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Success: 120 of Polish Pesa trams for Moscow!


Polonius3 994 | 12,367
22 Jun 2013 #1
The Bydgoszcz-based Pesa works will be supplying Moscow with 120 ultra-modern tramcars which Wyborcza terms a great success. I'm sure the heart of every PF-er is warmed by such news.

The foothold will enable Pesa's expansion into Russia where many towns are planning to replace their antiquated light rail vehicles.
Anyone know whether Pesa is wholly Polish owned or at least Poles hold a majority stake?
Polson 5 | 1,768
22 Jun 2013 #2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PESA_SA#Corporate_Ownership

Good news I guess. Poland can export too ;)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
22 Jun 2013 #3
PESA and Solaris are doing an absolutely brilliant job at the minute.
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,367
22 Jun 2013 #4
Anyone heard about Mr Kluska and Optima? He was really shafted by the new economics. BTW would you know of any other Polish economic success stories? Pesa and Solaris are obvious. Orlen operates a chain of petrol stations in Germany. Anything else on that order? Supposedly Polish apple pulp is exported world-wide and is found in apple juice produced in many different countries.
poland_
22 Jun 2013 #5
Polish fruit is exported worldwide, the producers do not benefit its the buying companies. Most of them are Dutch and they a pittance to the farmers in Poland.
sobieski 106 | 2,118
22 Jun 2013 #6
Anyone know whether Pesa is wholly Polish owned or at least Poles hold a majority stake?

Could you share your "afterthoughts" with us?
OP Polonius3 994 | 12,367
22 Jun 2013 #7
the producers do not benefit

That's an interesting point. I've heard Polish farmers desptie EU subsidies are nto able to spread their wings. At the so-called famrers' markets in Warsaw at least the vendors get their produce from the same wholesale warehouses Tesco, Carrefour and Leclerk and Biedronka do.

One doesn't see farmer's bringing fruit and vegetables in their little Żuk vans (one time it was furmanki - horse carts) to these markets that much anymore.

TV has in the past shown farmers saying they can't find pickers willing to work for so little to make selling the strawberries proftiable, so they plough over their fields. And yet strawbreries are brough in from North Africa and elsewhere and, despite transport costs, can ber sold at a profit. Could that be a marketing strategy to drive Polish producers out of business? Can anyone explain?

afterthoughts

Very positive. I'm sure every other PF-er is also happy to learn Poland is finally making even the smallest mark on the world.
Zlatko
29 Aug 2019 #8
Merged:

I love Polish trams PESA



The Solaris buses/trolleybuses not so much (the ride is too rough for my taste, the SOR buses/trolleybuses have a smoother ride). But anyway, I like the Pesa Swing trams more than the Skoda ones in Prague and Bratislava. We have Pesa Swing in Sofia, too.
antheads 13 | 355
29 Aug 2019 #9
PiS nationalised Pesa as it was in dire financial straights, they are a world class train and tram manufacturing outfit, they have had sales in germany as well as bulgaria. I hope they get more orders in western markets over the next 10 years. I was thinking of actually convincing them to bid for aussie contracts as bombradier and the spanish outfit have a stranglehold on trams here, and they overcharge like buggery.
Alien 20 | 4,971
16 Aug 2023 #10
Does Pesa still exist?
GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
16 Aug 2023 #11
Alive and kicking and still delivering trains and trams to Poland and abroad...

m.facebook.com/PESAbydgoszcz
amiga500 4 | 1,540
16 Aug 2023 #12
Does Pesa still exist?

They even sold trains to your home country of Germany.
Alien 20 | 4,971
17 Aug 2023 #13
to your home country of Germany.

That's good, Solaris buses also run in Germany.
amiga500 4 | 1,540
17 Aug 2023 #14
That's good,

The renowned PESA Link train has been purchased by both Deutsche Bahn and the open access operator Niederbarnimer Eisenbahn.

Pesa Link
max321
17 Aug 2023 #15
Deutsche Bahn and

what to do? we need to sell advanced products to our less technically debeloped neighbors; what are friends for?
jon357 74 | 22,054
17 Aug 2023 #16
The renowned PESA Link train has been purchased

Excellent. Does the manufacturer still belong to the people?
amiga500 4 | 1,540
17 Aug 2023 #17
It was re-nationalised by PiS I believe
jon357 74 | 22,054
17 Aug 2023 #18
re-nationalised by PiS

For all their faults, they do get some things right.

Good luck to PESA, may they sell more and more.
pawian 223 | 24,375
17 Aug 2023 #19
will be supplying Moscow with 120 ultra-modern tramcars

yes, that was the time when Russia seemed a normal country. Normal compared to its crazy past, of course.

However, these times have come to an end. Now, Poles won`t buy anything from Russians for the next 30 years. And vice versa.


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