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How many Jewish people live in Poland?


Lyzko
13 Jun 2011 #61
Googling is superfluous! Any number between fifty-one hundred (or over) is not considered isolated or random killing, the last time I checked-:)
Bzibzioh
13 Jun 2011 #62
You are free to any definition you like. But it's also my prerogative to pass the judgment on your definition.
Lyzko
13 Jun 2011 #63
In addition, Bzibzioh, if no more than THREE (3) Jews were murdered by post-War Europeans, that's already three too many, let's please not argue stats, ok? It's not about the numbers, but the ideology that led to whole thing in the first place!

Pass whatever judgments you wish, the truth will out!
michaelmansun 11 | 135
13 Jun 2011 #64
You saw too many Hollywood movies.

No, I don't watch movies. I read books. You do know how to read? A lot of what I read is the Jewish account, the Polish account, and the neutral account. This is more of a neutral account.

One of the meanest of modern historical controversies surrounds the conduct of the non-Jewish population
towards the Nazis’ Final Solution. Some Jewish writers, whether scholars or novelists such as Leon Uris,
have spread the view that the Poles actually rejoiced at the fate of the Jews or at best were indifferent
‘bystanders’… Both sides in the controversy overlook the realities of life under the Nazi Terror, which was
so much fiercer and more protracted in Poland than anywhere in Europe. To ask why the Poles did little to
help the Jews is rather like asking why the Jews did nothing to assist the Poles. Stories of individual
gallantry, though real enough, vastly exaggerated the opportunities for chivalry which actually existed. In a
world where immediate death awaited anyone who contravened Nazi regulations, the Nazis could always
exact a measure of co-operation from the terrified populace.

The truth is simple. Some Poles hated Jews and helped the Germans kill them. Some helped the Jews. And some were indifferent and just wanted to survive the war in seclusion if possible.

Overall, I have to say that Jews do not seem to get along well with anybody. For whatever reason, Jews are persecuted eventually just about everywhere they go. Now, as an individual, I have to say that if I made the same claim, that I am persecuted wherever I go, then maybe it is my problem. Maybe there is something about me I need to change.

With that, I leave the subject.
Bzibzioh
13 Jun 2011 #65
the truth will out!

Newsflash for you: It's hardly a secret from the beginning. Shocking, I know.

You do know how to read?

You would do well not to patronize me.

Jews are persecuted eventually just about everywhere they go.

No, they are not.
legend 3 | 659
13 Jun 2011 #66
For whatever reason, Jews are persecuted eventually just about everywhere they go.

Bull****. Thats what.

Where did you learn this crap anyway? Do you think Jews are innocent and only suffer from persecution by others?
Do you know that a good portion of Jews are treated well around the world.
Here in Canada they are like lords. Same thing in places in the US like New York.
Same thing in the stolen land, Palestine.

You say one negative thing you will get fined and imprisoned.

The Jews in Iran for example are not persecuted as well.

Why am I still where?

That was directed at Harry.
There is a quote right before that statement.
RobertLee 4 | 73
13 Jun 2011 #67
In addition, Bzibzioh, if no more than THREE (3) Jews were murdered by post-War Europeans, that's already three too many, let's please not argue stats, ok? It's not about the numbers, but the ideology that led to whole thing in the first place!

Now tell me please how many non-Jewish Poles were killed in years 1945-1956 in Poland. And by the way, can you check what was the percentage of Jews employed in Polish communist oppression apparatus?
Lyzko
13 Jun 2011 #68
The difference is there never was an all-out biological/ideological war against Polish gentiles! Fact is, Hitler wanted to enslave the Slavs, not exterpate them from the face of earth, every man, woman and child MERELY because of what they are! Slavs were alowed to live, only so long as they remained subservient to the German pecking order. Ther Jews were offered no such possibility! That the Jews were so demonized, you can thank the Catholic Church for that-:)
Des Essientes 7 | 1,288
13 Jun 2011 #69
That the Jews were so demonized, you can thank the Catholic Church for that

Are you sure that usury had nothing to do with the demonization of Jews in Poland?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
13 Jun 2011 #70
I think the rampant nationalism of the 2nd RP had far more to do with it.

Poland was hardly unique in those times.
Harry
13 Jun 2011 #71
Are you sure that usury had nothing to do with the demonization of Jews in Poland?

Don't forget about the Jewish habit of making bread with the blood of Christian children in it.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,288
13 Jun 2011 #72
This is a myth. Do you claim usury is as well?
David_18 66 | 969
13 Jun 2011 #73
Don't forget about the Jewish habit of making bread with the blood of Christian children in it.

Is that something your mother told you while telling you goodnight stories?
Harry
13 Jun 2011 #74
This is a myth.

It's libel actually, and one repeated in the church in Poland to this very day.
legend 3 | 659
13 Jun 2011 #75
Repeated in the church in Poland? Are you paranoid?
Never heard it.

Its probably a myth and 0.0001 percent of people might make a joke about it.
widmo
13 Jun 2011 #76
Harry:
Don't forget about the Jewish habit of making bread with the blood of Christian children in it.

This is a myth. Do you claim usury is as well?

It was British propaganda dating to the 13th century or earlier regarding passover. I doubt H meant it sincerely.
Torq
13 Jun 2011 #77
It's libel actually, and one repeated in the church in Poland to this very day.

:-)

You didn't actually mean what you've just written, Harry, did you?
Harry
13 Jun 2011 #78
Repeated in the church in Poland?

Yes.

You didn't actually mean what you've just written, Harry, did you?

You should take a trip down to Sandomierz and check it out for yourself. Nice town that place, pity about the church.
RobertLee 4 | 73
13 Jun 2011 #79
Repeated in the church in Poland? Are you paranoid?

He is.
Last time I had to attend a catholic mass in Poland (funeral), the priest said something about "our brothers Jews". The pries who taught us "religion" at primary school, spoke very highly of Jews as well. They were disconnected from reality probably.
Harry
13 Jun 2011 #80
He is.

I see you're lying yet again.
Torq
13 Jun 2011 #81
You should take a trip down to Sandomierz and check it out for yourself. Nice town that place,
pity about the church.

Which parish?

I will indeed investigate that, because if it's true, it will make headlines of all main
newspapers in Poland (Gazeta Wyborcza surely won't miss a story like that :-)).
Harry
13 Jun 2011 #82
Which parish?

Saint Paul's. But there really is no story there.
wielki pan 2 | 250
13 Jun 2011 #83
There was and is no difference. It was just that the Jews controlled a great deal of the apartments and commerce. If the Poles did, they would have behaved the same way. Jews were an easy target because they were collected and identifiable.

Yours is a good post, thats right the jews owned the buildings and the poles the streets, if the muslims were the jews in this example the muslims would have been disliked. I's ok to dislike the arabs/british/us etc but its a no no to dislike the jews, political correctness is it.
PolskiMoc 4 | 323
14 Jun 2011 #84
If you count Poles with partial jewish ancestry? The number would probably be quite high. I bet in the hundred thousand + range
1jola 14 | 1,879
14 Jun 2011 #85
Now tell me please how many non-Jewish Poles were killed in years 1945-1956 in Poland. And by the way, can you check what was the percentage of Jews employed in Polish communist oppression apparatus?

This is a blank spot for most of the posters here. Right after the war, the returning Jews found excellent career opportunities in the Stalinist state terror administration and thus the description for the new government - Jewcommune. Understanding this period is essential. Any Jedwabne, pogroms, real or imaginary, put all together pale to the terror, torture, and executions of Poles at the hands of Jewish prosecutors and judges. This deserves its own thread.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
14 Jun 2011 #86
. Any Jedwabne, pogroms, real or imaginary, put all together pale to the terror, torture, and executions of Poles at the hands of Jewish prosecutors and judges. This deserves its own thread.

Remind me, since when did the Catholic religion practice revenge as a principle?

Anyway, what was Poland's excuse in Lwów?

And please, don't forget, that many Poles supported such "Jewish terror".
Harry
14 Jun 2011 #87
Anyway, what was Poland's excuse in Lwów?

And a good number more places than just there!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148
14 Jun 2011 #88
Anyway, what was Poland's excuse in Lwów?

What Poland did there ?
Bzibzioh
14 Jun 2011 #89
Remind me, since when did the Catholic religion practice revenge as a principle?

Who is talking about revenge? Not Jola.

delphiandomine:Anyway, what was Poland's excuse in Lwów?

What Poland did there ?

Nothing. Dophead is changing the topic to something more convenient.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
14 Jun 2011 #90
What Poland did there ?

Poles murdered Jews and Ukrainians for the crime of being Jewish/Ukrainian civilians.

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