who look different?

Remember that posters like Spike and "Shitonya" don't actually live in Poland. The latter isn't even Polish, nor does he speak Polish.
Spike31 2 | 699    
14 Mar 2019  #146
My dear Scottish friend @delphiandomine. I'd would like to share with you this happy news that I'm moving back to Poland this summer :-)

My experience from living in the UK and direct contact with "multiculturalism" grounded my belief that a nation-state is the best form of governance.

I will use all the tools and influence available to my humble person to make Poland remain a nation-state.

For that experience, I'm very grateful to the UK and wish them all the best after Brexit, which was the right decision btw.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,649    
  14 Mar 2019  #147
My experience from living in the UK and direct contact with "multiculturalism" grounded my belief that a nation-state is the best form of governance.

but surely you would have known that the UK is not a nation state, before you came? you do know what it means right? How could Poland stop being a nation state? it doesn't make sense. UK hasn't ever been a nation state . Well, not for some centuries anyway.

Google it.

Anyway have a great trip back. Don't let the door bang on your way out xx
Ziemowit 12 | 3,201    
14 Mar 2019  #148
surely you would have known that the UK is not a nation state, before you came?

That's the point. He did know that UK is a "multicultural" state and yet he decided to go there for work. How strange of him!

Roz, you hit the nail on the head again!
Spike31 2 | 699    
  14 Mar 2019  #149
but surely you would have known that the UK is not a nation state, before you came?

Sure, I came for a very well paid job. Yet, I was negatively surprised by the current state of affairs in the UK. The economy is still doing relatively well but I can't say the same about social processes.

And the quality of life depends not only on money but on many different factors of which safety and cultural integrity are one of the most important ones.

UK hasn't ever been a nation state

Nope, but Poland is. And shall remain that way.

That's the point. He did know that UK is a "multicultural" state and yet he decided to go there for work. How strange of him!

Again, theoritical knowledge of something and the first hand experience are two different things. Know I have both: theoretical and practical knowledge of that leftist experiment known as "multiculturalism".
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,649    
  14 Mar 2019  #150
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nation-state

I meant UK has not been a nation state for centuries, because it is a state (UK) made up of four different nations....(England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland)

Anyway, good luck back home. I am glad you did well here.


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