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No, you don't, you don't know me, you are simply stupid, that's all.
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I know because you talk a lot about issues you have no idea about.
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Geez, typical logical fallacy.
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What's my attitude, pray tell? I guess you have some girl fantasy of what I said, not what I said. Marital rape is a feminist creation - simple.

Every normal person would be sympathetic towards a victim of sexual abuse, especially if the perpetrators were family members.


Your family would have to trust you enough first to tell you such stuff.


Because there are husbands who rape their wives:

express.co.uk/news/world/2180922/man-raped-wife-anal-sex

There is even a husband in France who not only raped his wife but also helped other men to rape her - the husband of Gisèle Pelicot. Did you hear about this case, you sick f*ck? The police shouldn't also "meddle" in that case, according to you?

Yes, I do.

It's funny that you're in denial about this.


I know enough.


No, it's just you talk nonsense.


Saying that you don't know if any woman or girl in your family was abused or sexually harassed isn't "logical fallacy." It's just stating a fact.


That husbands are allowed to rape their wives.

It tells me one thing: you are not married, and you never were married. I don't want to guess where your interactions with men comes from.
Your example sucks, he was pimping his wife, hardly a husband material.
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Do you understand that the concept of marital rape was introduced due to feminism, particularly in the context of communism in the middle to late 20th century? It is relatively new, mostly in Western countries. I think it's nonsense. Instead of having a debate about this topic, what argument do you really have? None.
Only personal insults and meltdowns.

Look. True to be told I couldn't care less, if that sort off some mental problems for you, be my guest.
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You can't prove a negative.
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No, stupid, it means that between a normal married couple, there is no category of rape. It is an artificial creation to sow discord.

That's a bizzarre conclusion that only a not normal man could draw. And rapes happen in romantic relationships in general, not only in marriages. They're wrong and a crime no matter if the couple is officially married or not.


A husband who rapes his wife anally after she said no to anal sex is "hardly a husband material" either.


Thank God for feminism then!!! 👍👏❤️


And that's exactly one of the reasons why women don't want to go back in time.


Why? Would you physically force your wife to have sex with you against her will?

Be it as it may (although there are white marriages too) it doesn't mean unwavering consent for sex. And definately doesn't mean a spouse can be forced to have sex when they refused.


It's more of a wishful thinking. By projecting you as a miserable, single bitter spinster he can dismiss your words.



Double amen

Thank you. I always knew I was a hidden genius, at least not your avarge shmondac.
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There are always some abnormal or criminal behaviors; these are exceptions to the rule.
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Geez, you never learn. Do you think I say those things because I want to force my wife? Get a grip.
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Why? The reason for refusal.

I guess every narcissist thinks he's a genius.


Yes, called "rape" in this case.


And those negative exceptions in human behaviour are punished by law (aka "meddling" according to you).


I don't know, Ironside. Do you? Would you? I asked you a simple question and you didn't answer.


There may be a number of reasons. It doesn't matter why. If your spouse doesn't want to have sex right now or in the way you want to then you shouldn't force her to do it. Every normal person understands that.

Especially a man who was married before, like you Ironside, should understand such basic rule of every romantic relationship. The fact that you don't seem to understand this rule or you're unwilling to accept such a basic concept of consent is very troubling and a major red flag... Makes me wonder if this is one of the reasons why your wife divorced you...

Because those are ridiculous questions. Also, no matter how I answer, you might come back with I don't believe you.
No, you idiot. In marriage, people accommodate each other. It means if she has some issues, I accept it, and if I want sex and she can be bothered, she will have it regardless. Being intimate is also a part of marriage; there is no need for some movie stunts.
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The difference between a genius and a narcissist in the average person's eyes is non-existent.
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It is meddling. I'm not going to explain to you, you are not inclined to listen anyway.
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It matters a great deal.

The clue is in 'she can be bothered'. If she decides against it and the husband proceeds it's a rape. What's so difficult to understand?

No, they aren't. Those are very basic, important questions.


Cut the bullsh1t. Just answer the freaking question:

Would you force your wife to have sex with you against her will?


Yes, by not raping one another, for example. 🤦


Sending someone to prison for rape isn't "meddling." Just like arresting a parent for beating a child into a bloody pulp isn't "meddling." A wife isn't husband's property. A child isn't parent's property. They can't just do whatever they want to them. Do you understand?


No kind of reason justifies rape. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

I wouldn't, but she wouldn't maliciously withhold it to spite me either. But those things are happening, also, but they are not on your radar.
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That is an excess; whooping kids' ass is not violence. You take fringe examples of criminal behavior and present them as something normal.
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That is not the point. The point here is when and how the government meddled, at which point. My view is that govermnat meddel too much and too greater extent, that is not it role. It should be only in exeptional circumctances, like your crazy examples. Forcing a wife to have sex is not nice, but if no excessive force is used, it only means that marriage has a problem or problems, why not separate or divorce then?
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In marriage, there is no rape - do you get it?

So, according to you, if a wife is "maliciously withholding sex to spite her husband" he should be allowed to rape her and face no legal repercussions?


And those things still don't justify rape. If you have problems in marriage then you either talk this through with your spouse, go to a couple therapy or get a divorce. You don't rape people.


That's because rape is a criminal behavior (and morally wrong).


No, I don't o_O

You mean... like... in case of... rape? 🤦


Yes, it is not "nice", it is called freaking RAPE!


What the hell is this supposed to mean? What is "excessive force" according to you? You shouldn't be forcing your wife to have sex with you by any amount of force!!! WTF is wrong with you???


Exactly! Why not separate or divorce instead of raping your freaking wife????


If a husband forces his wife to have sex against her will then it is rape. If a husband drugs his wife and has sex to her unconscious body without her knowledge and consent then it is rape. How can you claim that "in marriage there is no rape" if reality proves otherwise?

My conclusion is:

1. You either live in some alternate universe where rapes in marriages don't happen or:

2. You think husbands should be allowed to rape their wives or:

3. You're a moron.

In my opinion in such narrow circumstances, if the husband enforces his rights the state shouldn't be interested in family affairs. Unless an excessive force has been used as he beat her up, then she can complain to the authorities, and they would be obliged to take action after the doctors' opinion confirms excessive use of force.
Just as a disclaimer, before you get restless and might personal - I wouldn't do it, wouldn't recommend it either, but everyone's circumstances and mentality are different.
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Look, either give up this debate or, for the length of this talk, recognize my point of view: there is no rape between husband and wife. If you can't get your head around this issue, there is no point in continuing this talk, as we are getting nowhere.
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Today, but I argue it shouldn't be. That rule is relatively recent and has done nothing to improve marriages.

Many women can't have children through no fault of their own. Why penalize them?

@Lyzko
I think idiots like you should be able to vote.

...that you are right on all counts.

Physical force is for the enemies. Men forget that women remember everything...forever.

A single act of violence and it's over. She may stay out of necessity, but the relationship is irreversibly damaged.

The same applies to hateful words. A thousand "I love you" will not undo one "You are fat". Ever.

A smart man never, ever argues with his wife while angry, drunk, or both.

@Novichok
I knew you were simp.

He has no rights to enforce. If he believes that the women is not fulfilling her marital duties he can divorce. He can't however enforce anything.


Maybe not for men. It helped women though. .
I will ask a question but obciously it's very personal so I won't hold it against you if you don't answer:
- did you hold the same views before marriage and if yes did you disclose them to your future wife?


We recognise that's your view, we don't agree with it.


It seems from time to time you can say something reaso able.
Although I would say the relationship can survive but it is damaged and would require a lot of work

You're a psychopath.


You don't have to beat a woman up to rape her. If the man is strong or big enough it's often enough to pin her down. A man can also put a knife to her throat or aim a gun at her and threaten to kill her.
The problem here is not the amount of force (although it can make things worse), but the rape itself. This is what is not only illegal, but also morally wrong and what breaks the marital, emotional bond between spouses.


Then how do you call it when a husband uses excessive force by beating his wife up in order to force her to have sex with him?


Then you're f*cking evil...


...and a moron at that.

Projecting your own ignorance, eh' Ironside old man?

Exactly. That's why I don't understand Ironside's "logic". Once a husband rapes his wife the marriage is over, even if she doesn't report it to the police. If she can leave him, she will. So what would be the point of such rape? Revenge on the wife? It's like Ironside doesn't understand how humans work.

What a weird psycho.


You should be proud, Ironside - being worse than Novichok on any issue is quite a feat. So far I think only Strzelec35 managed to do that.

He has ideology, not understanding.

.....could it be that here another big misunderstanding developed?

Such things happen....

@Bratwurst Boy, what did we "misunderstand" here?:


And this is what Ironside wrote in response to my comment:

So? You both are right....

Today it counts as rape....but only a few decades back it didn't!

And knowing that most marriages traditionally were for making children only, many children so that some would survive and secure the survival of the family, it truly was the common normal. Marital sex was not for love or because of love...it hadn't had much to do with love at all...
But times have changed, people marry not necessarily for children anymore....the same counts for sex generally, it has to be love now...and voluntarily, from both sides...all true, NOW!

We just had a similiar topic, remember Paulina? Its the same why so many women today marry late, if at all...and plan only very cautiously for babies, if at all....

Better you both step two steps back and let that topic lie....and accept that there are opinions and traditions which today just don't mix well!

(I truly hope I didn't add to the misunderstanding, as usual:)