Archive Dweller 22 Feb 2017 #31The website for the Urząd Stanu Cywilnego in Warsaw is here, and it has a phone number and FAX but no email-usc.um.warszawa.pl/siedziby-usc/siedziba-usc-w-dzielnicy-r-dmie-cieYou can write them in English, but official responses must be written in Polish. So, you may need your response translated if you can't speak to them on the phone. The problem will be making payment for the documents without a bank account in Poland.Yes, it is quite possible that Gramps P were married before arriving in Italy. Maybe the IRC could help with this? IMHO, if you can't produce the actual marriage certificate, but have enough other supporting documentation that they had claimed to have been married, (i.e., census records, death certificates, etc.) it shouldn't cause a problem. The marriage certificate is needed to prove legitimate birth when claiming through the father. Since both grandparents were clearly Polish, then so what? If the claim can't be made through the father, then it would clearly exist through the mother if not married. That is a logical argument. Under the circumstances of the war and the holocaust, I don't think you would get denied on this point. If you did, then it would be a compelling issue to take to the President of Poland.I still don't know that Granpa M actually lost his Polish citienship. He might have abandoned claiming Polish citizenship, or have been confused about Polish law. (After the war, few people wanted to return to Poland and the communists.) I would request his birth records from the Urząd Stanu Cywilnego in Zamosc. If he hadn't yet served in the Polish military, then serving in a foreign military, regardless of how many, didn't deprive him of Polish citizenship. He would have lost Polish citizenship if he was living in the Soviet Union AFTER the war, but if he was moving around a lot, probably not. With his birth record you can prove that he was a Polish citizen at birth. Let them try to rebut that if they want, but unless you have a document in your possesion from the Polish govenment stating that his citizenship was revoked, I wouldn't abandon your claim through him. The more connections with Poland you can prove, the better for your claim.Grandma M is a mystery. I would recommend getting her death certificate and try to learn where her parents were from, and when they left. You could also request any passport records from the Polish government for her and her parents. I get the impression that they were Zionists, so they left well before the war. You might get some records from passenger ships regarding this.I am happy to help. I have a bit of time on my hands unexpectedly.