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You, you, you - who is this collective "you"? Are you addressing me? I wasn't raped by a romantic partner and I didn't report what happened to me to the police. Are you addressing women in general? I suspect that majority of women weren't raped by a romantic partner either. So who are you addressing exactly?


What kind of nonsense is this? Are you going to tell me that this is a standard behaviour for NYPD officers?

I am getting tired; you're wearing me out. This is a public forum, so whatever you post belongs to everyone, including me. If you wish to communicate privately, please use email or phone.

Paulina has won.

May I suggest this amazing short video?

...or this one...



Sure beats rape as a subject...

It doesn't "belong" to everyone, it just means you can comment on it if you wish. But there is no logical reason for you to pretend that I was asking you to read the whole discussion if you could see that my post was addressed to BB.


Btw, I'm confused now - can foreigners join the police in the US? o_O I think you can't join NYPD if you're not an citizen, right? 🤔 Or are you an American citizen?

I'm not talking about rapists. We are talking about the noninterference of the state apparatus into internal martial relations.
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You can assume I'm advocating it. After all, I'm a man; they are the worst. You can unlish your feminist, commie nonsense, and while you are at it, seek psychiatric help.
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Really? Oh, the end of the world is here. Paulina on PF will have a bad opinion about me. What am I going to do? Do you hear yourself? Who is narcissistic here? Rhetorical question.
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Every single time, you are too suborn to see it.
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It is clear as day, for you, the distinction between so-called marital rape and rape does not exist. Why are you pretending now?

If we have different outlook on rape we will have a different outlook on who is a rapist.

The whole marital status is a atate creation!
Not to mention it's not state looking for rape in a marriage but a spouse reporting a crime.


Take your own advice man. You clearly need it.

Being nasty and stupid at the same time? Is it because you are a woman, or is it you problem?
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Who chose a husband for a wife? She does, she does it freely, it is basically her choice, so it is only right she faces consequences of her own free choice, that's called adult choice, that is called freedom, and that's why adults and citizens have rights, to choose freely and to live by the consequences of their choices.
If she made a mistake, she can divorce, simply.
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It doesn't mean that a bureaucrat should stay in the same bed with a married couple. Meddling too much and overregulating are bad for everybody.
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Maybe or maybe she wants to get back at her husband for some reason, who knows, those are the most unclear, ambiguous cases. I see it as yet another form of feminism, i.e., communism, utter nonsense, designed to sow discord between people and introduce a totalitarian state.
See, this thread, how effective that policy of discord is.
Also in the meantime, it divorces choices from consequences, and that is solely female privilege, and the men foot the bill.

I apologize if there was any misunderstanding. Are you a medical professional? That raises some suspicions. May I see your credentials? It's important to note that diagnosing someone as sociopathic and psychopathic are not the same. So, which one is it? I believe your insults are unfounded.


The only police officer worth discussing is my hero, John Corey, who deals with foreign traitors on American soil with a swift punch to the groin, diplomats included. :)))

I admire your talent and your ability to overanalyze things to avoid confronting the simple truth. What's the difference between "belongs" and "you can comment"? Just a day ago, you asserted that I had no right to comment on your post's contents simply because you make your own rules-after all, you are a woman.

"I learned from the best, I learned from you" as the song goes.

It doesn't. It also doesn't mean they should ignore abusive situations.


False reporting happens in any crime. Doesn't stop us having laws penalizing it.


Still it doesn't justify a crime.

The husband can do the same if his wife doesn't satisfy his needs. He cannot ,however, force it on her.

What crime? That is the basic right for a man and a woman who are married. If you are going to be difficult about it and play with words, I could say that she refuses him his basic right. However, this is not the crux of the matter; what matters is the fact that a state is not there to solve somebody's personal, marital issues, or mental problems. It costs money and, by definition, is ineffective.

Exactly. The victim's bad judgment does not make an assault legal or less criminal.

A woman may decide to walk naked on Broadway at midnight, and nobody can touch her. Forget raping...

The days of "she was provocative" are over. Some morons tried this argument even with children under 10.

Back to my island...We find your sperm inside a girl under 14, you die the next day.

Hey, stupid (A - another warning), your rights to hurt a woman are the same if she is your wife or a stranger: None. Period.

To me, hurting a person who trusts you is worse.

The ultimate crime: the rape of a child who lives with the perpetrator.

My offer to execute a POS like this still stands.

Hey, simp, you don't even possess reading comprehension ability.
Your generations are at fault, F simps and doormats scewred it for everybody, and even now you are out of touch.
Living in their la-la land.

Of forcing another human being to have sex.


And he can divorce her if his needs are not fulfilled. He can't force her to have sex. Simple, isn't it.


Any crime within family could be dismissed like that.

Do you understand the concept of marriage? Eh? seems to me you can't get it. You prefer, as Paulina obsesses about rape, why don't you leave those dark women fantasies and be realistic for once? Marriage is for people to have sex, that is their right, both agreed on this, what crime are you talking about?
The BS law that was introduced by the commies? Commies by definition like to control and oppress people, if that's your model - congrats.
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He, he, he, is he the only adult in this marriage, is he the only one who is responsible for the relationship to work? If there are no health issues, I don't feel like it do not cut as a valid excuse. Most men would respect it, but what if there is someone who doesn't? Well, woman, roll with it, that is the husband you chose, that consequence of your choice, if you changed your mind, you divorce him, simple. Why is the onus always on men, but all the privileges and excuses are for women?. Did you notice that? I bet not. What can be said only LOL!
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We are not talking about any crime; we are talking about a very specific issue.

BS.

You don't need a marriage license to have sex and make babies.

That document is for only one purpose: To let the government know who the father is. If you are not the father, the burden of proof is on you. Until then, you will be paying for that baby.

BTW, they already know the mother. That's the woman who was moaning in the delivery room.

Marriage is not some kind of form of slavery though. Married people retain their basic human rights and are still subjects to law just like anyone else. Your right to have sex with your wife doesn't supersede her right to not be raped. Your need for sex doesn't override her right to have a bodily autonomy and not being injured and traumatised for life. You're not allowed to beat her and you're not allowed to forcefully have sex to her against her will. The fact that men were allowed to beat and rape their wives in the past is irrelevant. Times have changed (at least in our part of the world). A wife is not an object for you to use as you feel like it. She's not some kind of "sex dispenser." She's a human being and sex should be agreed upon. That means you need her consent and you aren't allowed to force her. Do you disagree with this?

Sex in marriage isn't a right that you can enforce by the means of physical force. Marriage is a voluntary relationship.

Sex is a marital right, but rape isn't a marital right. Sex is mutual and voluntary. Rape is not "sex". It's an assault. Do you understand?


It sure looks like it.


Exactly.

It's not that Ironside doesn't want the state to "meddle." He wants to deprive married women of the right which all women have - to report rape to the police.


That's the crux of the matter. The fact that the woman is your wife doesn't somehow give you a free pass to abuse her. Being married doesn't exempt you from following the law of the country and being a normal, decent human being with empathy towards other human beings.

Not according to this crazy evangelical mofo from the US...

youtube.com/watch?v=hyOFC9LaiL4

No, I already wrote that it's just my personal opinion.


Well, Ironside admitted at some point that it is possible that he's a sociopath. Psychopaths and sociopaths are both classified under antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), so it may be hard to tell. Psychopathy is linked to genetic causes and results in a lack of empathy. But psychopaths can pretend to have empathy. Sociopaths have some limited ability to feel empathy and remorse and sociopathy is more influenced by environmental causes, including traumatic experiences. Sociopaths tend to act more aggressively and erratically, they're more likely to fly off the handle, so based on that I would say that Ironside is closer to a sociopath. But his attitude towards rape in marriage is very disturbing and makes me wonder if he has any empathy at all. He doesn't seem to understand how humans work and that reminds me more of a psychopath. 🤔 So, you could say that I'm in the middle of investigating this issue right now :) 🕵️


For example, if you publish on PF a photo which you took, it doesn't mean this photo "belongs" to everyone. Everyone can comment on it, but it doesn't mean they can claim ownership. As an author of the photo you retain the copyright.


I wrote no such thing, stop lying.

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I wonder what Torq has to say to this - if he agrees.

@Paulina
Do you believe in magic? Do you think that if you are going to repeat certain words, it empowers you with some magical ability to win an argument?
So far, you haven't added anything of value or anything that would constitute an argument.

@Ironside, you're talking nonsense, I have added both value and logical and sensible arguments to this discussion - arguments that you haven't been able to refute. I've also asked you some important questions that you haven't answered so far.


I'm not here to win an argument. I'm stating basic facts while you're making yourself look like some kind of delusional psycho.

That is an empty claim. It is also possible that you feel that way, but that is your problem, which doesn't describe reality. Another possibility is that you lack the intellectual capacity to understand my argument and my point of view and engage it at my level. So you stick to what you know, and that's not much.
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I guess from your limited point of view, those are sensitive arguments.
From my point of view, you are not debating me but trying to impose your worldview and opinion onto me and judge my position by your standards, while you don't understand that what I'm basically doing is questioning your standards and legislation that doesn't seem to have internal integrity. It positions women as a weak party, inferior to men, the minority, in other words, those who need the protection of the state.
I, on the other hand, claim that women are strong and independent individuals who do not need protection, and in the context of the family, i.e., marriage, both males and females are equal but not the same. Hence, if we exclude some pathology or crime circles of the society which are less that 20% of the population, the rest of your ordinary people do not need the state to meddle in the relationship between husband and wife.
I propose that it doesn't help and doesn't solve any issue and real problems because let's be honest here, if there is really sexual malicious violence between married couples, that marriage has serious underlying issues, and no amount of state meddling can help to solve it.
If there are issues and grudges in the marriage, some laws are being used as a tool to get even for one party or another. It is pointless to give such a handle to unbalanced people.
I guess people like you - individuals with an ideological-based approach and limited intellectual capacity - are unable to grasp it. You, as a female, should use your empathy for your family members and children instead of having too much time on your hands and falling into a false sense of empathy when there is no need for it, and where it does more harm than good.

No, it isn't "empty" - it's based on your behaviour.


It's not about "worldview", it's about facts. You're in denial of reality by claiming that there's no rape in marriage. Rapes do happen in marriage, just like other crimes. Even murders happen in marriages. Denying this is denying reality.


Everyone is and should be protected by the state from crime perpetrated by violent individuals. Men, women and children. No matter what their gender, social status or marital status might be. One of those crimes is rape. Btw, it's not only women who get raped. Men also rape other men. Boys rape other boys. Reporting rape to the police doesn't make them "weak."


What kind of stupid nonsense is that? lol What makes someone part of the "pathology" and who are those "ordinary people" according to you? Would you include a lawyer who beat up his disabled wife among the "ordinary people"?:

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Even among the people who seem "ordinary" to you there may be the greatest pathology. That's why everyone is and should be subject to law.

I see whatever I say goes over your head. Must be nice to be a self-righteous misandry hag.

Paulina, you must have your fingers crossed behind your back while making a statment locking a centila if truth.If there is a device that protects from being struck by lightning, purchase one immediately, regardless of the price.

Being strong and independent has nothing to do with it. Men are usually bigger/havier with bigger strenghts.


Noone claimed that law is there to solve the problems in the marriage but rather to protect from sexual abuse and serving justice if that crime have been commited. It recognizes rhat while marriage is sexual relationship in most cases it doesn't give carte blanche. The lack of sexual fullfillment can be a ground for divorce (or annulment ) but not enforcement.


Why should we exclude them? We don't in other matters of law


All laws are subject to abuse. Doesn't stop us to introfuce laws in general.


You are so full of yourself...believe me, people can grasp your points and still disagree with you.