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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


Rich Mazur 4 | 3,309
28 Jan 2020 #1,321
Maybe if Polish people liked guns more, Poland would not be off the map for almost two centuries.

That, in my opinion, was brilliant.
Miloslaw 8 | 3,125
28 Jan 2020 #1,322
They did back then, it got them nowhere......my families house was like a military arsenal.
You know what they got for that?
Three years in Siberia......
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,714
28 Jan 2020 #1,323
Unless you're hunting bears .338 is way overkill. And hunting rifles in general aren't good for home/personal defense unless you're like living in the country and defending against wild life.

@johnny reb
It depends on the Polish house. If it's one of those old commie era homes with 1/2 a meter of concrete, it won't go through. But the modern homes that are just wood framing and drywall, yeah it'll cut through the whole house.
Joker 2 | 1,717
28 Jan 2020 #1,324
And hunting rifles in general aren't good for home/personal defense

Nothing better than a sawn off double barrel shotgun:)
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,714
28 Jan 2020 #1,325
Absolutely. IMO best defense for vehicle too. Check out the mossberg shockwave. That's the closest thing you can get to a sawn-off that's legal.

I have a .380 for self-defense. I like it because it's a powerful round esp with high grain ammo and it's small enough to fit in any pocket.
Spike31 2 | 2,098
29 Jan 2020 #1,326
Sporting ? That thing is a cannon and it is a very heavy gun (6 kg) to carry around all day hunting.

I can see now where this confusion is coming from.

What you think that I'm getting is this:

bit.ly/2GwM4t4

While in fact what I'm getting is this (from a Polish retailer):

gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/84463
johnny reb 28 | 5,248
29 Jan 2020 #1,327
Please post a picture of that gun.
That should stop the stupid off - topic chatter here.
What kind of game are you going to hunt with it there in England ?
Grizzly bear and elephant ?

Thanks for your grounded input so we can stay more On-Topic here.

Because if we don't the Mods are going to close this thread too.
Spike31 2 | 2,098
29 Jan 2020 #1,328
What kind of game are you going to hunt with it there in England ?

Not in England. I live in both countries: Poland and England. The rifle will stay in Poland
johnny reb 28 | 5,248
29 Jan 2020 #1,329
Now I understand as Poland has some very large game animals.
Your 338 lapua mag. compares to our 300 Winchester mag. that we use for elk, moose and grizzly bear.
Do a lot of people hunt in Poland as I see it is a very expensive sport there.
The Mouflon look very tasty.
I think people in Poland would support ownership of hunting rifles with a capacity of five rounds or less.
I do agree, handguns are not needed in Poland.
mafketis 24 | 9,351
29 Jan 2020 #1,330
Do a lot of people hunt in Poland

pzlow.pl/

Getting a hunters license isn't that easy - there's also hunting tourism (with hunters from other countries esp Germany and the Netherlands)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
29 Jan 2020 #1,331
Right now every, mentally stable, adult man can join WOT

Anyone mentally stable would stay well away from WOT.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,269
29 Jan 2020 #1,332
We just do not have the American knowledge and love of guns that you Americans have.

Totally agree here. America has a different history and tradition which in itself are sufficient for not transplanting their gun culture to Poland or Europe. Also, if we had relaxed our gun law, I'm sure we would surely experience a mass shooting sooner or later here in Poland. There are enough crank people in Poland who may well pass as normal in front of any commission. Strangely enough for an American, people in Poland feel much safer when they don't carry a gun with them compared to when they do. Having a gun may be fine for someone who feels endangered and then a licence may be issued for him and he would feel safer with the gun. But not the rest of us - people of Poland.

if we forget your sexism

You should add 'racism' and 'nationalism' to this as well as 'this incurable disease of yours which makes you believe that everyone who didn't leave Poland in the 1990s is a Soviet'.
Ironside 50 | 10,934
29 Jan 2020 #1,333
people in Poland feel much safer when they don't carry a gun with them compared to when they do

Talk for yourself.
Beside it doesn't has to be the American system transplanted to Poland. It wouldn't work. However a system that would let people to own guns would be something that is given in Poland.

You should add

Yep, It is given that Soviets like you would say that.
johnny reb 28 | 5,248
29 Jan 2020 #1,334
- there's also hunting tourism

I researched that and found it extremely expensive for the ordinary joe.
I also saw how the outfitters for these hunts in Poland 'rent' you a gun to use.
Much different where I live where most people hunt on millions of acres of public land with their personal gun, bow or crossbow.
Here in Michigan we harvest about 650,000 deer per season for food, (Government beef)
All you need is an over the counter $15 hunting license.
Spike31 2 | 2,098
29 Jan 2020 #1,335
Do a lot of people hunt in Poland as I see it is a very expensive sport there.

As far a I know there're over 120k registered hunters and close to 3k hunting clubs in Poland.
Hunters in Poland are a fraternity and hunting is more of a group activity than solo hunting.

The licence itself is not that expensive (under 1000pln) + small annual contribution to your chosen hunting club. A proper rifle, scopes, equipment, clothing etc. are much more expensive. There's also an optional additional hunter's insurance.

To become a member you need to have a clear criminal record and be accepted by a hunting club which is not done automatically, they have to allow you to join in. And you also have a one year trail period and have pass two tests: knwoledge test and shooting range test.

So it is easier to become a Witcher than to become a hunter in Poland :-)

Darz bór!
mafketis 24 | 9,351
29 Jan 2020 #1,336
it extremely expensive for the ordinary joe.

Hunters in Poland have to be licensed and part of that is active guardianship of the land and animals, Polish forests are not considered to be meat lockers to exploit...
Ironside 50 | 10,934
29 Jan 2020 #1,337
However a system that would let people to own guns would be something that is given in Poland.

What I meant:
A system that would take into account Poland's specific cincrumctnces and at the same time would give an access to guns as many people as practicable. In my opinion that would mean all mentally sound law abiding citizens with a balanced peroneal cincrumctnces. Obviously those who want to own a gun.

Hunting my foot. Not that many people want to hunt. Most just would like to own a gun just because... and why not?
Tacitus 2 | 1,228
29 Jan 2020 #1,338
Because you dont give guns to people who dont need them. At best they are useless, and at worst could be used to commit a crime or kill someone by accident.
Spike31 2 | 2,098
29 Jan 2020 #1,339
Because you dont give guns to people who dont need them

It is better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,309
29 Jan 2020 #1,340
Because you dont give guns to people who dont need them.

You don't need life insurance, either. Especially life insurance since YOU will NEVER need it.
Tacitus 2 | 1,228
29 Jan 2020 #1,341
It is better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

We are talking about cases where those people dont have any need for a gun.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,309
29 Jan 2020 #1,342
I am so happy to know that you live where nobody has a knife and there are no home invasions. We are not so lucky.

BTW, where is your heaven?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,714
29 Jan 2020 #1,343
Because you dont give guns to people who dont need them. At best they are useless, and at worst could be used to commit

You can swap out the word "guns" for knives, cars, baseball bats, and any number of things that aren't necessarily needed but can be used to commit crimes and kill people.

If someone wants to buy a gun and can't legally acquire it they're going to get it one way or another or use a different easily accessible weapon. Take a look at United Kaliphate as an example. Guns are all but banned basically. Even most cops don't carry guns (no wonder the africants and paki rape squads don't fear the uk police). Yet it's not difficult to acquire a firearm illegally. It just costs a lot of money - 2k-3k pounds for a cheap handgun, usually a glock or colt knock-off made in the Phillipines or locally. Even with those bans guns are easy to get basically anywhere in the world. Hell now you can even make your own with a 3D printer. And of course if a person doesn't have several grand to drop on an illegal gun, they can use a car, knife, etc. to harm people anyway. London managed to have more murders for a while last year than NYC - and that was mostly with melee weapons.
Tacitus 2 | 1,228
29 Jan 2020 #1,344
Yes, yes, you are living in a lawless jungle where everybody needs a gun. ;)

that aren't necessarily needed but can be used to commit crimes and kill people.

But those items serve other purposes than just killing.

[3d printer]

One guy recently tried to use it when he attacked a synogogue. His gun repeatedly jammed, which saved a lot of guys. Make it more difficult for psychos to get weapons, and they are less likely to get them.
Lyzko 29 | 7,257
29 Jan 2020 #1,345
Yup, sounds just like the US.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,714
29 Jan 2020 #1,346
Yes, yes, you are living in a lawless jungle where everybody needs a gun. ;)

If European women were able to arm themselves the rapefugees and paki rape squads wouldn't be so brazen. You wouldn't of had sexual assaults skyrocket in Germany, Sweden, etc.

rapefugees.net/ - this is the new multi-kulti w europe where literally every single day vibrant turd worlder forces his pillar of islam on a native european woman, where economic migrants culturally enrich a baby's face by masturbating on it....
johnny reb 28 | 5,248
29 Jan 2020 #1,347
Yup, sounds just like the US.

But this thread is not about the U.S.
It is about supporting gun legislation in Poland.
As far as gun crime in the U.S. it is pretty much limited to ten Democratic run cities.
Ironside 50 | 10,934
29 Jan 2020 #1,348
Because you dont give guns to people who dont need them.

People can decide for themselves whether or not they need or want a gun.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,309
29 Jan 2020 #1,349
Hey, Euro weasels, do yourself a favor and spell out in plain English what exact steps you would take at 2 am when awaken by the sound of broken glass, strange voices, and the footsteps on the stairway toward your bedroom where you and wife are now wide awake.

I have zero doubt - which means that I am 100% sure - what JR, Dirk, Joker, and I would do. None. Which is understandable since we do not have your polish and sophistication.

If you decide to satisfy my curiosity, I beg you, do not insult me with a 911 call. Just don't mention it since you have only 15 seconds before you are dead, and another 10 before your wife is raped and her throat slashed. Please notice that I wrote "slashed" to reflect the fact that the bad guys in Europe never use guns.

For your convenience,

Step 1:
Step 2:
Step 3:
Tacitus 2 | 1,228
29 Jan 2020 #1,350
You might as well ask me what I would do if I were to meet a shark while swimming in a local river. I mean it can happen, but should people carry harpoons when they go for a swim? Burglaries where people are in the house exceedingly rare, and you are more likely confuse your late arriving child with a burglar and shoot him. Owning guns for self defense is stupid. You either have it lying around where it is easily accessible, thus accidents happen with it, or you have it safely in a box, so you can't reach it in time. If you have a gun that you csn reach within 15 seconds, you are one of those guys who got shot at a supermarket because your child grabbed the gun. You claim that you have guns for defending your family, but you are more likely to harm them with it. And that leaves out that your family is also more likely to become victims of mass shootings.

which means that I am 100% sure - what JR, Dirk, Joker,

Let's be real here. People always claim that they would react like Bruce Willis. The truth is, if you start shooting, you will probably hit your loved rather than the assailant. Always funny when untrained civilians claim that they would do just fine in such a situation. Even trained police officers have often trouble in such stressful situations.

rapefugees.net/

Not that you ever cared for facts, but that website has long been debunked.

web.archive.org/web/20190111100913/spiegel.de/international/germany/is-there-truth-to-refugee-sex-offense-reports-a-1186734.html


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