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Buying a car in Poland for export


kfuglsang 4 | 5
9 Aug 2011 #1
I am currently in Warsaw for the next 2 weeks and I have found a car which I would like to buy and export back to DK. The car is situated in an Auto Komis.

How should I go on about this situation? Which papers should I get from the dealer?

Do I need to get new temporary license plates when I buy the car here, or can I just drive it home on the ones that are on the car?

How about insurance until I get back to DK?

Thanks in advance
Kenneth
Dommie B.
9 Aug 2011 #2
I'd check with the Danish authorities what papers you need, and yes, temporary insurance is available.
OP kfuglsang 4 | 5
9 Aug 2011 #3
Will there be license plates on the car when I buy it?

Preferably, I would drive the car from the dealer to a friend's garage until I will be back in PL.

Are there such a thing as temporary and/or export license plates?
Bamboosel - | 8
13 Feb 2012 #4
Merged: Buying a car from poland, Help needed!

Hello people!
I'm traveling to poland next summer with my friends and I'm looking for some assistance on a subject that we have been plondering.

Is it possible for a foreigner (eu citizen) to buy a car from poland and have somekind of insurance on it and drive it away from poland?

We've had this idea of a roadtrip from poland to tallinn and when we reach tallinn we had the idea of destroying the car in some local scrapyard. How would this work in terms of taxation of polish cars and the fakt that the car would never been used again.

FYI We're also intrested in buying an old automobile eg. Lada 1200 that would be legal and liable throughout the roadtrip... PM/me if you could assist!

THANK YOU!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
13 Feb 2012 #5
Is it possible for a foreigner (eu citizen) to buy a car from poland and have somekind of insurance on it and drive it away from poland?

Basically : no.

It is possible, but not easy or doable within any sort of short timescale.
Bamboosel - | 8
13 Feb 2012 #6
Well we have time, but we need a reliable contact. We're coming in 2012 july so we have the time to operate during this spring, but the nasty part is that we're unable to be there to sign papers nore documents so: If someone is having a old cheap but working car for sale, we are intrested in case the someone would help us to get the vehicle legally out of poland. How bout them temporary plates + green card?

The car would be taken of the polish register...

And if someone would have any polish used car websites I'd appreciate any input, because I'm finding it hard to scavenge thru every website in polish. Do you guys have anything close to eg. autoscout or other? Just to take a look, if it's even worth the pain of finding a affordable used old junk but still reliable car from poland. The drviving away part isn't that hard I'd think...
Richfilth 6 | 415
13 Feb 2012 #7
You'd be in a grey area of the law. You can buy the car under an umowa kupno-sprzedaz (buy-sell contract) and legally become the car owner. All cars in Poland must be insured at all times, so any car you buy must have insurance, and any policy is continued for 30 days upon sale to the new owner, so as long as you bought the car close to your trip to Talinn, that would be ok too.

The ex owner would de-register himself as the owner of the car, and that's where the grey area comes in. You're legally obliged to register yourself as the new car owner, but without all the Polish paperwork you need (residency, registered address, PESEL) you won't be able to do that. However, if your passport number is on the umowa, and you're stopped by the police, and you have the old owner's copy of the car docs, then you'll be fine with the Police - I drove my first car around like that for two years while I tried to get all the paperwork arranged legally, and the police didn't have any problems with it.

Just make sure the contract has a sale price of less than 900zl, so there's no tax due to the Polish authorities, and make sure the car is properly destroyed in Talinn; if you leave it on the side of the road, the police WILL come after you.

If you want an old piece of junk, your one and only website is allegro.pl:

allegro.pl/listing.php/search?sg=0&string=lada&category=149
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
13 Feb 2012 #8
However, if your passport number is on the umowa, and you're stopped by the police, and you have the old owner's copy of the car docs, then you'll be fine with the Police

Would you want to test this with the police in different countries, though?

I wonder - are you allowed to scrap a car if you aren't the legal owner on the documents? I can't imagine that the Estonians would be too happy to deal with a situation like this.
Richfilth 6 | 415
14 Feb 2012 #9
Would you want to test this with the police in different countries, though?

I have done so, many times. They're more confused by the language than anything else. I don't advocate breaking the law, of course, but if you have the umowa then you are the owner; the crime is not registering the car at your address (which you don't have anyway).

I did all this six years ago for the Mongol Rally, and I helped another team do the same thing. The cars were eventually destroyed in the country of their final resting place...

The end of the Syrena
Bamboosel - | 8
14 Feb 2012 #10
Here in finland one can return the licenseplates and drive around on temporary plates. Is there anything close to this?
So, If we had the umowa and we go to a place to give back the licenseplates, wich in finland means stopping the taxation of the car would we be able to get a set of temporary plates and buy a greencard?

Because of the temporarity we're making it to tallinn in 3days and demolishing the car in a legal local scrapyard, everything legal, because I'm not intrested in getting arrested by any police just because I had a hell of a vacation.
Richfilth 6 | 415
14 Feb 2012 #11
Basically, the only people who can do things legally in Poland are people who legally live in Poland. If you don't have Polish paperwork, then you're breaking one of Poland's million "laws".

But don't worry about it. Just come over, buy the car and take it out of the country ASAP. You won't have any problems.

If you want to do things 100% legally, it will take you MONTHS.
Harry
14 Feb 2012 #12
Because of the temporarity we're making it to tallinn in 3days

You're planning to spend three days driving from Poland to Tallinn? Why not just rent a car in Poland and make sure you get the kind of insurance which lets you just walk away with no liability?
Bamboosel - | 8
15 Feb 2012 #13
The three days was an example, because I'm not sure of our plans for the baltics.
But as far as I've been told there are no temporary plates in poland? That makes my life a little harder.
Rental car isn't an option because the extra fee for leaving the car somewhere else than the country it was hired from is just unbelieveable, we tried that as our first option. (under 25yrs male)

So how are the polish cars registered? Is it done by the same place where you take cars for MOT?
How bout if the car is garaged, are the numberplates taken back to the officials? And if they are, how can one move the car, are there temporary plates? The fact is that the origin of the car is polish but it will be estonian a "few" hours later, so some temporary arrangement should be possible...

Eg. A finn buys a car from germany, takes it of the german registry, gets somekind of a temporary driving permit for it and drives the car thru europe to finland and at the finnish border fills a few documents and lays out the ownerchange documents and the finnish officials would give the car a "red" licenseplate until the car is given its tax. The red plates cost like 15€/day
Richfilth 6 | 415
15 Feb 2012 #14
Poland doesn't have anything like that.

Cars are registered to an address, and all car registration documents are processed by the Town Hall in that area. This means that the capital has a dozen offices for processing car data, and none of them agree on how to do it. There's no one office that stores all the car details in Poland.

When the car is sold, the new owner drives the car to the town hall in HIS town, removes the plates of the car, and takes them inside. If he's lucky, the plates are replaced with new local plates, and he will receive a new driver's book (with the car details) in 28 days or less. At the same time, the seller takes the sale contract to HIS town office, and de-registers his ownership of the car.

So the plates stay on the car when it's sold (unlike Germany). They only come off when the new owner registers his ownership of the car in Poland. You won't be doing that, because you don't have an official Polish address. And when you consider how many Lith, Lat and Estonians buy used cars from Poland and cross the border with them, you won't be doing anything new, special or dangerous. Stop worrying.
g r u b a s
15 Feb 2012 #15
We've had this idea of a roadtrip from poland to tallinn and when we reach tallinn we had the idea of destroying the car in some local scrapyard.

Don't worry,just buy a car and as long as it's insured you are good.Sometimes the seller will give you proof of insurance with the car so don't even need to buy insurance until it expire.What kind of car are you looking for?I might help but I am in Central Poland.
Bamboosel - | 8
15 Feb 2012 #16
We're looking for a old relic :D A 124 or 123 mercedes or a old Lada or Shiguli(don't know how it's written) something old, robust, cheap and quite liable. We're dreaming of a epic roadtrip. Kinda like driving thru the states via route 66 with a buick. Old american go allso by the way
Richfilth 6 | 415
15 Feb 2012 #17
I've had an old Mercedes W123; you really want the petrol version or the 300D - DON'T buy a 200D or 240D, the power is so pathetic you will not make it out of Poland.

The Zhiguli is known as the Lada 2103, but Poland had its own superior version, the Fiat 125p. You will find thousands of these very cheaply, and they outperform the Lada (just) while being very easy to fix at the same time. You won't find old American cars here, but there's plenty of communist rubbish around, including the FSO Polonez. the Lada Samara, the ZAZ Tavria and Poland's Baby, the Fiat 126p.

You will find all of these cars just rusting by the side of the street in Poland, so they're very cheap:

sticksout.blogspot.com/2010/04/vaz-2104-lada-riva-estate.html
Harry
15 Feb 2012 #18
the FSO Polonez.

I'd very strongly advise against one of those. The only positive thing about them is the chance the passengers have (relative to other vehicles from their era) to not die in an accident. However, the way they handle (i.e. they don't) and the way they stop (same) means that having an accident is highly likely. The only thing they are good for is playing conkers with.
grubas 12 | 1,391
15 Feb 2012 #19
DON'T buy a 200D or 240D, the power is so pathetic you will not make it out of Poland.

Not true.My bro just bought 87 200D a week ago for 2000 PLN and she runs like a dream.(well,almost as glow plugs relay went down yeasterday).

I'd very strongly advise against one of those.

BS dude, your points apply to Caro and older Polonez but Atu and Plus handles and stops just like any other car.Good thing about the older Poldek is that you can fix it on the road with a piece of wire and stocking.(I have done that).

We're looking for a old relic :D A 124 or 123 mercedes or a old Lada or Shiguli(don't know how it's written) something old, robust, cheap and quite liable.

If you want to come over to Central Poland I can hook you up with some machine.
Harry
15 Feb 2012 #20
Atu and Plus handles and stops just like any other car.

Or at least like any other car the production of which first started in 1978....
grubas 12 | 1,391
15 Feb 2012 #21
Yeah,you think you are a ******* expert on everything?You are not.Atu and Plus compared to Caro and older models are wider,have Bosch injection system,Lucas breaks,improved suspention system and hydraulic pwr steering.
Harry
15 Feb 2012 #22
Yes, I should have said "as any car which was first produced in 1978 as just a rebodied version of a design first produced in 1967."
grubas 12 | 1,391
15 Feb 2012 #23
No,you should have said "as any car which was RE DESIGNED in 1994".

but Poland had its own superior version, the Fiat 125p. You will find thousands of these

Find where?Maybe at the junkyards as these cars are already rare and the taken care of ones are more expensive than newer western cars.
Richfilth 6 | 415
15 Feb 2012 #24
Mikrus is rare. A working Syrena is rare. A 125p is not rare at all, and you can find clean, working examples on allegro for 1500zl.

"as any car which was first produced in 1978 as just a rebodied version of a design first produced in 1967."

125p is a lot more than a rebodied 124. No, it's not a modern car but many Fiat 132 owners upgrade their cars with 125p parts.

Either way, bickering isn't what this thread needs. These Finnish guys want to have an adventure, and you don't have adventures in reasonably-priced well-equipped diesel Passats.

Bamboosel, I think you should buy a Zuk
grubas 12 | 1,391
15 Feb 2012 #25
Bamboosel, I think you should buy a Zuk

It will take them like 2 weeks or something to reach Latvia.
teflcat 5 | 1,032
15 Feb 2012 #26
These Finnish guys want to have an adventure

My first car in Poland was a £ada Samara (Sputnik, actually) and it was certainly an adventure. I spent most of my time, not to mention money, at the mechanic's. You name it, it went wrong. The only good thing I can say about it is that it always started, +/- 30 C.
Harry
15 Feb 2012 #27
A 125p is not rare at all, and you can find clean, working examples on allegro for 1500zl.

otomoto.pl/fiat-125p-do-remontu-odbudowy-C22875901.html 1,100zl (i.e. a thousand in cash) for a 1990 with LPG conversion.

Bamboosel, I think you should buy a Zuk

Good call. otomoto.pl/zuk-inny-zuk-blaszak-C22766371.html 1,800zl for a 1996 with side windows
allegro.pl/zuk-a07-h-i2121406497.html2,500 for a 1998 that looks fairly good!
teflcat 5 | 1,032
15 Feb 2012 #28
1,100zl (i.e. a thousand in cash) for a 1990 with LPG conversion

I've got one in the yard, and if the OP wants it in a couple of months, he can take it away with my compliments.
grubas 12 | 1,391
15 Feb 2012 #29
A 125p is not rare at all, and you can find clean, working examples on allegro for 1500zl.

Yeah,49 on Allegro today but did you see asking prices?Very few for 1500 PLN.
Bamboosel - | 8
15 Feb 2012 #30
You guys are getting the hang of what we're looking for, a running eastern relic that would be "legal" (easy) to drive out of the country. A mediocre passat isn't just scratching the itch that we're having.

We found the 125p a quite impressive option. Zuk is impressive allso, but I'm quite skeptic of the zuk running and accelerating to 40km/h in time for tallinn?

How bout those cars that have been taken off the registration? "garaged" Am I able to move one around with umowa and kupno-sprzedaz?

So if you could keep eyes open for legal and running old eastern relics I'd appreciate the input and I promise to buy a round in Krakow for the ones that helped us out on this bound to be epic roadtrip!

Much love guys!
What does this mean "Na gazie i na beznynie je┼║dzi." ?
There are some words that translate as in "toasted and bonfire" and I think that they've got something to do with the engine firing up and running rather than burning and being burnt?


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