Self-identity is recognized as part of human dignity and personal liberty under international human rights principles
I honestly don't care how you identify. Call yourself a dog and run around the neighborhood barking, if that makes you happy. Doesn't change the fact though that you are NOT a Pole and will never be one. Unless you are one of those "unwanted immigrants", that is.
It sounds like they would be as angry as you are.
According to you they are ethnic Poles. So what are you babbling about?
Poles, Germans, Irish and Italians all came from traditionally homogeneous societies vs. the "melting pot"culture known as the United States of America.
That statement is 100% incorrect. Nation states in Europe have always been a hodgepodge of people from different cultures. Comes with the territory.
Poland will look like Britain in no time, but Sikorski tells Poles not to worry.
Polish deputy PM says EU-India trade deal offers more benefits than risks
Speaking at a news conference after a Cabinet meeting in Warsaw, Sikorski welcomed the agreement, whose negotiations concluded last week after nearly two decades.
But how long before the British trolls of PF scurry off to Hungary to escape diversity - only to turn around and find a Magyar forum where they demand it once again?
Poland's birthrate has collapsed below 1.1 recently, according to GUS. The levels are similar all around Europe. This means dying out at a terrifying pace. That's why we have to invite immigrants. God told us to "be fruitful and multiply" but we decided to ignore his command. Whoever decides to ignore God's commands deserves everything that happens to them. Everything.
Trade deal with India? After the USA decided to turn against Europe, it was obvious that Europe would turn to China and India. Geopolitics 101. I am at a loss why it happened - ask your president, it is probably his 5d chess.
Excellent news. I've yet to meet an Indian in Poland who wasn't polite, respectful and hard-working (although I do need to exclude from that one American whose great-grandparents migrated to New Jersey from India, he was very much American). I very much enjoy working with the Indian chaps who run Warsaw Seva and have been serving all those in need of a hot meal three times a week for nearly ten years. Unfortunately I now can't do it every week (as I used to), so I instead support them financially. The more Indians in Poland the better as far as I'm concerned.
Are those experiences working with Indians working in offices in India or in Poland? I have noticed that the Indians we have working at our offices in Poland are harder working (and slightly quicker on the uptake) than those working at our offices in India. But I suppose that it probably does tend to be the more ambitious and more able Indians who move to the EU.
it's a bad long term idea for Poland and Polish society.
I disagree entirely. There's far far less racism in Poland than there was 30 years ago. I'm convinced that that is because 30 years ago most people in Poland had never even met anybody who wasn't white. Now there are far more people who are clearly from ethnic minorities, which has meant that far more people have had the chance to realise that people from other ethnic groups are fundamentally just people. And also that people from other ethnic groups have some absolutely excellent food. Unfortunately the international food that has spread most widely in Poland is the kebab, but there are least a couple of kebab shops in this area which will knock you up an absolutely awesome curry if you give them a day's notice (as they're run by Indians or Bangladeshis).
- Would Indians (or other migrants from Asia) willingly sign up to serve in the Polish army in case of Russian's aggression?
- Are Indians compatible with the Polish history, culture, and especially religion - would they build or destroy Catholic churches?
- Are Indians going to improve the job market for Polish workers by demanding higher wages than the native Poles get or they would work for less, eventually replacing Polish people?
You think like a rich landlord, but 95% of Poles are not in this position.
They don't destroy Catholic churches. The actions of a group of extremists in India doesn't represent the average, typical Indian migrant.
Would Indians (or other migrants from Asia) willingly sign up to serve in the Polish army
Quite possibly. If they've settled permanently in Poland. They have a great history within the British army so they're not averse to fighting. Read a bit about their contribution to the Allied forces in WW2. And bear in mind they were volunteers.
- Would Indians (or other migrants from Asia) willingly sign up to serve in the Polish army?
I don't know. But I do know that they do far far more voluntary work in Poland than white Catholics who have Polish as their mother tongue.
- Are Indians compatible with the Polish history, culture, and especially religion?
Poland is a secular state. But if you want to ask if Indians would fit in with Polish history, shouldn't you ask whether they would build or destroy Orthodox churches?
the only pro-diversity argument out there....
There's also what people not vastly dissimilar to you used to call miscegenation.
India was a part of the British Empire during the war. Your argument brings little value here. Like saying that Polish highlanders fought for Poland during the war.
Poland is a secular state.
It doesn't mean it has no identity. Some people / the EU want to uproot all the national values so that the masses serve their masters.
You cannot compare today's volunteers or migrants to ones from 100 years ago. 80% of these volunteers were very poor and had no other professional opportunities, so signing up for the British army was a substantial upgrade to their lives. It would definitely not happen in the same way today.
You cannot compare today's volunteers or migrants to ones from 100 years ago.
She isn't.
signing up for the British army
They didn't.
It doesn't mean it has no identity.
For many centuries Poland was a multi-ethnic state in which many languages were spoken as mother tongues. The homogeneous 'Poland' where almost everybody spoke the same mother tongue was very much due to the evil deeds of the Nazis and commie. Some of us think their actions were less than ideal.
@Lazarus As a foreigner in Poland, would you sign up to serve in the Polish military? Why not? I suppose that before the draft notice even reached you, you'd already be at an international airport, sipping coffee with a ticket back to your home country, or to some neutral destination.
Not that I blame you - I'd most likely do the same if I was able to afford that. But be true to yourself and think from other people's viewpoints, too.
As a foreigner in Poland, would you sign up to serve in the Polish military?
Funny you should mention that. I actually wrote to them last year to ask about the recently announced voluntary military training but haven't heard back yet. I'll have to get in touch again. I might be too old for frontline duties, but I can certainly drive a tractor and fly a drone.
draft notice
I'm exempt from the draft for three reasons.
I suppose that before the draft notice even reached you, you'd already be at an international airport, sipping coffee.
Perhaps you'd do better if you didn't judge other people by your own standards? Or did you move back to Poland as soon as you were 18 to join the fight against communism?
The more Indians in Poland the better as far as I'm concerned.
Who the hell do you think you are? You are an immigrant in Poland yourself, you stick to wherever you are and stop meddling. Know your place. We don't need more Indians in Poland, nor any other exotic imports. ---
That's why we have to invite immigrants.
No, we don't. Are you brainwashed? Seek help. ---
There's far, far less racism in Poland than there was 30 years ago.
If that means many brown and black people from every shithole on the planet coming in mass to Poland, reviving old, racist sentiments seems like a good idea. ---
Poland is a secular state.
Poland is a Christian white European country and will stay that way. If you don't like it, move to India and enjoy the company of distinguished Indian gentlemen.
Somebody who chooses to live in Poland and to pay taxes here, i.e. somebody who does things that you have chosen to not do.
Poland is a Christian white European country
I'll give you European, but Poland is most certainly a secular state and one that becomes less white every single day. Perhaps you'd notice that if you even visited here more than once a decade (if that).
Why waste words on elaborate effects when language is a tool for communication?
I do sometimes wonder why I waste words on tools. @ Lazarus
Do you have this habit of talking to yourself? ---
Somebody who chooses to live in Poland and to pay taxes here,
Continue to do it then. Do not try to mold and promote an irreversible change in Poland to turn it into some utopian race-mixing ideal. Your taxes and your residence do not give you that mandate; you are trespassing shamelessly.
No country can function in the long run with 1.1 birthrate.
It's not that with time we will be a 20 million country like Romania, and then a 10 million country like Czechia, and then a 5 million country like Finland. No. 20-10-5 million country with normal age pyramid is a great thing, and I wouldn't mind that for Poland.
The problem is, Iron, that Poland will be much less populous but with inverted age pyramid, with throngs of old people, and increasingly fewer young ones to support them and provide care for them. A huge nursing home before it turns into a huge graveyard.
Unless we accept immigrants.
Because your idea to legally force Polish women to have many more children is retarded, and it is you who should seek help if you're serious about it.
Poland is a Christian white European country and will stay that way.
White? We're not white, we're Slavs. You're not talking to enough Americans online, apparently.
Christian? Like following God's commands, e.g. 'be fruitful and multiply' - that kind of Christian? Or 'let's marry in Church so that granma won't nag and whine" - that kind of Christian? Christian-my-arse... 57% of Poles aged 18-40 have no children at all. That's a majority, and that's how Christian we are.
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