Migration to Poland – An Inevitability

Still very attractive to many Poles.

But the rainbows! How could I forget to mention them - oh, I miss them. You get plenty of rain in Poland and plenty of sunshine, but you don't get them together, so you don't get the beautiful rainbows either :(

The claim by British trolls that diaspora Poles from any generation "would struggle to integrate" is completely backwards - they would never dare make such "warnings" about migrants from Africa, Asia, or the Middle East. Diaspora Poles are inherently closer to Poland than any non-European migrants.

Polonia preserves Poland from afar out of love; migrants in Poland learn only what's necessary to survive, otherwise self-segregating in expat shtetls and hoping they don't get deported.

Essentially, the British trolls want Poland to change so they don't have to. For them, Polonia threatens to keep Poland...Polish.


They suffer from status anxiety.

Take the British trolls, for example. They failed socially, economically, and personally back in Britain, and brought to Poland the only thing they understand: class hierarchy.

Their simplemindedness is limited to believing that Britain ruled the waves and that Poland was a place they had heard of but knew nothing about. So they assume that if they had to leave Britain, surely they must be superior somewhere - like Poland.

So when Poles abroad are treated as a natural priority their fragile imported hierarchy (with themselves placed conveniently at the top) collapses hence all the fear and anger they have been spewing ever since you started this thread.

What the deracinated, class conscious British trolls either don't understand or completely loath is that it's perfectly natural for a country to prioritize its own people first.

But this isn't about excluding others. Indeed, many diaspora Poles returning home are high-net-worth or ultra-high-net-worth individuals. Migrants like the British could still be useful in Poland - as groundskeepers, drivers, butlers, or maids. Since many diaspora Poles are fluent in English, British household staff would receive instructions in their own native language, with no language barrier at all. This arrangement would benefit the British not only economically, but also by giving them the dignity of work while allowing them to continue the familiar, centuries-old tradition of servitude that their ancestors fulfilled back in Britain. It's simply a win-win.


Yes! There's an old Polandball for that!

Before 1921, ethnic Polish immigrants to the US were considered citizens of Prussia/ the German Empire. You want to tell me that their descendants preserved their "Polishness" over 100+ years? Give me a break. Calling yourselves Polish-Americans is the same nonsense as Americans of Italian descent calling themserlves Italian-Americans. There is no such thing except for first generation immigrants. All the rest of you are Americans, and nothing else.

The Immigration Act of 1924 officially limited certain groups such as Sicilians, Eastern Europeans, among them Jews, White Russians, Ruthenians, and Poles, from emigrating to America.

If Senator Henry Cabot Lodge during the late 19th century had his way, only Protestant Northern Europeans, Swedes, Northern Germans, Dutch, and British would have been permitted in.

Yes, actually.

By your logic, Poles who were "considered citizens of Prussia/the German Empire" but didn't immigrate can't be Polish, and Polish communities in modern-day Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine can't be either.

"Polishness" doesn't come from a government-stamped piece of paper or a "thumbs up" on a social media post.

Poland ceased to exist from 1795 to 1918, but that never erased Polish identity.

Communities are what always preserve language, culture, and traditions-through families, churches, local schools, and festivals-generation after generation.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Poles have been immigrating to America continuously since it was founded-for over two centuries. When they arrive, they seek out established Polish communities or start their own. It's constant replenishment. Where do you think they go-communities dominated by Blacks, Hispanics, or WASPs?

Polonia actively helped reconstitute Poland by returning home or by lobbying their host governments, raising funds, and spreading awareness; continued opposing Nazi occupation during WWII; and resisted Soviet control throughout the Cold War. This multigenerational preservation of language, culture, and political activism proves that Polish identity didn't vanish after immigration.

Looks like you were trying to score points but failed miserably, based on your abject ignorance about Poles, Polonia, and Poland. You must be British.

We hate and want to kill absolutely everyone. Do not come here, do not think about working or living here. The cuisine is horrendous, the weather an absolute pain. Just send the relatively few white women you have left, assuming they're young(ish) and slim. There's like 12 of them total now, seriously, you won't feel a difference.

Marrakesh, pay no attention to his babbling.

Keep telling that yourself. If you still call yourself a "Polish-American" after four or five generations in the country instead of simply "American", then something is seriously wrong with you. People label you guys Plastic Poles for a reason.

If, after four or five generations, they still feel an affinity with Poland and have preserved their love for the culture and customs of the old country, it is all the more admirable.


This is never used in relation to diaspora Poles who are patriotic and proud of their heritage, but rather about those whose national identity is diluted or merely performative - definitely not the case of hypothetical migrants Poloniusz was talking about.

Once again, you show how little you understand. Clearly, you have no heritage to be proud of, while Poles do.

Ethnic identity doesn't expire just because someone's family has lived somewhere else for generations.

Poles are a unique ethnic group and a nationality, indigenous to Europe.

Americans are a nationality and civic identity, not an ethnic group - only Native Americans claim to be indigenous.

British were historically an ethnic group, indigenous to the British Isles, now largely multiethnic.

Jews are a motley ethnoreligious group, indigenous to the Middle East, with longer periods of time spent in Egypt and Babylon than in the Levant, Europe, or elsewhere.

So if the existence of a multigenerational Polish diaspora offends you, that's not anyone's problem - it's yours.

Next time you find the courage to post, show your crusading efforts against all the other ethnic and ethnoreligious groups first.

Some have. Maybe not quite the same as modern Polish reality but so what? Diaspora communities keep some old traditions and why shouldn't they?


This is generally a very good thing. Did you know that there are still a couple of Polish-speaking villages in Romania?

Before WW2 there was a considerable Polish emigration to Romania from Galicja.

There was one Polish-speaking village in Turkey (Polonezkoy/Adampol) but these days Turkish language is dominant there.

I remember talking with a Romanian who mentioned the Romanian soccer player with the last name Grzelak (I forget the pronunciation he used but it wasn't anything like Polish).


Some years ago I remember a tv interview with a young woman from the village. Turkish accent but very understandable.

Quite a few people forget that interbellum Poland was not a pleasant place for some of the people who lived there.


A few did, because they weren't cowards and wanted what was best for Poland, but the vast majority stayed where they'd run too (or where their parents or grandparents had run to). That's one of the many reasons such 'Polish' Americans aren't wanted here now. Along with what could be referred to as cultural differences (if 'Polish' Americans had any), things such as arguing that it's perfectly acceptable for masked government thugs to hold down peaceful protesters and then execute them.

@Marrakesh, to be technically "American", you'd have to be Native American, not European or Caucasian-American! Last time I checked, Poland is in Europe, no?

Normal people assimilate after two or three generations at the most and are proud of their home country. On the other hand there are some confused hyphen people in the greater Chicago area who still pretend to be Poles after well over a century. Plastic Poles. Not normal.


You are mistaken, and I will give you a simple example from outside your county line. Ask any descendant of those Polish workers that moved to the German
Ruhrgebiet area in the late 1800s if they still feel your imaginary eternal flame of holy Polish ethnicity burning in their soul. They will laugh you out of the room. If you're lucky.


Interesting take. Your precious Polish ethnicity is simply the product of colonization by a multitude of outside groups. You are mongrels, just like everybody else. So who are you to tell the people of the U.S. that they are still "only" a civic identity after 250 years but not an ethnicity?

Ethnicity is defined as "the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common descent or cultural background." What's the difference between Poland and the USA if you leave out the first and maybe second generation of immigrants? If you were born in the US and grew up there, you and your kids have the same cultural background. If your grandfather came from Poland and your father was born in the US, but married a woman from Mexico, your Polish ethnicity has been watered down already significantly. What about the grandchildren of this couple? Ethnic Poles, ethnic Mexicans or ethnic USA'sians? Ethnicity is hot air. It disappears over time and is replaced with nationality.

Not comparable though to Poles historically being ethnic Slavs, Spaniards ethnic. Latins etc. is it.

§6010. "United States person" defined

As used in this chapter, the term "United States person" means any United States citizen or alien admitted for permanent residence in the United States, and any corporation, partnership, or other organization organized under the laws of the United States.

uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title22-section6010&num=0&edition=prelim

Statement appearing in all U.S. passports regarding nationality and citizenship:




Self-identity is recognized as part of human dignity and personal liberty under international human rights principles and, in the United States, is protected by law.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Freedom of association is enshrined by Universal Declaration of Human Rights in Article 20:
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

U.S. Constitution, First Amendment

Freedom of Speech & Assembly (U.S. Law)

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble.


It sounds like they would be as angry as you are. You must be German.

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Poles, Germans, Irish and Italians all came from traditionally homogeneous societies vs. the "melting pot"culture known as the Divided, 'scuse me, United States of America.

We're an amalgm of different backgrounds and traditions. Europe is one continent consisting of numerous separate cultures and ethnicities.

During the Austro-Hungarian Empire, various nationalities were to be sure living practically one on top of the other. Nonetheless, it was scarcely a United States of Europe, much to Metternich's and others' disappointment.

@Lyzko

What is the purpose of your posts?

Did you successfully defecate? Do you feel a lowering of bowel pressure?

Less gastrointestinal discomfort?

Higher dopamine levels?

If you understand English sans the aid of Google translate, the purpose should be crystal clear to anyone with sufficient gray matter!

Can you remind us which US law requires US courts to enforce the UDHR?

Oops. Sorry, I forgot who I was directing a question to. For that individual a different kind of post is appropriate:

Let's not paste the Internet here.

# **Why United States Courts Do Not Enforce the Universal Declaration of Human Rights** (use AI to find out).
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## **X. Conclusion**

U.S. courts do not enforce the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for a constellation of interlocking reasons:

* It is **not a treaty** and was never ratified by the Senate.
* It was designed as an **aspirational declaration**, not enforceable law.
* Enforcing it would violate **constitutional structures**, including separation of powers and federalism.
* It lacks **self-executing language** and implementing legislation.
* Judicial precedent consistently rejects its enforceability.
* American legal culture prioritizes **constitutional rights over international declarations**.

This refusal does not mean the United States rejects human rights. Many UDHR principles are already embedded in constitutional law, statutes, and judicial doctrine. But U.S. courts enforce those rights **because they are American law**, not because they appear in an international declaration.

Ultimately, the UDHR's power lies not in judicial enforcement but in its moral authority and political influence. In the U.S. legal system, ideals must be translated into enacted law before courts can act. Until Congress or the Constitution gives the UDHR domestic legal force, **U.S. courts will continue to respect it - but not enforce it**.

I understand the English language at a high level, and do not require the aid of computer programs.

I still cannot understand what you want to say, and why you write.

What can you advise for a person in my specific situation?

@Lazarus, birthright citizenship is what is at issue here. Basic American freedoms are being called into question, among them search and seizure, are gov't. agencies over-extending their authority etc.

What do I recommend, Bobko? Learn to think clearly and not.play the Devil's Advocate.

You absolute turd...

You will advise me on how to think clearly?!?!

Perhaps you might put slightly more effort into your writings?

You are the most retarded author on this platform. Nothing you write adds any material to the discussion.

Even outright mongoloids write better posts than you.

What gives?

You are a Jew, no? Shouldn't you be smarter?

@Bobko

Bobko, Bobko...allow me to answer for Lyzko:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=IDR9el9UeyA

I just want to add that - Lyzko you are the stupidest Jew I know.

You are no credit to your nation, or to any other nation besides.

You are as dumb as the dumbest Slav here - perhaps more so - and that's an achievement.

You are a stupid Jew, and this is no antisemitism.


Damn, so now we have Norm AND BREUER in common?

@Bobko

Well, gentlemen of a certain high quality share the same taste.