Migration to Poland – An Inevitability

@Lazarus
Americans have AI technology that Poland will be forced to buy to keep up with the world. It's not a good news for workers, though.

Firstly, nope. Have you seen the mismatch between what firms are spending on AI and what they're getting in return?
Secondly, what does that have to do with migration to Poland?

The AI bubble will eventually and temporarily burst, but then it will produce much more than people can imagine. Remember the dotcom bubble and what happened next.
You say Polish-Americans are obese, but they may be better equipped with using the latest technologies.

I can attest that Torq tried. He has served as an exemplary ambassador of Poland. He didn't fail miserably like he said-just easier to make a living in the USA than Poland. In Poland I would have had to travel across the European continent for the job prospects opened to me over there.

No, I said that more than 40% of Americans are obese. I don't have any data about obesity levels in Polish-Americans.


They may. Or they may not. Either way, we need healthy and hard-working people to come to Poland and Americans are, on average, neither of those things.

In that case, Poland may especially need fertile people (African, Hispanic, and Indian nations typically meet this criterion).

Agreed!


True, as long as they are not Muslim, that is fine!

You're absolutely right.



"Dark factories" (also called "lights-out manufacturing") are fully automated facilities where robotics, AI, and IoT enable production with minimal to no human presence-often running 24/7 in literal darkness to cut energy costs and boost efficiency. They mark the height of industrial automation, requiring only occasional remote oversight or quality checks from humans.


No surprise the bedsit Luddite Anglo boomer with a BAME fetish is so clueless. It's not just China's dark factories running pitch-black 24/7. Tesla's North American Gigafactories already hit 90-95% automation, and Europe's Siemens/Philips lines barely let humans in for tea.

Yet the substance-soaked Anglo boomer brain - marinated in decades of beer and denial - still insists we need mass migration from the Third World to fill factory jobs that AI-powered robots and smirking corporate boardrooms already laugh off.

It's lights out for you too, bedsit Brit. You'll just have to go cope in the dark.

Last time I checked the data, the was no connection between ethnicity or national and infertility, so Poland can welcome as migrants all people who are willing to work hard and do their bit to make a better Poland.


I've done quite a bit of voluntary work alongside Muslims who are excellent assets for Poland. I'd certainly welcome more like them here.

Like every group of people there are good ones and bad ones.

I'd say you have been very lucky.

Many Muslims sympathise with the extremists but keep their mouths shut because they are enjoying life in the west.
I'd say it is a silent majority.

Fcuk me you must be a mind reader, the Michigan mystic has competition.

Based on the Muslims I've known, it's the complete opposite. I've never heard any of them say even a single word that could be in any way interpreted as support for extremists (which is not something I can say about, for example, Irish people - from both sides of the divide - in the 1980s and 1990s). There's a lot of hatred there for the extremists, because the extremists do nothing more than make the lives of average Muslims much harder. Which is one of the reasons I'm fine with Muslims migrating to Poland.

If you actually look at where extremists/terrorists try to recruit, it's not among those enjoying life in the west. Instead they look to the disaffected, those who can't cope with modern life, those who are too stupid and selfish to make it in the world. Probably third or even fourth generation on from the immigrants. Basically they're looking for people like our friend Poloniusz. Although I guess they'd want people less lazy and morbidly obese than him. In the same way that Poloniusz knows sweet f*ck all about Poland but tries to claim a Polish identity because then he can blame other people discriminating against him for being Polish (when in reality he's widely shunned because he's a vile fat c*nt who doesn't have a working knowledge of soap), the extremists want the disaffected youths who have a Muslim background.

So, provided that Muslim immigrants are given the same level of support that's given to other people in Poland, we won't see creatures here such as the Muslim version of Poloniusz and your fears about Muslim immigrants here supporting extremists won't become reality.


Aren't you a clever boy: you managed all by yourself to ask ChatGTP what a cheap apartment is called in the UK! How did things go at Walmart? Did you get the job? A few months of pushing trolleys and the weight will just fall off you, you'll weigh less than 400lbs in no time!

I wouldn't. My point was that culturally Polish-Americans are American, not Polish. Eating pierogi a couple of times a year doesn't make you Polish.
Don't know who you were hanging out with but that's not an accurate reflection of public opinion in Ireland at that time, not in the Republic anyway. Barney could speak for the North. I'd say there was an understanding of what had lead to the violence but that's not the same as supporting it. People abhorred it for the most part and wanted to see peace.

I would agree entirely with you on both those points. Them being culturally American is one of the many reasons Poland is best off without them.


Neither does having a great-great-grandmother who was more likely Tutejszy than Polish anyway, as our friend Ukrainiusz so well demonstrates.


I'd entirely agree with you about what public opinion was then. But can you honestly say that you never then met anybody from either side of The Troubles who said even so much as a single word that could be interpreted as supporting the extremists?

Well, many members of my own family were in the old IRA/Irish Volunteers and they certainly didn't support the actions of the Provos. But we did pray for the hunger strikers, in particular Bobby Sands, not just at home, but in school too, at school assembly, But it was prayer that they would give up the strike, prayers for peace and prayers that the British government would compromise in some way.

Couldn't agree more.But I would argue that Polish-Brits are not the same...... we are much closer to our roots.Most Polish-Americans are third, fourth or even fifth generation.

Most of us British Poles, of my age,are second generation, even my kids are only third generation.

Poles and Polonia have been immigrating to and living in America for over two centuries, building communities and raising generations. They just live normal lives. They have very stable families, good jobs, their kids are doing well in school, and they maintain strong ties to Poland, taking regular trips back and forth and keeping the Polish language, culture, and traditions alive. Many even have higher degrees and better incomes than the local average. Basically, they've transplanted life in Poland without losing a thing. If they ever returned to Poland, the transition would be virtually seamless, bringing value through their education, skills, experience, and significant financial wealth - much to the chagrin of the average bedsit Brit or Irish housewife.

Meanwhile, over in the UK and Ireland, it's a dystopian nightmare. Poles who made the mistake of going there decided to go native - and in the worst ways: children like Sebastian Kalinowski and Daniel Pełka were savagely tortured and murdered by their own families, while others struggle with sky-high rents, low wages, unemployment, crime, homelessness, and the constant stress of surviving in places that were never genuinely welcoming to them. Many Poles there are now fleeing back to Poland or across the Atlantic to Canada or the U.S.

And, of course, the out-of-work, housebound British and Irish trolls of PF sit online, smug and self-important, fatuously grading who's really Polish - as if they had the slightest clue. They aren't Polish, never will be, and yet they happily assign themselves the role of cultural arbiters. It would be almost impressive in its audacity if it weren't so laughably pathetic.

Well said, Poloniusz!

Polish-Americans are precisely the kind of immigrants that Poland needs: educated, hard-working, Christian, socially conservative and still very much patriotic despite the fact of living abroad for several generations. That's why I put them in the second category out of five of most desirable immigrants after Poles who left temporarily after our EU accession.


It is indeed sometimes quite irritating how certain people from the West think it is their place to lecture us and talk to us in a condescending manner from a position of superiority. They can be 100% sure that the effect of this on Poles will be exactly the opposite to the one they hoped for. :)

LOL! You want those crazy MAGA chumps in your country? Please, take them all. They are yours, for free.

But they are Americans, a totally different mentality to Poles.No, they would be useless in Poland.

They could assimilate, if they chose to...much like the Jews in centuries gone by.

Nah, Jews would be welcomed than Yanks.

Hope you're right.
Have to touch base with my current contacts in Poland.

And when did you last visit either of those countries? Incidentally, have you visited Poland??


You're a different kettle of fish entirely. You're the perfect balance of the best of pre-war Poland and the best of post-war Britain.

@Torq

Get away up the yard, you big eejit!

They may well have all those attributes but If they're not first generation Poles returning, then they're going to have language problems. I doubt very much that they know much Polish beyond a few words here and there. They're going to struggle to find work.

I know quite a few British Poles and most of them can't speak any Polish.

:D

Aaah, I do miss Ireland sometimies. Grand old country. Actually, I haven't visited since we left in 2008. Gotta go to Dublin sometime, see what changed in the... almost 20 years now. 0_0 How the time flies!


Don't be so ridiculous, Fen, it will come back to them. It's in their genes.

"Oh, my heart is weary all alone
And it sends a lonely cry
To the land that sings beyond my dreams
And the lonely Sundays pass me by

Agus och, och Éire 'lig is ó
Éire londubh is ó
Ah, the Quiet Land of Erin"


I wish I could take you back to the Dublin of my childhood :) Was Dancing Mary still around when you were there?? She was the very elegant blonde lady who used to dance and sing all day for Our Lady on the crossing opposite North Earl Street and Clearys. She had the rosary beads in her hand. You'd remember her if you ever saw her.

If you go back Torq, please try to see some of the wonderful places outside Dublin. With your religious proclivities you simply have to visit Clonmacnoise and the Rock of Cashel amongst others.

Btw on the same theme, I think this will interest you:

rte.ie/news/leinster/2026/0123/1554627-uncovered-human-remains-offaly/

"Lemanaghan is already recognised as one of Ireland's most significant archaeological landscapes, encompassing an early monastery, a unique surviving oratory, a medieval togher, medieval shrine, holy wells, cross slabs and internationally important relics."

A local woman Aoife Phelan was the one found the remains on her annual visit to the site for the feast day of St Manchán.

"The discovery feels like a message from our ancestors," said Ms Phelan."It is a moment when a sacred landscape has spoken again, revealing that Lemanaghan still yields the secrets of a deeply rooted past. They have quite literally lifted their heads from the earth after 1,300 years, and to do so on St Manchán's feast day is astonishing," she added.

😭


If you did I would most likely stay forever. I am still in love with your country, 18 years after coming back to Poland.

I never saw Dancing Mary nor visited the places you mention (thank you for the recommendations!). We spent most of our time in Rathmines (we lived in Cowper Downs and then Grosvenor Square), City Centre and Dun Laoghaire. We visited Howth, Newgrange and Glendalough but to be honest we spent most of our 3 years there working our arses off, doing a lot of overtime and stuff. We were young, still in our 20s, and wanted to earn money for our own flat in Poland, without the customary 25-year mortgage. Ah, well... that's life.

If we returned now as tourists, we would take our time, slow our pace, and savour Ireland as one savours a fine bottle of wine.

*goes to talk to the missus about plans for our summer holidays*

I selected those because of you being a bit of a Holy Joe ;) When JP II visited Ireland he particularly requested to see Clonmacnoise and that was the place where he shed a few tears, overcome with the emotion of being a place of such significance for the spread of Christianity throughout Europe. Of course if you just want beautiful coastline, wild empty beaches etc. you're spoiled for choice. The further west you go, the more Gaelic the culture becomes which is lovely.

Rathmines .............. you'll perhaps remember the clock outside the Swan Centre on the Rathmines Road that never showed the right time! That and the smell of fish and chips from Leo Burdocks and the trundle of the bus down over the Portobello Bridge and into town.

Dun Laoghaire .......... went to the College of Art there :)

Howth ............ spent many of my Sundays as a teenager doing the scramble up from the harbour to the summit in all weathers. Lived off the coast road near Clontarf so the road along there out to Sutton and Howth was our weekend playground. We used to walk all the way out from Clontarf to Howth and up to the summit. Setting off in the wintry sunshine of a December afternoon full of energy, fortified by the Sunday roast, and crawling back in the freezing cold and darkness at six o'clock, weak with hunger!

Glendalough ........... that was the last place I lived before coming back to Poland ten years ago, about ten minutes from Glendalough. It's a wonderful location, woods, mountains, coastline. I really miss the sheep and the cows, and the bluebells in spring and the gorse coming into bloom in February, and the beauty of the sunrise over the sea commuting in on the train to Dublin where I was teaching.


I'm glad your hard work paid off. And I do hope you get a chance to visit Ireland again.

You'd better stop, Atch, or this thread will shift from immigration to Poland to emigration to Ireland.


Thank you, and thank you for your posts - they transported me 20 years back and I enjoyed it. A lot.