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Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun?

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26 Dec 2016  #121

@johnny reb
You dont apply to have one. You apply because you know all have one. Its a big difference. See... Counterfeit Bane (Batman antagonist) murders your fellows in dozens by "borrowing weapons from Uncle". It doesnt mean **** he borrowed it. In Europe you cant borrow semi auto from Uncle simply coz your Uncle never has one.

Anyways. Please dont judge us from a country that crime happens the most

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26 Dec 2016  #122

Please dont judge us

I certainly would never do that as I admire Poland's low murder rates.
You also live in a very beautiful and peaceful part of Poland that I will eventually be visiting soon.

by "borrowing weapons from Uncle

It is against the law in the U.S.A. to posses a handgun that is not registered to you.
Terrorists like soft targets as well as criminals (who use 'unregistered' guns) who like gun free zones.
By the time the police get there now all that is left is victims while if there was a well armed community the criminal would still be there too. (Face down)

How long do you think it will be before Poland experiences a mass murder that could have been stopped if there would have been armed citizens ?

Think the innocent Polish truck driver in Berlin might be alive today if he had one ?
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26 Dec 2016  #123

@johnny reb
Johnny

Me borrowing a gun from my Uncle being against the ław. Cant u see? I can "borrow" a gun from anyone. Cant you see that if no one is allowed to posses a weapon.= I cant borrow IT from any one else. Last US shooting was about a young guy having on possesion like 6 guns? I myself wouldnt be able to get even ONE !!! And he still murdered several people regardless of if they had concealed firearms or not.

Murderer in Sweden could not get firearms therefore he used samurai blade. IT made the attack being less severe and SMALL area
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26 Dec 2016  #124

To me its Simple Johnny. We dont need your laws. I am not afraid my neighour is a murderer and if he is he has no Simple way to get the fire arms. So Simple :)
johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,189
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26 Dec 2016  #125

We dont need your laws

As we don't need yours. Pi pi pi

Cant you see that if no one is allowed to posses a weapon.= I cant borrow IT from any one else.

Exactly leaving only the bad guys having illegal guns.
The part you fail to understand that to stop a bad guy with a gun it takes a good guy with a gun.
When you get a little older and get drafted into the military they will teach you these things.
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26 Dec 2016  #126

@johnny reb
The thing you dont understand is theres no bad guy with the gun. Its just in your Utopian American Dream. There is no guy with the gun since he couldn't buy it or illegally borrow it from his mother, his son or his Brother or from fking aliens. Its so fking simple.
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26 Dec 2016  #127

Anyway johnny. You must be right. There are like 50 mass shootings every year in the US and like two in a fu... king CENTURY in Poland.

You must be right. Weapons must be right too.

/SARCASM
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26 Dec 2016  #128

That is a natural right to have a gun. In some countries the law doesn't reflect it. Citizens of those countries are not really citizens but subjects. No freedom.
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27 Dec 2016  #129

There are like 50 mass shootings every year in the US

That is not true. (sigh, does palm plant on forehead)
There are ten times as many people in the U.S.A. as there is in Poland so many more variables to make up stats.

How many mass murders were committed by Muslims ?
How many by Black and Latino gang bangers ?
How many by the mentally ill ?
ALL OF THEM with illegal guns is the correct answer son.

There is no guy with the gun since he couldn't buy it or illegally borrow it from his mother, his son or his Brother or from fking aliens. Its so fking simple.

Bet me that if I came to Poland that I couldn't buy an illegal gun within a week if I really wanted one.
Come on son, get real.
Did you know that not one (ZERO) murder by shooting ever occurred by a NRA (National Rifle Association) member.
These are the people that own guns legally.
You have been brainwashed well by the Liberal gun grabbers in the U.E.
Responsible gun owners enjoy their God given freedom to self defend themselves and their families.
Poland should be allowed those same freedoms is all I am saying.
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27 Dec 2016  #130

@johnny reb
I was not brainwashed by anyone. You give me stats on illegal weapon usage in the US. Dude. Its easy to steal a gun from anyone in the society.where guns are common. If ill borrow a gun from my uncle who got it legally and kill someone with itt will go into the illegal possession statistics. Go and show me how easy is to get ILLEGAL firearms in Poland. Mind you you have to get it from other source than your friend/family that own it legally. (even then you would experience struggle).

Go. Show me.

I love in Poland for like 30 years and never seen anyone carrying firearms. Never.
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27 Dec 2016  #131

@NoToForeigners
As for your "Poland is 10 times less citizens" Johnny. ill take the whole fking Europe and show you that murders including usage of firearms is all together many many times lower than in the US.
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,457
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27 Dec 2016  #132

Did you know that not one (ZERO) murder by shooting ever occurred by a NRA (National Rifle Association) member.

What a hilarious claim! The first problem is that only the NRA knows who is a member of the NRA and they refuse to make that information public, so nobody knows how many NRA members committed how many murders. But the second problem is the one that shows us that yet again Cartman is telling whoppers: the man who served as the National Rifle Association's general counsel for 17 years, Robert Dowlut, was convicted of murdering his girlfriend's mother by shooting her.
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27 Dec 2016  #133

The thing you dont understand is theres no bad guy with the gun.

You're wasting your breath, he will never understand this because he's never been to Europe and sees danger round every corner.
Americans appear to have no concept of what it is like to not have to live in fear, that there are countries where you can walk down the street without risk of being shot at.
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27 Dec 2016  #134

@Chemikiem
America. Heh. "... The land of the free...". Seems freedom in american eyes is to be able to do whatever it takes to overcome threat.

IMHO true freedom is when there's no threat and no need to overcome it. Lol
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28 Dec 2016  #135

But the second problem is the one that shows us that yet again Cartman is telling whoppers: the man who served as the National Rifle Association's general counsel for 17 years, Robert Dowlut, was convicted of murdering his girlfriend's mother by shooting her.

I see Harry is lying again. That happened in 1964. In 1977 he became working for the NRA. So no Harry no member of the NRA committed murder by shooting.

IMHO true freedom is when there's no threat and no need to overcome it. Lol

Don't really know what you mean but it sound to me that you're confusing freedom with slavery.
johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,189
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28 Dec 2016  #136

So no Harry no member of the NRA committed murder by shooting.

Har is just trolling again to take the thread off topic.

yet again Cartman is telling whoppers: the man who served as the National Rifle Association's general counsel for 17 years, Robert Dowlut, was convicted of murdering his girlfriend's mother by shooting her.

LOL - Except for the minor details (but who wants to "split hairs") you left out Har ..........
Perhaps you could show us that he was a "NRA member" and not just a NRA councilor.
You left out that the conviction was reversed and Dowlut eventually walked free.
That information kinda makes you out to be a liar again dunnit it Har.
But who is "splitting hairs". lol
But as usual you troll for an argument that is Totally Off Topic begging to get your sixth warning.

ill take the whole fking Europe and show you that murders including usage of firearms is all together many many times lower than in the US.

A no brainer.
That is because Europe doesn't have the Black population nor the Latino population that America has.

he sees danger round every corner.

If you are not paranoid you're not paying attention. (sarcasm)
Oh Pam where do you come up with such ridiculous statements like that. (does palm plant on forehead)

Americans appear to have no concept of what it is like to not have to live in fear

When I have my "Huckleberry" with me I fear nothing.
If you had half the freedoms I have you wouldn't be so jealous.
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,457
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28 Dec 2016  #137

That is because Europe doesn't have the Black population nor the Latino population that America has.

That's a strong contender for the most disgusting comment on PF in 2016. Is vile racism no longer against the rules here?

That happened in 1964. In 1977 he became working for the NRA. So no Harry no member of the NRA committed murder by shooting.

Feel free to point out any lie you see in my post. It's very interesting that you know when he became a member of the NRA, care to tell us how you came by that information?
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28 Dec 2016  #138

Is vile racism

OH NO ! I have to defend myself to "spitting hairs" again. lol
Take your race card and shove it Har.
I don't play the "political correctness" guilt trip game.
Facts are not racism.
Perhaps you would like to google the prison population by race in America.
Then compare that to Poland's prison population by race.

you know when he became a member of the NRA, care to tell us how you came by that information?

LOL, I don't want to "split hairs" however YOU are the one that claimed that he was a NRA member, not me, you liar.
Perhaps you would like to tell us how you came by that information ?
NOW, quit your trolling to take this thread Off Topic AGAIN !
The P.F. is not your personal therapy class any longer Har.
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,457
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28 Dec 2016  #139

Facts are not racism.

Your 'fact' that the reason Europe has fewer murders involving the use of firearms "is because Europe doesn't have the Black population nor the Latino population that America has" is not a fact. It's a disgusting piece of racist filth that would get you permanently banned from any civilised forum.

YOU are the one that claimed that he was a NRA member

Care to quote me doing that? You, however, have certainly claimed that "not one (ZERO) murder by shooting ever occurred by a NRA (National Rifle Association) member", so tell us when he became an NRA member. Also, perhaps you can tell us the NRA membership status of Christy Byrd Sheats.
johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,189
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28 Dec 2016  #140

is not a fact.

Oh but it is Har, very much so.
Just google the percentages and you will see that it is a fact.

so tell us when he became an NRA member

That is your job Har since YOU are the one that insinuated that he was a NRA member, not me.

perhaps you can tell us

Or "perhaps" you would like to tell us.
Again, another post of your trolling has taken this thread Off Topic.
That calls for a sixth warning in any civilized forum and permanent ban.
If I don't get a chance to say goodbye Har, I will say it now, "Good Bye Har".

Terrorism spreads like a cancer and likes soft targets and innocent victims to terrorize.
Poland's turn is coming just like the rest of the EU is experiencing.
Eventually it's citizens will demand to be able to protect themselves and their families by carrying a gun to have a fighting chance.
It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,457
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28 Dec 2016  #141

That is your job Har

Fair enough, here are two confirmed NRA members who have been convicted of murder involving the use of firearms in just one single state:

In January 2012, a jury found National Rifle Association member Justin Campos guilty on two second-degree murder charges.

Sherwood, a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association ... On September 17, 2014, Sherwood was found guilty of second degree murder.

concealedcarrykillers.org/florida/

If you'd like to make the same claim about members of the Polish equivalent of the NRA, feel free to go ahead: the limited number of guns here would make that claim quite possible, unlike the laughable lie you thought you could sneak past us.

It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

The case of Joseph Wilcox shows you're wrong there. Fortunately, few Poles are moronic enough to believe the lies the NRA loves to peddle.
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28 Dec 2016  #142

, here are two confirmed NRA members

Perhaps you would like to tell us WHO "confirmed" that claim ?

Sherwood, a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association ...

Perhaps you could give a link that states this claim ?
I couldn't find that statement in the link that you posted.
You're not trying to sneak one past us are you Har ?

Joseph Wilcox

At least a gun gave him a chance to respond.
He was a hero by getting everyone out of the store to safety.
He then was shot in the back.
When you leave the critical details out of your claims Har it's just like lying. :-/
Now for the love of Mary can we PLEASE get back on thread you hard headed Auzzie.
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,457
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28 Dec 2016  #143

Perhaps you would like to tell us WHO "confirmed" that claim ?

In the case of Sherwood it was his own lawyer.

One of his attorneys, Daniel Ciener, said Sherwood is a lifetime member of the NRA and had a concealed-carry permit at the time of the shooting.

floridatoday.com/story/news/crime/2014/09/10/accused-road-rage-killer-on-trial-in-brevard/15395845/

Here's a case involving a man who told police he's an NRA member:

Willard J. McCullen shot his cousin after a dispute over $60. According to the victim's mother, McCullen shot him in the back and then again in the chest when he turned around. McCullen told investigators he was an NRA member and knew he had a right to shoot.

tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_119

can we PLEASE get back on thread

OK, perhaps you'd like to tell us how many members of any Polish gun associations have used guns to murder people? Then we can assess whether it's gun association membership or not having access to guns that stops people from murdering other people.
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28 Dec 2016  #144

Har I have to hand it to you.
Job well done on your googling.
You finally got one on me with the score now:
Johnny Reb 10
Har 1
Two guys out of 4.5 million members are guilty
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,457
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28 Dec 2016  #145

Two guys out of 4.5 million members are guilty

Perhaps you'd like to try telling the truth? Just for once, just to see how it feels?

Anyway tell us how many members of any Polish gun associations have used guns to murder people. That way we can assess whether it's gun association membership or not having access to guns that stops people from murdering other people.
johnny reb Activity: 10 / 2,189
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28 Dec 2016  #146

Perhaps you'd like to try telling the truth?

I guess I do get a bit wreckless sometimes by not "splitting hairs" Har.
I stated that zero NRA members have committed murder with a gun and you googled "two" that did out of the 4.5 million members of the NRA.

Shame on me.
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28 Dec 2016  #147

There are ten times as many people in the U.S.A. as there is in Poland so many more variables to make up stats.

More like 350 per year in the USA. There has been one in 1996 and one in 2010 in the UK . Per capita thats 500 times more mass shootings in the US than the UK. With Poland its even higher.

edition.cnn.com/2016/06/13/health/mass-shootings-in-america-in-charts-and-graphs-trnd
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28 Dec 2016  #148

Did you notice that the States with the highest murder rate on your map were all Liberal Democratic States ?
All Liberal democratic cities. Hmmmm

Take the mass shootings and subtract the mentally ill, Muslim terrorists, minority gang banger related who were responsible and compare those stats to law abiding gun owners.

It is not the law abiding gun owners that are responsible for the mass murders.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The biggest mass murder in the U.S.A. was done with a bomb.
Didn't Germany just have a mass murder by a Muslim using a truck ?
And the difference is ?
Ironside Activity: 41 / 7,592
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28 Dec 2016  #149

And the difference is ?

people are scared of guns and their neighbours. when they hear the word gun - their brain goes into the panic mode and freezes.
The other explanation - those are nutters with no self -control who are aware of their condition as they know that if somebody would given them a gun they would just go ape shyt crazy.
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28 Dec 2016  #150

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Things make sense when you realize the entire US "gun control" movement is about trying to keep guns from urban minorities (especially blacks and hispanics) without actually saying that.

Similarly, most urban liberal education policy is about resegregating schools by exporting minorities (especially blacks and hispanics) out of cities where liberals live.

US liberals have a bunch of policies that are extemely anti-black and anti-hispanic but since they can't say that and keep their liberal status they come up with these weird and elaborate workarounds.....




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