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Citizenship of Poland can be obtained through the blood line but my ancestor could lose it in the past


delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
25 Sep 2012 #31
I know very complicated family history...but I did read somewhere a Polish citizen need permission from the Polish government to gain foreign citizenship?

Under the 1951 Act (which is what you should start with) - no.

A relevant question - did your grandfather have a Canadian passport at any time before 1962?
OP Davey 13 | 388
25 Sep 2012 #32
A relevant question - did your grandfather have a Canadian passport at any time before 1962?

I believe he did
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
25 Sep 2012 #33
Well I want my mother to get it as this is her grandfather who is from Poland, and then I'd apply after...

I'm Polish born to Polish parents so in a sense I was born with it, even though I now live in the US.
The law says: A child acquires Polish citizenship by birth when:
1. Both parents are Polish citizens, or
2. One of the parents is a Polish citizen and the other is unknown or his/her citizenship is undefined or if he/she holds no citizenship.

So I guess children born in Poland to foreign parents are not Polish citizens by birth!?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
25 Sep 2012 #34
I believe he did

There's your disqualification right there, unfortunately.
OP Davey 13 | 388
25 Sep 2012 #35
I'm just trying to get all the documents together that I can and then we'll see....this situation is definitely not black and white
Harry
25 Sep 2012 #36
That's exactly right PennBoy. I know kids in Warsaw who were born in Poland to parents who have never left Poland but are not Polish citizens and don't qualify for Polish citizenship.
sa11y 5 | 331
26 Sep 2012 #37
PennBoy, I don't think pt 2 is still valid. My son was born to a British dad (citizenship known and defined) and still qualifies for Polish citizenship because I'm Polish.
men
7 May 2014 #38
i am in middle of the process to get polish citizenship through my grandfather and i got a negative answer through a attorney in Poland would you be able to help me in this case?

my paternal grandfather was born on 14.01.1926, in Zdunska-Wola, Poland (i have a copy of his birth registration) and emigrated from Poland to Israel in 1934 with his parents, he was on his fathers passport which we still have the original.

he acquired foreign citizenship 1948-1950 he did not serve in the foreign army (confirmed by letter of the Israeli army)

he got married in 1951, Jerusalem Israel

my father was born in 1957, in Jerusalem Israel

he did not serve in the foreign army (confirmed by letter of the Israeli army)

he got married i in 1984, in Jerusalem Israel

my grandfather's parents got married on 19.01.1923

when did your grandfather's father acquire foreign citizenship?

now after providing all supporting document the refused to grant because i didn't know how to find out if and what he worked until 1951?

will you able to help me on this occasion?
Monitor 14 | 1,820
7 May 2014 #39
would you be able to help me in this case?

Two posters contributing to this topic were banned, so I guess nobody will help you. Note, that sometimes it's worth to start sentence with capital letter. Perhaps you could find some professionals helping in this matter in google: google.de/search?q=pomoc+prawna+w+uzyskaniu+polskiego+obywatelstwa
Dont gag me yo 7 | 156
8 May 2014 #40
will you able to help me on this occasion?

My friend better seek professional help then on a forum.....here they might tell you what there brain thinks is correct and what google answers.Lots of good professional attorneys around who can guide you better.
Harry
8 May 2014 #41
i am in middle of the process to get polish citizenship through my grandfather and i got a negative answer through a attorney in Poland would you be able to help me in this case?

Nobody can: you do not qualify for Polish citizenship.

he acquired foreign citizenship 1948-1950

Doing that lost him his Polish citizenship. Have a look at the Act on Polish citizenship of 8 January 1951:

SECTION 1
Polish Citizens Art. 1. A Polish citizen cannot be a citizen of another state at the same time.
....
SECTION 3
Loss of Polish Citizenship
Art. 11.
1. A Polish citizen is permitted to obtain foreign citizenship only after receiving the consent of Polish authorities.
....
5. Obtaining foreign citizenship (art 1-4) leads to the loss of Polish citizenship.

Given that your grandfather almost certainly did not get permission to take Israeli citizenship, he lost his Polish citizenship when he did that.

Sorry but you'd be wasting money on a lawyer in this case.
Monitor 14 | 1,820
8 May 2014 #42
1800 Israelis who left Poland after war or in 60' applied for confirmation of Polish citizenship to Dolny Śląsk voivodship office between January and October 2013. The number of applicants rises every year.

They also mention that those Jews had to renounce their Polish citizenship, but now that renouncing is considered illegal, so ineffective.
Harry
8 May 2014 #43
Yes, I'm aware that it is now possible for those who were forced to renounce their citizenship in order to leave Poland to reclaim their citizenship. However, somebody who left Poland in 1934 would not have been forced to renounce their Polish citizenship.

Although I suppose that it could be conceivably possible that the gentleman's grandfather had his Polish citizenship taken away by operation of the March 1938 law on Polish citizenship. I really don't know if that law was entirely enforced. Also, if he did have it taken away and thus could it, he'd lose it again on the basis that in 1948-1950 he took Israeli citizenship and thus lost his claim to Polish citizenship.
grspring 11 | 56
23 May 2014 #44
My wife was asked to prove that her father (a Polish WWII veteran and Russian POW) did not take British citizenship after being sent there during the war. Fortunately we have his travel documents and allot of other documentation that show he was a still a Polish citizen when he came to the United States. We think the process would have been easier if done in Warsaw. The information requested by the embassy in New York was not fully accepted by Warsaw, which asked for more documentation/information. Without my father-in-laws diaries, commendations, travel orders with the official raised seals we would have a hard time disproving a negative question, i.e. proving he was not a British citizen. Each request takes time and now we are working against the deadline before we end up at the back of the line and have to start the process over from the beginning.
Peter 3 | 247
7 Jun 2014 #45
My father was part of the 24th Lancers in 1939 and stayed in the UK after the end of the war. He became a naturalized UK citizen in 1957. I recently sent my documents to the Polish embassy in Caracas querying if I was entitled to Polish citizenship and they replied confirming that I was so entitled. I have to go to Warsaw to lodge my application. Not bad, 3 passports!


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