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Medical Malpractice in Poland - seeking accountability?


PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #31
He's a specialist and from his main job in a state hospital makes less than 3000zl.

Yes, but he lives in a place called the 'real world'.

If only you could read Polish language !

Who says we can't? Jonny certainly can. I can often muddle through texts.

Why the lies, polonmed/Moania? Are you incapable of being truthful?

According to the PMs she sends me, she is incapable of being faithful to her husband (hence those highly amusing photos on that website).
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #32
You "dirty" Harry - I think you have got a major problem with your brain , seriously . Take more sedatives ,please , then you will not be hallucinating .
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #33
Take more sedatives ,please , then you will not be hallucinating .

Only if you go to sleep. I think you meant Anti-hallucinogens.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
21 Oct 2011 #34
You "dirty" Harry - I think you have got a major problem with your brain , seriously .

Polonmeds/Moania, do you think posts like that strengthen your 'argument'?
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #35
magpie

to sleep.

I meant exactly to put him to sleep . That`s the least harmful way to get rid of him .
southern 75 | 7,096
21 Oct 2011 #36
What solutions have you found out for Harry's case?What cocktails do you propose?
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #37
This guy has lost his argument when taking to me , that`s why he starts hallucinations .
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #38
Take more sedatives ,please

Can I borrow the ones which you slip into the drinks of your victims while they aren't looking?
polmed 1 | 216
21 Oct 2011 #39
(hence those highly amusing photos on that website

I put this photo on purpose for you to see how highly I get amused by your unattainable level of ridiculousness.
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #40
What cocktails do you propose?

Long Island Iced Tea can be good when done well.
A coffee martini can be taught to any barman anywhere.
A proper Bloody Mary works wonders with hangovers!

I put this photo on purpose for you to see how highly I get amused by your unattainable level of ridiculousness.

Sure thing Sanrise, of course you did. And that's why you used a different username there than either of your ones here.
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #41
I had a look at the statistics, and it's about now that there should be some totally irrelevant reference to Serbia. Followed by a complete breakdown in the original topic.

But regardless of that:

. She and her nursing friends feel bad when people offer money as you don't become a nurse for money, if they did they would leave for the UK.

That's a good point. And for people with integrity it must be really condescending. We were at the hospital today and the staff were great. The nurses were absolutely fantastic. The oncologist was really good too.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
21 Oct 2011 #42
It's a shame. I remember about 5 years ago the nurses in the Lodz voivodstwo weren't paid in the several months up to Christmas. They are dedicated professionals but they were living off donations put into collection buckets. No wonder the nurses strike was so big.
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #43
...5 years ago the nurses in the Lodz voivodstwo weren't paid in the several months up to Christmas

I just asked my mrs about that one of the grievances the nurses have is that unlike the doctors, their pensions are abysmal. Teachers are in the same boat. So much so that I've suggested to her that she stops her pension contributions and we use the money to buy lottery tickets each month. She thought I was joking.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
21 Oct 2011 #44
use the money to buy lottery tickets each month. She thought I was joking.

My wife is smart enough to decide that lottery tickets are a better investment than smoking.
PWEI 3 | 612
21 Oct 2011 #45
A weekly purchase of two bottles of decent whiskey and a carton of cigarettes works out a lot cheaper than a pension and is more enjoyable too.
OP Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
21 Oct 2011 #46
the other thing that's important is discipline, discipline starts to fall apart when motivation is low. There are many things which can damage motivation in any profession. One thing I witnessed is the lack of discipline in one ward with cleanliness and access. Too many people think that because they want to be in some part of the hospital that that is reason enough. And it isn't, anyone in a fragile state is completely at the mercy of which bacteria and/or germs others happen to bring in.
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #47
A good example and as observed in the NHS with the outsourcing of cleaning services, which has been a disaster.
hythorn 3 | 580
21 Oct 2011 #48
only because the nurses were chasing bullshit degrees and got so far up their own arses rather than breaking out the carbolic

UK nurses became too posh to wash

Some of you guys tell stories from middle ages . It is not today`s Poland, doctors make salaries 15000 -30000 zł a month . They really don`t need your gifts .

she is absolutely right

gynaecologists are raking it in and probably earning more than gynaecologists in the UK

no wonder the hospitals are up to their tits in debt
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #49
UK nurses became too posh to wash

Ain't that the truth. We had a nurse as a neighbour and she was right dirty. eh? eh?

She also commented on the the fact the the outsourcing cleaning agencies, then subcontracted to other, smaller, frequently flybynight cleaning agencies. So, it was nothing unusual to have three or four different faces turn up over the course of a week, all needing to be shown where everything was, but not caring, as they knew they'd never be back.

I had an operation about ten years ago, and on the first day the shower in the 6-bed ward was splattered with blood. It was still the same on the third day when I left. And they were full of their own self importance.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
21 Oct 2011 #50
UK nurses became too posh to wash

God knows where you have been...
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #51
Some woman was on R4 the other week, she might have been the director of the institute of nursing from memory, and she acknowledged about how many nurses, are not ready to do the job once qualified, as there is heehaw practical work in their degree programme and they they lack the ability to do practical tasks when unleashed.

Too ill-trained to wash?
peterweg 37 | 2,319
21 Oct 2011 #52
only because the nurses were chasing bull**** degrees and got so far up their own arses rather than breaking out the carbolic

Polish Nurses all have to do a degree, the wife is now doing a Masters degree, which means 5 years of study. A nurse is not a cleaner edit .

as there is heehaw practical work in their degree programme and they they lack the ability to do practical tasks when unleashed.

Polish student nurses do **** load of practical work and they are tested on it. They don't have summer holidays and study/work the entire year, 12-14 hour days are not unusual.

I once had a girlfriend who was a nurse and she was positively filthy.

Thats my mother, sister and wife you are talking about. Although possibly accurate.
hythorn 3 | 580
21 Oct 2011 #53
A nurse is not a cleaner edit

kindly re-read my post
I was referring to English nurses being too posh to wash

I am aware that there are hospital nurses, cleaners and porters in both Poland and England

However the attention to the personal hygiene of the patient in the UK has been criticised by the Royal College of Nursing
Here is a link:

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1461504/Young-nurses-too-posh-to-wash.html

The incidences of MRSA in Polish hospitals is lower than in the UK

edit
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
21 Oct 2011 #54
The incidences of MRSA in Polish hospitals is lower than in the UK

I'm taking a punt at this, but I'm guessing the care of the elderly is a lot lower in Polish hospitals than in the UK.
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #55
Do you think?

The MIL recently went to the sanatorium for two weeks and got the works: exercises, massages, sauna etc. She loved it and came back jumping out of her skin. Never heard of that in the UK, but I might be wrong.
hythorn 3 | 580
21 Oct 2011 #56
it is a tricky one

I know that getting admitted to a Polish hospital is 'easier' than in the UK
in the UK, you need to be on death's door to get admitted to a hospital

in addition, Poles appear to be more respectful towards the elderly. Giving up seats on trams,
I have not heard of granny dumping, not battering old ladies for their pension books etc

I would have thought than for an elderly person to get admitted to hospital would be relatively easy
and once there I would have thought that they would have been well looked after
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
21 Oct 2011 #57
Never heard of that in the UK, but I might be wrong.

Depends wholly on the patient. Many of mine do, more of a recreation than a cure but every little helps. Hydro-baths ect. I once had a psych patient who we used to send for a massage 3 times a week, until we found out exactly why he was so happy going. Never seen a grown man lose all faith in the world after we stopped that :D

Do you think?

Well, care homes ect from my experience are quite rare in Poland and the 2 I visited when I first came to Krk shocked me enough to think that I would never work in healthcare in PL. But it also means that there is a huge section in the market for decent 24hr nursing care in PL. Just as long as the doctor who sends his patient for nursing home care isn't the same doctor who actually owns the place.
magpie 6 | 133
21 Oct 2011 #58
isn't the same doctor who actually owns the place.

Haha! No, but it was her nephew who said she 'needed' to go. I didn't see the place, but the mrs said it was fantastic. Then again, yardsticks and all that.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
21 Oct 2011 #59
I was referring to English nurses being too posh to wash

Yeah, and its sounded like Daily Mail bollocks.

I'm taking a punt at this, but I'm guessing the care of the elderly is a lot lower in Polish hospitals than in the UK.

Most of the elderly die quite young in Poland.
hythorn 3 | 580
22 Oct 2011 #60
if you bothered to read the article you would see the source comes from the Royal College of Nursing annual congress


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