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What do decent Poles think about true rightists ?


Spike31 3 | 1,813
17 Mar 2019 #121
I think Poland should introduce an IQ tests for all new immigrants and reject applicants with the results, let's say 5%-10% percent below the average IQ for Poland.

And since progressive and liberal politicians claim that all human races are equally smart and intelligent - I have no doubt that those fine statesmen wouldn't just blatantly lie to us - that would be just a mere formality.

Why would we just put this theory into practice? That would only add to its credibility
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
17 Mar 2019 #122
introduce an IQ tests for all new immigrants

Let's go further and revoke the vote from anyone with an IQ lower than 5-10% below the average. After all, why should uninformed voters be able to influence the country?
Spike31 3 | 1,813
17 Mar 2019 #123
You can come up with an intelligent idea once you use your brain :-). What you've just wrote would deeply upset democrats though.

Yet, like Janusz Korwin-Mikke famously said: democracy is a system in which two hobos have twice as much voting power than a professor of university
Siurakowski
19 Mar 2019 #124
because writing about 'gender issues' provides no value in a capitalist society

What about writing about prison though? Especially once I master the Polish written language again. I think this would be a great career path, becoming both a crime novelist and a true crime writer on the American justice systems and prisons. I could even embelish it like Masa to become famous and popular. What do you think of this idea? Than start a Youtube channel and podcasts.
Shitonya Brits
19 Mar 2019 #125
Go for it!

You have real world experience (unlike the professional students here who hold themselves in such high regard with no basis for doing so).

You can also try writing scripts for TV or films crime dramas or become a consultant to actors or producers.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,278
19 Mar 2019 #126
Poland should introduce an IQ tests for all new immigrants

Many politicians (of all parties) in Poland wouldn't pass this test, so it is best to leave things as they are now.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
19 Mar 2019 #127
A current system isn't selective enough.

Some European countries like the UK have a point system. I know that UK rates immigrants from Australia according to their educational level, qualifications and skills and allows in mostly well educated young people.

So it is basically very similar to an IQ test. Poland should take an example and apply a similar system ASAP.
OP pawian 222 | 24,370
23 Mar 2019 #128
It is you who must realise that new Poles will claim their space in Poland and bring their cultures, languages and habits with them to fill it.

Why are you so insecure about native Polish culture, language, customs, traditions etc ? I do believe they are strong and attractive enough to be easily adopted by new Poles, as you call them. I can see it in those immigrants who have already come and settled here. Their children, except for slanted eyes or darker skin, are not different from my own kids. Now, do you see the difference between my true Polish confidence and your dumb Pollack`s apprehension? :):)
Miloslaw 19 | 4,908
23 Mar 2019 #129
Well,good luck with that Pawian.
My experience in The UK is 50/50.
Some immigrants do integrate and,to a degree,embrace their new home,many don't and live in a seperate world,they speak their own language at work,in shops and only watch their own TV.

Even some Poles are guilty of this.
I have Indians and Poles working for me who,after over 20 years still can't speak English properly,even though their kids respond to them in English.....it is pathetic and lazy.
OP pawian 222 | 24,370
23 Mar 2019 #130
Poland is different than the UK. Here, Polish patriotism is so strong and pervasive that immigrants quickly adopt Polishness as if they imbibed it with their mothers` milk. I am not worried about their adaptation, after seeing that even stubborn Roma Poles have finally settled down in cities and learnt Polish at last. :):)
Miloslaw 19 | 4,908
23 Mar 2019 #131
Poland is different than the UK.

I am well aware of that fact.
But,with respect,Poland has not suffered mass immigration like The UK has and I hope she never will.
Because if she does,the experience will be the same......
Shitonya Brits
24 Mar 2019 #132
Why are you so insecure about native Polish culture, language, customs, traditions etc ? I do believe they are strong and attractive enough to be easily adopted by new Poles

You simply don't get it.

But what is painfully obvious for all to see is that you don't value genuine diversity. You don't even know what it is.

All you have demonstrated over and over again is that you have a shallow fetish for people with different racial characteristics. People who in your words have "slanted eyes or darker skin".

You even started an entire thread (thankfully closed) about your lust for other races entitled "Why does Poland need racial diversity?"

See, right there in the title, you said unambiguously that you don't want "diversity" but specifically "racial diversity" (again your words).

It really is pathetic that you see people from other parts of the world as having nothing to offer you beyond your desire for their different skin colour and skull shape.

You even said they will need to adopt "native Polish culture, language, customs, traditions."

But these people already have their own cultures, languages, customs and traditions! That's what genuine diversity is all about!

If they move to Poland then why on Earth do they need to abandon everything that makes up their unique identity in order to accommodate you?

That's why I previously told you:

It is not the new Poles who will need to integrate but it is you who will need to integrate into your new diverse Poland.

And your unbridled bigotry didn't stop with your mania about race but continued at full gallop with your now frequent low-brow name-calling:

dumb Pollack

It is crystal clear that (apart from claiming to have made large sums of cash) the only thing you did bring back from America was this derogatory term made against Poles.

And what makes you so confident in using this bigoted term so freely and frequently on PolishForums while never stopping to think that the Americans most surely regarded you as one?

The Anatomy of a Polish Joke

culture.pl/en/article/the-anatomy-of-a-polish-joke

"for Polish emigrants in America [who because of their longing for their lost homeland showed deep commitment to the Polish language, culture and customs]...[there] were prejudices that followed them over from the Old Continent. From the 19th century till 1945, the Prussian, German and Nazi German states had very aggressive anti-Polish policies that went along with their plans to annex Polish territory. Their propaganda would deliberately create the image of a dumb Pole whose only ability is to work in the field."

So, let's break things down.

You are a PRL-era relic who is "fully European" and totally against nationalism and totally for the racial (and only racial) diversification of Poland via worldwide immigration.

Out of one side of your virtue signaling globalist mouth you say that you believe that "native Polish culture, language, customs, traditions are strong and attractive". This by the way is the exact same sentiment a nationalist would use but let's continue.

Then out of the other side of your virtue signaling globalist mouth you once again casually use the centuries-old anti-Polish slur "dumb Pollack" with its racist and fascist origins made frequently against Polish immigrants who also believed in preserving their native Polish culture, language, customs and traditions.

Oh and you also throw around the insult "dumb Pollack" because for some reason it has never dawned on you that that is the first and last thing that comes and stays into other people's minds when they interact with you.

Yep. Another day and just another one of your howler posts chock-full of contradictions.
Miloslaw 19 | 4,908
24 Mar 2019 #133
I never thought I would say this after reading your initial posts on PF and your choice of moniker.
But you are bang on the money here!
Good on ya!
10iwonka10 - | 395
25 Mar 2019 #134
I do believe they are strong and attractive enough to be easily adopted by new Poles, as you call them.

I think that the main reason that immigrants 'have to ' assimilate relatively quickly in Poland is that we don't have this 'postcolonial guilt'. We were bit homogenous before and I find it quite pleasant seeing second generation of Vietnamese immigrants speaking perfect Polish. Sign of good assimilation with natives :-)
jon357 74 | 22,043
25 Mar 2019 #135
I think that the main reason that immigrants 'have to ' assimilate relatively quickly in Poland

This is certainly changing fast.
ddccf
25 Mar 2019 #136
but why do all western Europeans and particularly Americans on twitter have this guilt, whether it is whtie guilt or post colonial guilt or feminism. Twitter and social media and western media as a whole is full of it.

I mean just look up @emrazz, her tweets have huge following of males and females that just agree with everything she says or tweets about especially related to feminism.
Gezza 2 | 15
25 Mar 2019 #137
Is speaking the language a true proof of assimilation?
mafketis 37 | 10,875
25 Mar 2019 #138
Maybe not in every country but it's the key to assimilation/integration in Poland (serving as a proxy for knowing how things work) those who don't speak Polish well never really get the hang of how things happen in Poland tend to end up drifting from one unpleasant situation to another... (often in a black cloud of rage)
10iwonka10 - | 395
25 Mar 2019 #139
I suppose it is in any country not just Poland. Without language you feel quite isolated. Even in places like Belgium, Holland....where people are quite bilingual it can be tiring in any social meeting to switch to English all the time (as sort of international language nowadays).
mafketis 37 | 10,875
25 Mar 2019 #140
I suppose it is in any country not just Poland

I dunno... I'm told that being fluent in both English and French are useless in trying to integrate in Canada (as in getting to know everyday born Canadians).

The Netherlands and Scandinavia specialize in non-integrating policies and so it's hard to judge there - almost all their official policy has the effect of making it harder to learn the local language and integrate...
10iwonka10 - | 395
25 Mar 2019 #141
Why?......I thought all these 3 countries invited so many refugees with open arms and no integrating policies now?- it is like catastrophe waiting to happen!
mafketis 37 | 10,875
25 Mar 2019 #142
invited so many refugees with open arms and no integrating policies now?

The ones inviting them stay as far away from them as possible once they're in the country as a rule.

Also the egalitarian approach doesn't work in language instruction (I've heard of a Danish program that has multilingual Europeans in the same classroom as people who can't read or write their own language...)
10iwonka10 - | 395
25 Mar 2019 #143
From my observation in the UK- the second generation of European immigration assimilate very smoothly there.

People who can't read and write in their own language...How long would it take before they can run independent life in new country- 100 years :-(
Miloslaw 19 | 4,908
25 Mar 2019 #144
Is speaking the language a true proof of assimilation?

Absolutely.
I can't speak for the whole of Europe but here in The UK people can get by without learning English.
They live in their own communities,work with people from their own countries (that is how they get the job in the first place),
Watch their own TV,only mix with their own community........this is a recipe for disaster.....
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,053
26 Mar 2019 #145
Is speaking the language a true proof of assimilation?

No. It's when you enjoy it, using it is effortless, and it is the first choice.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
26 Mar 2019 #146
Why limit iq tests just to Poland? Hell Europe is being flooded by countries who have abysmal literacy rates, let alone high iq. In niger and Sudan less then half the people are literate. In Pakistan a bit over 2/3. These people have nothing to contribute to a superior more advanced society than theirs.
OP pawian 222 | 24,370
2 Apr 2019 #147
Poland likes the EU for money and access.

It doesn` t matter what Poles appreciate the EU for. The fact is a fact. The latest poll shows the same level of support for the Polish membership in the EU as before: 80% Negative views amount to 7%.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sondaz-dla-radia-zet-ue-przynosi-polsce-korzysci/8fenh4s



Miloslaw 19 | 4,908
2 Apr 2019 #148
It doesn` t matter what Poles appreciate the EU for.

What a ridiculous thing to say!
Of course it matters!!!!
As soon as The EU is no longer seen as advantageous to Poles their support will dwindle!
Stating the bleedin' obvious here.......

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