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"do I" usage in a question?


chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #1
how do i say things like ' do I ' in a question. and what does czynić mean.
i can say i do, but im stuck on how to say 'do i'

thanks

chaza
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #2
We need context to help you.

what does czynić mean.

To do.
OP chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #3
well, when i want to say things like.
do i need to hold that.
do i know you.
do i go this way.

its the concept of ' do i' im confused with. my book talk a lot of cynić and so on. but im still not clear.

thanks
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #4
its the concept of ' do i' im confused with.

Try not to think of it in that context.
'Do' is an auxiliary verb, that is it helps other verbs form tenses.
basically you are making the mistake of trying to directly translate from English.

That is probably why you are having problems.

Try to translate without using 'do'.
Richfilth 6 | 415
15 Aug 2010 #5
In English we have something called Inversion, where you swap words around to make a question with a yes/no answer (which I guess is what you're talking about with "do I...?"

In Polish, there's no inversion. All the words stay in the same sequence as they would in a normal statement, but if you want to make them into a yes/no question, you just stick the marvellous word "czy" at the front. "Czy" doesn't really mean anything*, but it makes questions.

So "I love you" (Kocham cię) becomes "Do I love you?" (Czy kocham cię?) and "I know you" (Znam cię) becomes "Do I know you?" (Czy znam cię?) which are two very odd questions, to be honest. Plus, even at this level, I'm sure I've made a mistake in the Polish somewhere.

Does that make sense?

* it does mean something, but not at this basic stage.
zetigrek
15 Aug 2010 #6
do i need to hold that.

czy muszę to trzymać

do i know you.

Czy cię znam? Czy my się znamy? (more proper)

do i go this way.

???

czy mam iść tędy? (not sure what you mean)
OP chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #7
im not sure,
so
czy robi ten = do i do that
czy potszebuje ten = do i need that
czy mam samochódm = do i have a car

am i grasping the idea, yet
zetigrek
15 Aug 2010 #8
czy robi ten = do i do that

incorrect.
should be: czy robię to?

czy potszebuje ten = do i need that

incorrect.
czy potrzebuję tego?

czy mam samochód = do i have a car

correct! :)

am i grasping the idea, yet

yes.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #9
do i need to hold that.

Muszę to trzymać
(with the meaning of 'Is it necessary for me to hold that?')

do i know you.

znam cię?
(note there are two different forms of "to know")

do i go this way.

Powinien iść tędy
(with the meaning of 'should I go that way?')

"Czy" doesn't really mean anything*, but it makes questions.

Useful thing to note.
OP chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #10
i think i see, it will take a bit more sinking i think. where does czynić fit. that was another word i was confused with.
Richfilth 6 | 415
15 Aug 2010 #11
Yes, you're getting the idea, and although zetigrek corrected you, I'm sure most people would understand what you wanted from what you said.

Just remember that the end of the verb changes depending on who is saying the verb (you, me, him, her), so "robić" (to do) becomes "robię" (I do). "Robi" means "he, she, it, Mr or Mrs does."

As for the "to, te, ten, tam, tego" - that's just Polish being stupid, sorry, specific.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #12
where does czynić fit.

i never use it, it's an old fashioned word.
Use 'Robić' it means 'to do' and 'to make'.

Do you speak any other languages chaza?
OP chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #13
speak, no. but i domread and write hebrew, ancient greek, i am playing with hyroglyphics, and latin. but polish is what i speak most of, cause my cousins are polish and i am going there in three weeks.

by the way does the same apply to asking 'does'. like ' does that sandwhich taste nice'
does your car work
does he come here often
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #14
but i domread and write hebrew, ancient greek, i am playing with hyroglyphics, and latin.

Oh, I don't speak or read or write any of those languages.
But I do speak other languages (none-Slavic) and it helps to think in those terms.

but polish is what i speak most of, cause my cousins are polish and i am going there in three weeks.

Cool, let us know if there is anything else we can help you with.

There is quite a useful thread on here Collection of learning resources for learning the Polish language.
OP chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #15
if i wanted to say
did you get my message
czy zrób mój wiadomość

is that correct
zetigrek
15 Aug 2010 #16
no.
Czy otrzymałeś moją wiadomość?

you have written something like:
Do you do mine message

you can drob word "czy", then intonationa (or question mark) will sign it's a question.

Otrzymałeś moją wiadomość? is also correct ;)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #17
if i wanted to say
did you get my message
czy zrób mój wiadomość

This is a good example of how 'do' is an auxiliary verb and only makes the tense.

(The verb 'to do' is different that is where 'Robić' comes in.)

I usually try to translate direct from Polish (this is where it helps to know other languages)
so:
Czy gotyou my message?

Czy dostałeś moją wiadomość?

A good thin to learn are the verbs conjugation.

I received,
You received,
he/she/it received
We received
You (plural) received
They received

They are crucial to understanding Polish.
OP chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #18
do the same rules apply for asking a 'does' question not a 'do' question
like
does that sandwhich taste nice'
does your car work
does he come here often
zetigrek
15 Aug 2010 #19
czy = whether

Compare:

Otrzymałeś moją wiadomość?

Czy otrzymałeś moją wiadomość?

Zastanawiałam się, czy otrzymałeś moją wiadomość?


do the same rules apply for asking a 'does' question not a 'do' question

yes, of course. Mind that english grammar is completely different than polish. It's your fist time when you learn foreign language, isn't it?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #20
do the same rules apply for asking a 'does' question not a 'do' question
like

Yes, ''do'', ''did'', ''does'', ''doesn't'' in this context are all the same, they are being used as auxiliary verbs and should not be directly translated.

Only if you use 'do' as a verb, like ''to do something'' or ''to make something'', it is 'Robić'.

That is why I recommend not using 'do' to form questions.
OP chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #21
Otrzymałeś moją wiadomość? = you got my message

Czy otrzymałeś moją wiadomość? = did you got my message

Zastanawiałam się, czy otrzymałeś moją wiadomość? = i think i got my message

yes or no
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Aug 2010 #22
The first 2 are the same. Czy is like whether and expresses a doubt.

The last one is, 'I was wondering, did you get my message?' (to a male from a female)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #23
i think i got my message

This is why it is important to learn the verb conjugations.

Otrzymał the 'eś' at the end of the word tells you who the person is.
It isn't 'I' but 'you'.

I got = Otrzymałam

you got = Otrzymał

he got = Otrzymał

she got = Otrzymała

It got = Otrzymało

we got = Otrzymałyśmy

you (plural) got = Otrzymałyście

They got = Otrzymały
OP chaza 50 | 253
15 Aug 2010 #24
i do have the 301 polish verbs, i have had my nose in that book for months. i have to say it taks a while to sink in. but i am getting there. its remembering them all
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Aug 2010 #25
Polish is more flexible when it comes to tag/tail questions. We match the auxiliaries together (do/don't, does/doesn't, can/can't etc etc) whereas they have words like czy, prawda, tak i nie. It requires less precision in Polish. Polish students often confuse do and does (then again, so do native speakers, lol)
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240
15 Aug 2010 #26
Czy otrzymałeś moją wiadomość? = did you get my message

Zastanawiałam się, czy otrzymałeś moją wiadomość? = i think i got my message

I was wondering whether you got my message.
zetigrek
15 Aug 2010 #27
I got = Otrzymałam

you got = Otrzymałaś

there is also gender information in thsese forms:

Otrzymałem would say a man
Otrzyameł is about a man

but

Otrzymałam would say a female
Otrzymał is about a female

Pete, otrzymał wiadomość?
Mary, otrzymał wiadomość?

I was wondering whether you got my message.

That is exactly what I've meant by saying that czy is equivalent of whether (but some can argue with that)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Aug 2010 #28
Exactly! See post 22 of mine above too, chaza.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
15 Aug 2010 #29
there is also gender information in thsese forms:

Sex, sex, sex, that's all Polish people ever think about, your language proves it.

How can 'a glass' = 'szklanka' be female????
Answers on a postcard.

:)
zetigrek
15 Aug 2010 #30
we got = Otrzymałyśmy

you (plural) got = Otrzymałyście

They got = Otrzymały

I've forgot about pular:

Otrzymałyśmy = we (female)
Otrzymaliśmy = we (male)

Otrzymałyście = you (female)
Otrzymaliście = you (male)

Otrzymały = they (female)
Otrzymali = they (male)

If there is a mixed gender group (men and women together) we use male form.

How can 'a glass' = 'szklanka' be female????

actually we don't say that szklanka is a female but that its gender is rodzaju żeńskiego.

As a trivia I say that in polish Death is a woman (Śmierć... ta Śmierć)


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