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Beware of this website called Polishcitizenship.pl


brisrodney 1 | 18    
18 May 2018  #1
I paid the first installment and now there is no answering of emails after 9 months of being messed around.
terri 1 | 1,415    
18 May 2018  #2
You can do the Polish citizenship yourself and if not, you can ask a lawyer in Poland to do it for you. Do not pay any money to someone you don't know.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
18 May 2018  #3
I checked the website and despite claiming they're located in Warsaw and the '.pl', that's not a Polish phone number.
terri 1 | 1,415    
18 May 2018  #4
If you look on the internet, there have been concerns about this man and the services he provides since 2016......
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
18 May 2018  #5
I have seen that, too.
But I guess people don't suspect it might be a scam so they just pay.
@brisrodney
How about reporting that to the police?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
18 May 2018  #6
That's what you get for not doing your research

@kaprys
If he isn't located on polish turf and if his servers are located outside of poland the op cant do squat. And even so, the police or courts arent going to care about a guy paying money to some website and getting a bad deal. If this site was run by a polish lawyer thatd be different then he'd have some recourse.

And fyi thats an American phone number on his site...

Unless you're working with an immigration lawyer, there's a good chance you'll get ripped off
jon357 65 | 13,407    
18 May 2018  #7
@Brisrodney, did you sign any contract for his services?
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
18 May 2018  #8
@Dirk diggler
If that's a scam, he should report it.
RomanW    
18 May 2018  #9
We promise nothing, and that's what we deliver!
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
18 May 2018  #10
He should report it but that doesn't mean anything will happen or hell get his money back.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
18 May 2018  #11
Oh my ...
someone bothered to post as RomanW ...
Geez ...
OP brisrodney 1 | 18    
24 May 2018  #12
There is a service called Polaron which I thought was the same as Polishcitizenship.pl because all the forms you fill out out are exactly the same. Why not go straight to the source in Poland so I thought. After getting in contact with Polaron's owner I got told that they had copied all of their material and there is not much they can do about it unless they spend a lot of money on legal costs. I'm afraid this Roman dude if that's his real name is just going to go on with his scam as I think he has done his research on how hard it will be to close him down.
Pan T. K.    
24 May 2018  #13
Unless you're working with an immigration lawyer, there's a good chance you'll get ripped off

Anyone considering applying for recognition of his/her Polish citizenship should not apply through any agent who is not a practicing Polish lawyer. Poland does not handle such claims like Italy or Germany, where they happily welcome back their emigrants. The process is not as easy as these agents lead people to believe through their advertising. Such agents may do nothing more than filing the paperwork, but will not or cannot address objections by the bureaucrats. Like Poland's history, its laws are complicated. A good lawyer is needed to navigate the bureaucracy especially when claims are founded on the laws of the Second Republic. The process is complicated and can take some time to get a favorable decision, especially if records were lost or destroyed in the wars. However, the Polish citizenship law is grander and more inclusive of its expats than several frequent commentators here will admit. Understand that there are people posting here who are quite afraid of others who potentially could take their jobs and lower their wages.
Thanksss    
15 Jun 2018  #14
Thank you for posting this! It's odd that he puts so much time into the site but it's good to know.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
15 Jun 2018  #15
@Pan T..K.

No ****. That's why stupid people who give their money such things deserve to get ripped off. Just as the ones who pay thousands or even tens of thousands for 'real estate' secrets whether from Trump University or another guy who did a fat line before getting on stage and hyping up a bunch of people too lazy to do basic research...

It's odd that he puts so much time into the site but it's good to know.

No he really didn't... I can make a site off wordpress that looks even better within a day... two tops..
Pan T. K.    
15 Jun 2018  #16
It's odd that people who aren't ethnically Polish spend so much time posting disinformation about tax audits and language requirements for those who were born Polish citizens and must file to get their passports and legal rights recognized by the Third Republic.

It's also odd that the present law from Tusk's time as PM doesn't permit the Polish president to issue passports to Polish citizens, and presumes that all Polish citizens born abroad whose parents or grandparents had refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Soviet communist puppet state somehow must have lost their citizenship, even if no records exist that this ever happened. That may relate to a strategy to avoid paying restitution to those who had property seized under the communists. The present law requires proof that those who lost property were Polish citizens both then and now. In short, don't enter this process thinking it will be short, or cheap. Get a lawyer, and a genealogist may also be needed to prove the claim.
mafketis 16 | 5,899    
15 Jun 2018  #17
those who were born Polish citizens and must file to get their passports and legal rights recognized by the Third Republic

Anytime a citizen first applies for a passport they have to prove citizenship and the burden of proof is on the applicant, not the state.

What country automatically assumes people are citizens because of their names or some distant ancestral claim?
Pan T. K.    
23 Jun 2018  #18
Germany, and they are now, by far, the most populous nation in the E.U. In the immediate post war period, Germany recognized an estimated 8 million ethnic Germans living abroad as its citizesn. After that, Germany has recognized over 4 million foreign born ethnic Germans as citizens since 1950. Unlike Poland, they are given citizenship at the time of repatriation, and there is no requirement that these ethnic Germans can speak German. Many of these were Volga Germans who immigrated to Russia as far back as the late 18th century, long before the creation of a unified German state. In contrast, Poland has been refusing to index its archives, or failing to make archival records available which relate to citizenship by descent from those who remained loyal to the Second Polish Republic and rejected the communist state..

What country automatically assumes people are citizens because of their names or some distant ancestral claim?

Hungary, under Orban, recently granted many foreign born Hungarians citizenship. They are able to acquire citizenship quite easily, and even secretly, which benefits those living in countries like Ukraine that don't permit a second citizenship.

What country automatically assumes people are citizens because of their names or some distant ancestral claim?

Italy has no problem recognizing citizenship from a great-grandfather, etc. Italy is able to quickly get passports for such people so that they can compete on the Italian national teams such as its olympic team. It doesn't take years for this to happen, likely because Italy indexes its passport records in the archives and makes them freely available to genaologists or those cliaming citizenship, and didn't change its laws recently to discriminate against its foreign born citizens.

Poland could learn something from these countries, and so could our trolls.

they have to prove citizenship and the burden of proof is on the applicant, not the state.

When the state refuses to check its own records, fails to index them or make them available for inspection by those claiming rights from them, the state is hiding something. Without a record of military service or its excuse, loss of citizenship for a Polish male living abroad was impossible before January 19, 1951. For such claims the burden is on the state to prove that it was even possible for a citizen to have lost his citizenship. A person was either born a citizen before Tusk's 2009 law, or not. Nothing in that law can retroactively deprive a citizen of his/her rights, such as voting, getting official documents, owning property, etc. under the Polish constitution.
Pan T. K.    
23 Jun 2018  #19
Without a record of military service or its excuse, loss of citizenship for a Polish male living abroad was impossible before January 19, 1951

Well almost. It was impossible if the father was under age 29 when his children were born, which was the usual case.
mafketis 16 | 5,899    
25 Jun 2018  #20
When the state refuses to check its own records

Maybe you should try for German, Hungary or Italian citizenship to get you out of whatever sh1thole you're stuck in now...
Pan T. K.    
25 Jun 2018  #21
Since this site is selling advertising to those offering services for people seeking recognition of citizenship by descent, maybe the mods might consider cleaning up the trolling from those who clearly weren't born citizens, nor went the through the process to be recognized accordingly.
mafketis 16 | 5,899    
25 Jun 2018  #22
But I would miss you! Your malevolence towards the country you want to recognize you as a citizen so you can have nothing to do with it is almost charming..... almost.
thesipguy 2 | 18    
12 Jul 2018  #23
I have used polsihcitizenship.pl to get my citizenship reconfirmed and I have only good things to say about them, they did a great job on my very very difficult case, seems like my grandfather never had a Polish birth certificate, I assume his parents did not register him out of fear of the draft, his sisters were registered though, Roman found Nazi records among other records, I also had some records from France and the USA which all said he was born in Poland but no Polish docs, my case was originally rejected the argument was if he was born in Poland there must be some documents, Roman turned over every archive and he was able to find a record of my grandfather when he returned to Poland after the holocaust with his mom, I assume they went to see if anything was left of their properties etc, and with this document together with all the foreign documents was able to prove by apeal that my grandfather was indeed Polish and I got citizenship.

All this time Roman and Kate were constantly updating me via email on the progress, I am completely satisfied and I reccomended a few friends to use him for their cases and they are all satisfied.
Pan T. K.    
12 Jul 2018  #24
@thesipguy
Thank you for sharing your story, which is very much to the contrary of the trolls who post in these threads that its a "straight forward" process even though they have never undergone it. Your grandfather likely never had a "birth certificate" because they were not issued as such before WWI, nor in the early years of the Second Republic. Many Jews didn't register their births with the local Jewish council for whatever reason. The fact is that if your grandfather had been loaded on a German cattle car and transported to Germany as slave labor during WWII, the only documents to support his claim of having been Polish would be the Nazi records that the administrator handling the case refused to accept as proof of his Polish citizenship. In short, under the present Tusk citizenship law, Poland refuses to acknowledge that WWII and the Soviet occupation occurred. It's good that your agent was able to find documents supporting your claim in some archive. Frequently, these claims hinge on archival records, but they aren't always indexed properly or available to the public. There are constitutional issues with the present law, or its interpretation, and a good lawyer may be needed to assert them.



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