Polish/Ukrainian words similarities

I read Polish newspapers and I watch Polish films and I have never encountered anything of this sort. Any examples? Poles don't like Russia as a state, but have nothing against Russians. The only problem that Poles have with Ukraine is Ukrainian nationalism of the Bandera sort and that's it.


I have never met a Pole claiming that Polish people are Germanics. It's absurd. Don't base your opinions on some comments by trolls on this or other forums. Most commentators here are not Polish. Not that it matters because some trolls here are Polish, and some foreigners who live in Poland and comment here have pretty good understanding of Poles and Poland.


Poland is the best friend Ukraine has got in Europe today. It's in Polish geopolitical interest that Ukraine is a democratic and sovereign country as close to the European Union as possible. Ukraine back in Russian hands is a Polish nightmare.

Nobody sane with modicum of education believes that. Besides, nobody really cares.


any examples?


Countries frightening each other with perverted racist mind attacks...?? How? By brandishing their brain wave guns loaded with interracial child púrnography..?

Agreed.

Some ideas, expressed at this forum are, euphemistically speaking, very brave and strange. I am a Slav, but who forbids me to admire South Koreans for their industrial and other achievements, for their reasonable behaviour etc. (and Ukraine, e.g., cooperates successfully in the area of car building with far-away South Korea, a Mongoloid nation, but has zero cooperation, as far as I know, in this field with our almost-neighbour Czech Republic, a Slavic nation).

And often, Slavic nations in the past have been brothers of Abel-Cain type to each other.
Being a Slav does not forbid me to condemn, let us say the Slavic nation X, for their atrocities against a non-Slavic nation A etc. A good neighbour or non-neighbour, be it a person or a state, Slavic or non-Slavic, is simply good and vice versa. I think we have had and still have enough nationalism, chauvinism, Nazism inside countries etc. to create still another type – Slavic nationalism.

We alrady discussed this in the past and do not want to return to it, I do not claim that all those movies and statements are made by ethnic Poles or directed

by them.For example:
studia.dlastudenta.pl/artykul/Jak_Kozacy_sesje_zdawali,77459.html
rt.com/news/polish-radio-hosts-ukrainian-755/
telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/euro-2012/9327483/Euro-2012-183-arrested-after-Polish-and-Russian-clash-as-march-descends-into-violence-on-Russia-Day.html
youtube.com/watch?v=eFG4cFFOJYg
youtube.com/watch?v=J--JgH-EOIo
studio.wp.pl/i,Dziendobry-tvn-bartosz-weglarczyk-ukrainki-roboty,mid,1226694,wideo.html?ticaid=110885

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I think, that despite everything (or may be due to everything = our horrible past), Polish-Ukrainian relations have improved radically. What is remembered and appreciated here as point 1 is: It was Poland that was the first country that acknowledges Ukraine as a state. As point 2: Polish outspoken advocacy of Ukraine's joining the EC. Of course, shadows of the past may appear from time to time on both sides, but it is only natural.

And I do not know about Polish-Russian or, say, Polish-Croatian relations, it is business of representatives of these governments and nations. And I would not say that Poland should treat Russia and Ukraine the same way: Russia is a powerful nuclear superpower of the US and China calibre, having much influence in the world. And Ukraine is almost nothing in this respect – if Ukraine disappears today nothing significant will happen tomorrow, not many will even notice it in the outside world. And good neighbourly relations (maybe friendship in the future) between Poland and UA are very important in this unsafe world for existence of our countries.

But I believe we must stay on message: Polish-Ukrainian (neither Polish-Bulgarian, nor Ukrainian-Serbian, nor Polish-Czech etc. that are discussed elsewhere) similar words and here is an example: Polish "Mialem pecha" ("Ich habe Pech gehabt") is used also in this part of UA "Ya mav pekha".

I think it would be better for Ukraine to cooperate with European or German companies as currently Czechs and Slovaks do more successfuly.


Historical periods when Ukrainians and Poles fought together against common enemy were much longer than when they clashed with each other.For example they fought Turks successfuly and bit them out of Eastern Europe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khotyn_(1621)
ukrweekly.com/old/archive/1933/013307.shtml
I think there is deliberate attempts to escalate hate toward Ukrainians.For example some badasses constantly place tons of harassing comentaries in Polish under each beauty Ukrainian song they could in YouTube find and especially if they see some positive Polish comments under the same song.

@ Vlad:

Sorry, but you've got it all wrong. The films are by Jerzy Hoffman, the most pro-Ukrainian film director in Poland. His wife is Ukrainian, by the way. In With Fire and Sward, Hoffman portrays Polish lords savagely raping Ukraine. The film was very well received in Ukraine. In Battle of Warsaw 1920, he's anti-bolshevik, not anti-Russian. He also made Ukraine - The Birth of a Nation in 2008, a long and well-researched documentary based on Kuchma's book Ukraine is not Russia.

In the link "Polish radio hosts fired after insulting Ukrainian women" the point is he got fired. Insulting immigrants is common in Europe. Poles are constantly insultet by anti-immigration British press and no one gets fired. What else is new?

There are probably as many videos of Polish drunkards as Russian drunkards on youtube. Etc. Etc.


I think you're wrong, but not completely wrong. Ukraine is key to Putin's imperial ambitions. He can't rebuild the Russian Empire without Ukraine. However, Ukraine's constant problem is its inability to create a strong state. Historically, the coutry was a playground of stronger powers: Russia, Turkey, Poland. After gaining independence, Ukraine remains a weak state for two reasons. Economically, it's 3 times as poor as Russia and Poland and so it lacks economic influence. While Poland and Russia have political traditions of clearly defined national interests with which the political classes and the people can agree on Ukraine lacks such tradition and its politicians and the people still can't work out what Ukraine's interests are. Are they in the West, in the East or in between and how? I'm afraid nothing will change in Ukraine soon because Ukrainians are divided along cultural and political lines and they don't know what they want as one nation.

Sorry,I didn't have chance to compare his "masterpiece" with works of those Polish directors who are trully anti-Ukrainian.And therefore judge it a bit biased.

But doesn't it seem to you than in 21-t century "love has no borders" theme would be much more appropriete than everithing that was shown in this movie?

Do modern children need to be educated on this medieval belch?


I didn't know that.One respons in Ukrainian newspaper just after movie reliese was very negative, an author bilieved that Ukrainians were downgraded.
Another Ukrainian woman I spoke with about the movie said Ukrainians in the movie are represented as cruel and she didn't like the move.


I didn't remark it entirely.In the movie there was nothing about hardships that Ukrainians suffered and real reasons of uprising.Ukrainians are depicted just as meaningless rioters and bandits. (who burn villages etc.)

But so be it.The movie depicted some part of history.Lets wait for new and much better movies which will unite our nations and show sign to a brighter future.

@ Vlad:

The film With Fire and Sward is based on a historical fiction novel by Sienkiewicz. The book was designed as a pro-Polish propaganda enertainment to keep Polish spirits up when Poland was not on the map of Europe. In the book Poles are always the good guys and everybody else the bad guys, including Ukrainians. What Hoffman did he removed some of that bias and also showed the Ukrainian perspective. Most historical narratives are biased and so you will always have Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Soviets, Jews looking differently at Kmelnytsky uprising. Check this out:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohdan_Khmelnytsky#Khmelnytsky_in_Ukrainian_history


That's not correct. Wiśniowiecki is portayed as a brute burning Ukrainian villages. On the other hand, the film does not portray Polish and Jewish suffering to such extent, as far as I remember. Polish and Jewish losses were huge.


Because some of them were. They murdered tens of thousands of Poles and Jews.

Good.


That is better.


This is the best observation. You are quite an expert. Do you think we can ever be united?

Putin's imperial ambitions[/quote]
Oh, I always have a headache after having discussed sth that has to do with superpowers. Let us skip it otherwise I would have nightmares tonight. And our topic is Ukrainian-Polish (similar words). What would be your contribution to this?

First of all which documents could prove how many exactly people of which nationality killed Ukrainians?
And which relation to the theme does it have?I said there is no sense to make movie about sad events in Polish-Ukrainian
history.Ogniem and mieczem was sponsored by Polish government if I no make mistake.And better make some bright movie
about Polish-Ukrainian friendship.The events could take place in the future if the cannot find something in the past.
You said Ukrainians killed some Jews.Honesly why should I care even if they would kill millions of Tatars,Turks or Mongols
during the same time?At that time they killed many of those who allied with Poles or Polish government.Does it have any
relation to the theme of Polish - Ukrainian relations at least?

I'm pessimistic. There are two ways to unite a nation. One is to have a strong political and intellectual elite which, despite differences among themselves, can unite behind a common national interest and influence the people behind that cause. You don't have that and it takes generations to produce such elite. The other is to have a dictator like Lukashenko or Putin impose their own vision of a state, crushing all opposition to it along the way. I don't think you'd like a dictator, and you haven't created a strong and united intelligentia on a state-building mission yet. So it seems Ukraine is permanently doomed to what it is now: a failed state up for grabs. Sorry to say.

Completely hopeless, you think?


Languages, pronounciation, literature, similar words, exposure to culture - but there are always bad boys who manage to derail such a fine conversation by bringing up heavy, bloody-stained topics like hatred, wars, killings, accusations.

Let's sting them with nettle - who can do this?

There are some estimates based on historical research in Wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising#Casualties


You can't erase history and you can't falsify history for long. If you want national reconciliation, it has to be based on truth, not on myths. Katyń, about Soviet crimes, was an important film for both Poles and Russians. A recent Polish film Pokłosie, about Polish crimes agains Jews, was important for Poles and Jews. I'd love to see a good film, true to history, about Kmelnytsky uprising, Volhynian slaughter of Poles (and Ukrainians) or Akcja Wisła, about ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by Poles.


Mostly private money. The Polish goverment does not produce any fictional movies, but it supports cinematography to a small degree.


I don't believe in friendship between nations and between states. States have interests, not friends, and nations are abstractions devoid of human emotions. But film about friendship between a specific Ukrainian and a specific Pole, why not, if interesting as a film.


I don't know, but I think I understand your way of thinking. You'd rather get rid of bad history (forget it) and concentrate on building good relations based only on what's going on in the present. I don't think it's possible because history is alive in the heads of Ukrainians and Poles. And you can't stop teaching history because without history there is no identity. Without identity (national identity) there is no state. So the state has to teach history to perpetuate itself. Without Ukrainian history there would bo no Ukrainians and consequently no Ukraine as their nation-state. Acknowledging bad history and dealing with it honestly does not have to be an obstacle. Look at Germans who have dealt with their nasty history frankly and openly and now have the strongest state in Europe. Compared to Germans, Poles still have a long way to go in honest dealing with their history. But a lot shorter than Ukrainians :-)

Let's face it, along with Occupied Poland, Lithuania, Hungary, Rumania and Austria, anti-semitic demagogues like Semyon Petlura didn't exactly help to promote the Ukraine's image abroad!

"Ogniem i mieczem" based on true history?Do not make me laugh.For those who are interested in true history
there is documentary movie genre.Movies like O&M are not designed for those who are looking for a true history
movies.This is typical Hollywood blockbaster with good and bad guys.


Polish - Ukrainian relations were not exactly similar to those of history with Nazies.Atrocities were mutual to a larger extent and I do not

see a sense to concentrate on it.Currently relations between Poland and Ukraine are vulnerable.Lets to fix it fist.

you are not interested in true history boyo - you just spread too much rubbish here.

Ukrainian has at least 4.000 words borrowed from Polish.Do you want me to list them here?
Here is a short list:
russian.kiev.ua/books/zheleznyj/pdu2/pdu2_8.shtml

seems like a right thread to do just that, try 2 words per post

What you know is bull sh*t → forget it: outspoken anti-Ukrainian propaganda, spread by paid agents (do not be stupid – do not believe them! if you, of course, are not one of them).

Listen to me: the real things are just the opposite. The product of the Ukrainian-Korean cooperation is simply the BEST CAR in the world in its class: low price, economic, manoeuvrable, service-friendly, ergonomic, long service life. Of course, without any whistles and bells – just bread-and-butter car.

No problem.Polish - Pan,Pani.Ukrainian - Pan,Pani.Polish - Szanowne panstwo.Ukrainian - Szanowne panstwo.

Pani (Pol.) = Pani (Cz.), only the latter has a softening sign above the " i " in Czech. Initial stress is same:-)
obchód (Pol.) = obchod (Cz.), though the meaning is different, I believe:-)
na (Pol.) = na (Cz.), identical preposition
kor (Pol.) = kor (Cz.)

etc....

I wonder,why people then are inclined to care about their relatives more than about rest of people?Doesn't it have to do something with genetic closeness of people?

What a vivid illogicality – just runaround: you are quoting me writing about the quality of the car – and you have brought up the info from the Internet (everyone of us can do this!!) about the financial and other moves of the companies involved.

Of course, what else can you do: here we are driving these cars and have experience concerning its technical characteristics, price-quality correlation and so on (and BTW, by buying these UA-made cars one contributes to our country's economic development and employment rate: people are working and paid)

–and you, what can you say sitting at the computer, in North America as you say – you have not, perhaps, even touched these cars' steering wheel?

But of course, you have to ******** – to defame a UA company and its product – to deserve your pay.
But this time you failed!

English - Polish - Russian

Yeast - Drożdże - Drożży
Dugout - Zemianka - Zemlianka
Suspicion - Podejzrenie - Podozrenie
Sieve - Sito - Sito
Sponge - Gąbka - Gubka
Obvious - Oczywisty - Ocziewidnyj
Candle - świeca, świeczka - swiecza, swieczka
Pillow - Poduszka - Poduszka
Sticky - Lepki, kleisty - Lipkij, klejkij
Stuffy - Duszny - Dusznyj
Tear - Rozerwać - Rwat', razrywat'
Shuttle - Czółenko - Czelnok
Burrow - Nora - Nora
Den - Legowisko - Logowo
Rut - Ruja, koleina - Koleja
Custom - Zwyczaj, obyczaj - Obyczaj
Tongs - Szczypce, kleszcze - Szczipcy, kleszczi
Dergree - Stopień - Stiepień
Spawn - Ikra - Ikra
Both - Obie, oboje - Oba, obie
Difficulty - Trudność - Trudnost'

Four thousand words borrowed from Polish, another 4000 words borrowed from Russian, therefore it's not a real language and Ukraine is not a real country. Is that a conclusion the readers of your posts should come to, Vladimir?

Why don't you tell us how much you are getting paid for spreading this bs? Are they paying you per number of lines you post? That would explain why you are listing all those words. I read recently that what used to be the KGB has a huge budget for paying to bloggers, and I see you Vladimir as one of those benefitting from that program. Sadly, Astoria, Mykhaylo UA, and Lyzko are thinking that they have a real discussion, when they are just helping Vladimir earn some money. Vladimir, please do not bother to reply. I will not help you in any way.

I do not feal that I have a real discussion with anyone here.

Waht did you expect its protoslavic...
@ The peole *******, is Ukraine the new hate target? Im losing count between Germans, Russians, Czechs, Sweds, UKers and of course evrybossy else with a different skin color.