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"Sufficient funds" to register in Poland


Sjors 1 | 15
13 Nov 2015 #1
Hi,

I've read that to register in Poland, as an EU-citizen, one way is to prove that you have a healthcare insurance and "a proof of having sufficient funds to be able to support oneself and members of one's family, so as not to become a burden for the social assistance". Funds in a bank can be used to prove this, but does anyone have an idea what amount of savings would be considered "sufficient" in this regard? And is it allowed to register yourself in this way and then work as self-employed (after registering your business)?
muumiin
14 Nov 2015 #2
Some my friends collected all bills during a month to show how much money they need to support themselves here. It may be helpful if you take with you contract for your flat.

I guess your boss should fill some papers that he wants you to work for him. I'm not sure because I helped some people from US. If you are from UE it should be even easier.

Don't worry, there are some papers to fill in but it should be enough if you take with you translator and prepare all documents that they will ask you to. Maybe you know someone who is from here and could help you?

They will tell you everything in immigration office - but usually they don't speak English or speak very poor so you need a translator
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
14 Nov 2015 #3
proof of having sufficient funds

In general, as long as you earn the minimum wage, it's fine.
InPolska 9 | 1,816
15 Nov 2015 #4
minimum salary in Poland is not even enough for Poles to survive so they have to rely on family solidarity and thefore a foreign resident shall be required to prove a much higher income. I think that it may be something like at least 3 or 4,000 for 1 person or a couple + of course full medical coverage. In Poland there is no welfare so a foreigner in dire poverty could end up in crime and that's the reason why authorities demand sufficient and regular income (logical).

@Delph: poor Poles live with their relatives (parents, grandparents, cousins...) or in public housing, foreign residents don't.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
15 Nov 2015 #5
and thefore a foreign resident shall be required to prove a much higher income. I think that it may be something like at least 3 or 4,000 for 1 person or a couple + of course full medical coverage.

Actually, this might surprise you - but it's considerably less. I was always told there that they expected you to earn the minimum wage, but the law actually states something different.

Condition of stable income

In 2015, this threshold is 514 PLN per family member or 634 PLN in the case of a single-person household.

Documents confirming stable income may be, for example, an employment contract, a contract of mandate or a rental agreement guaranteeing the foreigner regular income as a landlord, etc.

migrant
OP Sjors 1 | 15
15 Nov 2015 #6
I'll work in Poland as self-employed, so I can't really provide a given income. I can however provide bank statements. How many savings would be considered "sufficient funds" for a single-person household?

@delphiandomine: isn't that website for non-EU-citizens?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
15 Nov 2015 #7
You need at least a year of "sufficient funds" - so 12x634zł.
InPolska 9 | 1,816
15 Nov 2015 #8
@Delph: how can you expect anyone to pay rent, to eat, to buy shoes, clothes, transportation and other bills on ... 634zl/month? I wish I could...
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
15 Nov 2015 #9
I'm equally confused. I don't understand why the limit isn't the minimum monthly wage.
OP Sjors 1 | 15
15 Nov 2015 #10
@Delph: Thanks a lot! Without wanting to question your expertise ;-), but can you provide a source for this?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
15 Nov 2015 #11
Unfortunately, no, but it's what they use here.

I'd give Migrant Info Point a call if you want to confirm - migrant.poznan.pl/en

As an aside, there are no benefits from applying for residency unless you want to get permanent residency in Poland one day, or if you want to apply for some sort of credit.
OP Sjors 1 | 15
15 Nov 2015 #12
From what I have read, it's obligated if you stay in Poland for longer than three months.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
15 Nov 2015 #13
It's more of a theoretical requirement. Essentially, there are no punishments in law if you don't register.
OP Sjors 1 | 15
15 Nov 2015 #14
As an EU-citizen the chance of "getting caught" is probably about zero, but I did read there's a fine on not registering within three months. Plus you need it to get a PESEL-number, which you'll need again to e.g. register a business.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
15 Nov 2015 #15
No, there's no punishments available in law. Essentially, it's against the law not to register, but there are no punishments for not doing so. The only legislation available is to deport you if you're a danger to the public, but that law is the same regardless if you're registered or not.

You won't obtain a PESEL anymore upon registering. The law changed on the 1st March - now your own national ID number replaces it. You'll only get a PESEL upon getting permanent residency.
OP Sjors 1 | 15
15 Nov 2015 #16
Sigh, really? :( So much out-dated info on the internet... Here I read that a PESEL-number is required to register a business: foreigners in poland/start-business-poland. But now you can essentially register a business in Poland without a PESEL-number, so you essentially need no "official information" showing you live legally in Poland (except an address) at all?

This is what Wikipedia says:

The PESEL number is mandatory for all permanent residents of Poland and for temporary residents living in Poland for over 2 months. After the 1st March 2015, applicants for Polish passport without a PESEL number will need to apply for PESEL prior to passport application. Otherwise, without a PESEL number, passport application and fingerprints cannot be taken.[1][2]

As of March 1, non-EU residents in Poland are no longer entitled to a PESEL number. EU nationals will continue to receive the PESEL number.
Sebb13 - | 13
13 Sep 2016 #17
Merged: Sufficient Funds for Student visa

How much is the required amount to have in bank account when applying for student national visa ??
High class Olga - | 5
14 Sep 2016 #18
In my opinion atleast 1500pln per month as expense plus college fee,so depending on the duration of your course.


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