The risk of investing in Europe has risen and Poland has suffered accordingly

Another arrogant Brit statement. With all the problems we have, most of us, still live much better than you ever will and that pees you off so bad, lol Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me.

This whole board is littered with arrogant statements from you love, only the other day you were asking for a campaign to get rid of one of the mods.


I like America in many ways what i dont like are arrogant fcukers like you.


Judging by your responses i would have to disagree.

and I don't like arrogant Brits like you, who still believe that you can rule the world.
I'm really proud, my country is not a part of your Commonwealth bs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations

something you have never achieved and never will. Poor little English f**k

Can we have less of the personal insults, please.


sure, tell him that too.

Dont you just love the generalisations, i dont believe we can rule the world nor have i met any other Brits that believe so. What the hell are you on about?


Commonwealth? who gives a crap about the commonwealth.


I dont understand that post, but i suspect its something great about the US, or are you talking about yourself? either way its irrelevant to this debate. Or was it linked to the Wiki link? Listen heres a tip if you cant post anything that makes sense dont bother.


ok then....


Which Moderator are you talking about here and what were your reasons?

no, you can't anymore


link provided


yeah, there's something great about us getting your butts out of here.


my personal problems with that person are none of your business

Again, read up on my views on fiat currency in general. Countries are getting out of the dollar. The dollar is the current reserve currency, but that is changing, and very quickly for that matter. The more that countries get out of the dollar, the closer investors will start looking at the sustainability of US monetary policy.


Comeon, that's a ridiculous argument. The prices of goods and services would simply adjust to the form of money being used.

Why would we voluntarily rob ourselves with inflation? Inflation is what screws people over. The Fed has a mandate to provide price stability. Has it worked?


Jesus, do you think that the dollar is headed in the right direction? Inflation isn't a problem? Huge debt+less global demand for US debt, that's just a fact. How will the US deal with funding it's deficits if less of the world is buying its debt?


It is more consistent...because its value is much much much more difficult to manipulate. It works as a trustworthy holder of value, which is all that money is. The Swiss Franc was stable for 80 years with nearly no inflation. Regarding the Great Depression, you forgot to mention that it was an artificial contraction in the middle of massive asset bubbles created through easy credit. Guess what, we're leveraged way higher now than we were then...

There's a great University there in Chicago with a stellar economics program.

Back to the original post, I don't do debt. Those people are insane. Commodities make a lot more sense :)

Remind me again why the risk of investing in Poland has risen?

of course it is a problem but I know, we'll solve this problem just like we solved every other problem before. There's absolutely no need to crack on it all the time. It's not like we're the only ones who have problems, right?

There was a scetch a few years ago of an american kid asking his parents for pocket money per week of 20 dollars...they agreed then the kid asked "actually, can i have that in Euro's?"

The US has never had these kinds of problems before outside of war time with other countries in such powerful positions financially. I have family and friends that are feeling the pain of their money being devalued and the Dollar losing more and more as a reserve currency every year. You can choose to ignore that, but it affects Americans dramatically. Bigger issue than immigration, terrorism, healthcare... Americans are working harder to buy less, that trend will continue. The joys of inflation.


Even better, gold...or, even better than that, cotton. Kid would have doubled his dollar value this year.

I never denied that we have problems but you guys are blowing it out of proportions. I don't know your family and their problems. In my family everyone has a steady income and no one is struggling. Comparing with Europe, the prices here are still OK. This and that went up, that's true but when I think back how it was in Poland and Germany, we still shouldn't bit*h too much.

It's something else when an American goes to visit Poland with a loaded credit card and a wallet full of money than when he starts living there like Poles do, having the same average income, having to pay all bills etc. Like I've already mentioned in another thread, the numbers are not showing the reality of life in Poland or even in Germany.

Maybe you got lucky, I can't say anything about it as I can't prove you're wrong but I know enough people in Poland who are telling me totally different stories than you and some other PF members. Some of you, like ironside, are at least honest about it and confirm what I've experienced on my own while in Poland and what my friends are telling me on skype, almost every day.

Steady income vs loss of purchasing power. Purchasing power is on the decline in the US, at least that is what the US government tells us.

Median household income is on the decline in the US, and inflation is on the rise. Why would you compare another country or continent as a benchmark instead of using US history?

When you're indicator is growth, Poland is looking pretty good investment wise. Price stability, same deal. Debt/GDP, still looking good. Banking industry, well grounded.

The risk of investing in Europe has risen relative to what?

Like I said, I don't invest in government debt, but the indicators are all there. Anyway, I'll stick to my commodities, you can keep your dollars, euros, and zloty.

There is only one way to guard from inflation buy gold and silver and make sure to get the physical delivery
Then get rid of federal reserve and put all the bankers in jail for financial terrorism, but for that idea to work we need to have president with balls and we got neuter one.

It does not matter if you have fiat currency it matters who controls it if privet banks like federal reserve control it then you will have manipulation of it whatever you use as currency make sure gov. has control of it and then make sure people has control of gov. not banks or corporation.

Do not argue the left and right points of view ( that how the elite keeps you divided ) agree on a way to take your country back from privet banks and corporations

Who cares if republicans or democrats are in power the agenda is the same to make as much money for banks and corporations with special rules and regulation for them and punish tax payer and small business owner with more tax.

tell me convex, what are you really trying to prove here? Because you paint it totally black but it isn't. I live here, I see little changes but nothing drastic. Maybe in the north it is much worse than here but where I live there's no reason to panic.


why would I mess with our history? The problems we have don't really go that far behind.
The reason I'm comparing another countries with us is to show that we're still pretty much well off. You believe in numbers and I believe in what I see around me.

My opinion is that before we go down, there will be a huge number of countries before us to go down.


you can see it anyway you want it (you keep repeating the same thing) and I will repeat myself and say again, the numbers ain't worth crap. We'll see about the long term stability of this "progress". The time will show.


ask that Polish top manager who said it.


how can you possibly tell what I do with my money? You can not.

You seem to be a very pessimistic person, very un-American.

That the US financial system is unsound? We've never been in a situation where the only thing keeping the government afloat is that the people printing the money are also buying its debt. That's not worrisome? It's not worrisome that countries are buying less and less US debt at a time when the US needs countries to buy its debt in order to maintain financial credibility? But, what do I know. I mean, granted the last Chairman of the Fed agrees, but ah well... I have nothing to prove about the US economy. You're right, I don't have anything to prove to you. It's just my take. I don't know what you invest in, how old you are, where you live, if you're a man or a woman. I just see a name writing things which seem to ignore the problem and pretend it's not happening, when the US has always been strong as a problem solving country, and not the lost ship that it is today. Fair enough.


It was analyst, and he said:


The analyst is saying Polish bonds are a short term risk for traders, and a good buy for long term investors.

When you will have the reason to panic it will be too late for you and your family.


you are one ignorant person who do not know anything about monetary issues and statements like this make me sad that you have a vote.

it make convex very realistic person not un-American, guesswho you started sound like the moron president we had " I am decider, I decide" " fool me ones and can't get fooled "

a) Nope. Of course it will fall.
b) Correct, it was directed to the US&A.
c) 'Kingdom" = US&A
d) My comment"we'll see" was directed to the point, who IS dreaming. You or him... ;-)
My guess it's you.

Stay on topic

same with you, don't you think?


I don't ignore anything, all I say is the we're not the only one country having problems. According to you and few others here, there's no problems in the world, only in America.

It's so one-sided point of view and this is what I have a problem with.


before I'm going to have a reason to panic, it will be too late to panic for very many people out there. You don't know me or my situation so why worry about me.


I'm pretty sure you can't vote here and if then it would be a real reason for us Americans to worry about. Btw. next time before you call someone an ignorant, look in the mirror, at least you won't make a mistake in that case.


to begin with, YOU didn't have jack, it's not your president. Just because you maybe live here, it doesn't mean that you can talk like anyone or anything here is yours.

I told you many times, go back to your paradise and leave us alone. We don't need a anti American scum like you here. BYE !!!

Sure.

Are you reading my posts? There're no problems in the world? When did I ever say that? Just read through this thread...

Anyway, we've already examined the quote used in the title. The lines make a lot of sense in context and article seems to be incredibly positive about Polish bonds as a whole (the last sale was successful).

Apparently the market for Polish debt is pretty strong.

6 month dollar start it's moved to total collapse, and where can I contact you so I can say "I told you so"
and me and convex will be sating with gold and silver bullion and laughing at you ignorant Americans.


you are right he was not my president I did not vote for him nor he won the election he got less votes then Gore and supreme court handed the presidency to him by one vote then in 2004 he stole the election in Ohio as the votes went through the republican computer in Tennessee so you right he was never elected president just appointed one.


I am a veteran of United States Army and I served in war for this country, it make me sad that I sacrifice so much for a person like you that was waste of my life but my son will not do this same mistake as I did.

I don't care about him just like I don't care about politicians in general but I do care about my country and its people (Americans).


You can tell me many things, just like convex said above, you could be anyone just like the rest of us. Why would I believe what you say? Because you say so? Let's put it that way, you damn sure don't sound like a veteran of the US Army or like an American at all.

I am not an American they were wiped out by white man and forced to live in reservations I was born in Poland and I am citizen of United states and a veteran of U.S. Army.

I sound like a person who is objective and points out it you may not like it but that too bad just look around the fraud that is committed against tax payer with the bail out of banks and then with EQ1 and EQ2 and foreclosure the new crisis, that said Poland is in better situation then United States as Poland is producing wealth ( products that are produce in Poland by Poles for export ) if I were you I get out of dollar and buy polish Z£

you like describing yourself, do you? I'm this, I'm that. Self-flattery never sounds convincing to others.

Euro's??? You'd better ask for Deutsche Marks.

Poor Injuns. Boo-hoo. :(

Meh, they got fire water, casinos and tax-free cigarettes! :D

Lol, that's going to be the "coin of the realm" alright.

and live better than most of us

If you can claim any Seminole indian heritage you get a monthly stipend of $10,000. Playboy had an article on it a couple of years ago.

...so if you're 1/16 Seminole you get $10k. 1/4 you get more , etc.

yes the mark just might come back and the fourth Reich, the Germans will be the winner of euro collapse but Poland will be in good standings as well

I always thought you were a man. Thing is many of us here in Poland know each other i can vouch for many members on this site as they can for me. We drink beer together we visit each others houses we take plane trips. You on the other hand well you really are just words on a screen, arent you a Polish immigrant anyway? Ohh the irony......


He sounds more realistic and more American like than you.

Poland has only suffered insofar as there has been a general increase in the risk of inward investment. Poland steered a very clear and successful path for a long time but I fear that it too will be taken off down the path of loans and instability. I was discussing the Irish predicament the other day. The Celtic Tiger was very strong but has floundered due to external and, indeed, internal forces. Poland has attracted a lot of new business and secured some long-term contracts so I don't think an external whack is due for some time yet.