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Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist


spiritus 67 | 664
9 Mar 2017  #151
I suppose it depends on WHERE you live Spiritus and on your personal experience.It's a diverse country.

Agreed but if you live in an area where there is high immigration then presumably that makes you more qualified to discuss the merits and issues associated with immigration then someone who thinks they know better than you from watching the news or reading a newspaper.

Everything in life is subjective. If you live on the north pole you're unlikely to find immigration much of a problem. If you live in the leafy avenues of Windsor, St Annes, and hundreds of other places in the UK then you may also wonder what all the fuss is about. However, if you happen to live in the larger conurbations, Leicester, Birmingham, Blackburn, Bolton, London etc then the problems (which are real problems) will hit you in the face.

And let's be clear about this and I'd like to echo Lyzko's comment as he is 100% correct

Asians never really have and those from Third-World Muslim countries seem not to at all, public relations aside.

In other words, muslims are not very successful at integrating into western societies.

It always saddens me to see that a significant chunk of anti-immigrant sentiment comes from areas where immigration has been relatively small

Right. So it saddens you if someone has a negative view of muslim immigration who comes from an area where immigration has been small BUT if someone has a negative view of muslim immigration who comes from an area where immigration is high then you accuse them of "fear and impotent rage". At what point do you consider someone's else counter-opinion ? Only when it falls in line with your own ideas ?
OP johnny reb 17 | 3,879
9 Mar 2017  #152
All throughout Europe a new reality is rising...... entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen.
And if they are, they might regret it.
This goes for the police as well.
It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children.
Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead.
With mosques on many street corners.
Edited...please don't copy and paste long articles from other websites
How can you people here not see Europe crumbling and have the audacity to call me a racist.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,679
9 Mar 2017  #153
All throughout Europe a new reality is rising...... entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen.

You don't live here and haven't been here, how would you know this?
OP johnny reb 17 | 3,879
9 Mar 2017  #154
how would you know this?

By paying attention, you, well you are one of those that are blind yet still sees.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils.
In once tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims.
Non Muslim women routinely hear Wh - ore , Wh - ore !
edited..
Poland is smart enough to see this and wants no part of it.
How could one deny that Europe is not crumbling is my question to you.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,679
9 Mar 2017  #155
In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system.

There's no such thing as the "British" legal system.

Hard to take the rest of your post seriously if you're making such elementary mistakes.
mafketis 20 | 7,331
9 Mar 2017  #156
There's no such thing as the "British" legal system.

You don't have a consitution and you don't even have a legal system? What kind of pathetic excuse for a country do you have there anyway?
spiritus 67 | 664
9 Mar 2017  #158
There's no such thing as the "British" legal system.

Why not ? Because you proclaim it is so ?

Please elaborate as to why you claim there is no such thing as a legal system in Britain..............I'll get the popcorn
jon357 63 | 14,134
9 Mar 2017  #159
Why not ?

Think about it Spiritus, even try google, though anyone who is or claims to be British and thinks such a thing as a 'British legal system' exists now or at any time in the past is probably not quite clever enough to figure out how to do that.

I'll get the popcorn

Better take a few elementary lessons on life, politics and the legal systems in the U.K.

At what point do you consider someone's else counter-opinion ? Only when it falls in line with your own ideas ?

Ah, so on a discussion forum we can only express other people's views. Interesting...
Harry
9 Mar 2017  #160
Why not ? Because you proclaim it is so ?

Because the Queen says so. Feel free to educate yourself about the basics.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,679
9 Mar 2017  #161
Think about it Spiritus, even try google, though anyone who is or claims to be British and thinks such a thing as a 'British legal system' exists now or at any time in the past is probably not quite clever enough to figure out how to do that.

My, looks like our friend here needs to get some basic lessons on British culture, given that it's the most basic of basic facts that there is no such thing as the British legal system.
spiritus 67 | 664
9 Mar 2017  #162
Johnny Reb made the following claim:-

"In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system." It's not an outlandish claim to make and is rooted in fact. Source: telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html

Instead of debating the claim that Johnny made, Delphian chooses to focus on the term "British legal system" thereby choosing to ignore the point that Johnny was making and instead taking him to task and claiming there is no such thing as a British legal system.

Think about it Spiritus, even try google, though anyone who is or claims to be British and thinks such a thing as a 'British legal system' exists now or at any time in the past is probably not quite clever enough to figure out how to do that.

Because the Queen says so. Feel free to educate yourself about the basics

My, looks like our friend here needs to get some basic lessons on British culture, given that it's the most basic of basic facts that there is no such thing as the British legal system.

It really depends how pedantic you all want to be and by the looks of it all three of you appear to be VERY pedantic on focusing on an irrelevant detail when the actual point Johnny made was factually correct.

There is no unified legal system in Britain but the legal system within Britain is commonly referred to as the British legal system.
Source: oxford-royale.co.uk/articles/6-ways-british-legal-system-differs.html
Source: independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/law-the-people-that-the-british-legal-system-likes-to-pretend-do-not-exist-1137156.html
Source: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7232661.stm

I hope this helps to illuminate the holy trinity of forum members who may well be three bodies in one.

Have a good night :)
jon357 63 | 14,134
9 Mar 2017  #163
British legal system

No such thing, not ever had been.

irrelevant detail

Not very irrelevant if you're from Scotland or Northern Ireland, is it?

factually correct.

Journalism....

You'll have to try harder, perhaps by telling us what the constitutional basis of this non-existent system is.

sharia court

Very good idea too. There have long been similar things in England and Scotland, the Beth Din, Catholic marriage tribunals. Just shows how well multiculturalism works
Harry
9 Mar 2017  #164
[quoting johnny] In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system

OK now we've all laughed at certain people's ignorance of the United Kingdom, maybe we can address the point that religious courts have been operating there for centuries, just as they have in Poland?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,679
9 Mar 2017  #165
There is no unified legal system in Britain

Thank you. The proof of this is in the way that people in the legal profession cannot easily move between the three separate legal jurisdictions.

Now, perhaps we can move on to the other point that he made, that Sharia Law is now part of the legal systems in use in the UK. As you will be aware from your excellent Google skills, private courts have long been a feature of English law. There are even private divorce courts now, and the use of private courts in business arbitration is long established in England.
jon357 63 | 14,134
9 Mar 2017  #166
private courts

The biggest ones are attached to each Roman Catholic diocese and are mostly concerned with ending marriages - rather like the Islamic ones.

The proof of this is in the way that people in the legal profession cannot easily move between the three separate legal jurisdictions

Some very significant differences, not just geographical.
spiritus 67 | 664
9 Mar 2017  #167
British legal system.No such thing, not ever had been.

Are you denying that the expression "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ? Interesting.......

Not very irrelevant if you're from Scotland or Northern Ireland, is it?

Irrelevant in terms of the point that Johnny was making. Next time, why not focus on someone's spelling or grammar and have a side debate about that rather than the original point being made ? That'll be fun, huh ?

Just shows how well multiculturalism works

Troll.......

OK now we've all laughed at certain people's ignorance of the United Kingdom,

Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?

There is no unified legal system in Britain but the legal system within Britain is commonly referred to as the British legal system.

Thank you

Read the whole sentence-"There is no unified legal system in Britain but the legal system within Britain is commonly referred to as the British legal system"
Harry
9 Mar 2017  #168
Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?

The phrase marital arts is commonly used in the UK, and elsewhere, doesn't make it any less comically wrong than claiming Poland hasn't had religious courts, just like the UK, for centuries.
jon357 63 | 14,134
9 Mar 2017  #169
doesn't make it any less comically wrong than claiming Poland hasn't had religious courts, just like the UK, for centuries.

Exactly, and both are examples of successful multiculturalism.
spiritus 67 | 664
9 Mar 2017  #170
Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?.

That was actually just a "yes" or "no" question Harry my dear boy. Please allow me to repeat it for you. Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?

The phrase marital arts is commonly used in the UK, and elsewhere, doesn't make it any less comically wrong than claiming Poland hasn't had religious courts, just like the UK, for centuries.

If you mean "marital" or "martial" it doesn't really matter as I have no idea what point you are trying to make with this.

Who said that Poland didn't have religious courts ? I'd like to know who made you laugh so much.

You don't live here and haven't been here, how would you know this?

I do live here and I do know. Where do you live again ?
OP johnny reb 17 | 3,879
10 Mar 2017  #171
You don't think the Polish aren't watching what is going on.
Europe is crumbling and Poland wants no part of it.
The Jews in France are running for their lives back to Israel as the invaders in France are life threating as we have seen by their attacks on Jews and Gays.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran.
The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor.
I support Israel.
First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz and second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

Where do you live again ?

With his Polish wife's parents in Poznan.
spiritus 67 | 664
10 Mar 2017  #172
With his Polish wife's parents in Poznan.

I keep asking this question from the "holy trinity" to establish whether they have any direct experience of living in a community where muslims form a significant proportion of the population.

It's a relevant question. To be so emphatic about their opinions on immigration and the impact of it and yet to have had no direct experience of it would explain a lot.

I also find it odd that all three of them are jumping over posts en masse within minutes/seconds of each other and then all three stop posting at the same time. Very curious :)

I wonder if there are any examples of Jon, Harry and Delphian disagreeing with each other on this forum............

Anyway, now that I can see what is going on. Let's focus back on the topic.

Poland is not being racist with it's attitude towards some immigrants. It has seen what is happening throughout Europe and doesn't want to see the same thing happen on it's own soil. Of course, some people will call it racist but that doesn't make it so.
mafketis 20 | 7,331
10 Mar 2017  #173
Exactly, and both are examples of successful multiculturalism.

Just lurvely how it's working out, isn't it?

express.co.uk/news/uk/732064/Sharia-court-told-rape-victim-return-attacker-husband

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8686504/Sharia-a-law-unto-itself.html

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4103918/A-sinister-British-Sharia-court-one-girl-s-tireless-hunt-father-s-killer-brutal-murder-Pakistan-uncovered-revenge-killings-Lancashire.html
spiritus 67 | 664
10 Mar 2017  #174
@mafketis

You're wasting your time. The holy trinity have an agenda they are trying to push onto this forum. However, it is fun proving him/them wrong :)
mafketis 20 | 7,331
10 Mar 2017  #175
The holy trinity have an agenda they are trying to push onto this forum.

Part of that is that they don't want muslims to have equal rights, especially muslim women

Why are they so prejudiced against muslim women?

youtube.com/watch?v=4gZCFdHkd4A
spiritus 67 | 664
10 Mar 2017  #176
Part of that is that they don't want muslims to have equal rights, especially muslim womenWhy are they so prejudiced against muslim women?

Think we may be talking about different things :)

The "holy trinity" is the nickname for my friends, Harry, Delphian and Jon. Three minds in the one body.

Women are considered inferior to men in the muslim community (generally speaking). They don't think they are being prejudiced and the women, to a certain degree, are acquiescent to this cultural suppression of women's rights.

In Saudi Arabia, women are banned from driving because they are women. This type of medieval thinking is one example as to why Islam cannot integrate into western society.
mafketis 20 | 7,331
10 Mar 2017  #177
The "holy trinity" is the nickname for my friends, Harry, Delphian and Jon. Three minds in the one body.

I know. And I meant what I wrote. Nothing indicates that they want equal rights for muslims, especially women.

Sharia courts are a graveyard for womens' rights and supporting them means active hostility towards the idea of any kind of equal protection or equal under the law (But since there's no British legal system I guess law by identity is the order of the day - one law for muslims, anothe for jews, another for christians etc etc etc).

Sharia courts are not very good for equality of muslims in other ways too as they encourage and reinforce ghettoization so that the muslims that they want so desperately to bring to Poland will remain ghettoized and never be competition for them.
jon357 63 | 14,134
10 Mar 2017  #178
Just lurvely how it's working out, isn't it?

Interesting that you've managed to find quotes from the three most right-wing newspapers n that country, one of them so unreliable that even Wikipedia has banned it as a source.
mafketis 20 | 7,331
10 Mar 2017  #179
Interesting that you've managed to find quotes from the three most right-wing newspapers n that country

Is it accurate or not?

Please if you know of any information that discredits those article (other than not liking the source) please feel free to post them here.
jon357 63 | 14,134
10 Mar 2017  #180
It's just sensational journalism intended to play to the fears of reactionary people. I notice little criticism of any of the other religious courts, like the Catholic Marriage Tribunals, also based on the same Bronze Age fairy tales and make-believe.


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