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Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D


Lyzko
5 Mar 2010 #601
Olaf, in Communist Russia as well, you were "Citizen Kalenko!" (Garazhin Kalenko!), and not "Mr. Kalenko", even the melifluous patronymic "Vladimir Antoleyovitch!" or the like, was strictly avoided in official or public places, I'm told.

Among friends, then simply "Volodia!"
Seanus 15 | 19,706
5 Mar 2010 #602
Pienczoro uszu is what I'm betting on :) :) It depends!!
FUZZYWICKETSFAN
6 Mar 2010 #603
Who is taking the next bets?:))
Lyzko
6 Mar 2010 #604
pięcoro uszów???
paulinka_87 - | 5
6 Mar 2010 #605
pięcioro uszu
but pięcioro uszów is also correct
Lyzko
6 Mar 2010 #606
dzięki, Paulinko:-) No dobrze, nie jestem wariatem!!!!
ArtLover 5 | 20
7 Mar 2010 #607
thanks for encouraging to learn polish :S
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Mar 2010 #608
Pięcioro, oops. Why is hardest language in block capitals here? Is this some kind of competition? Some people find certain things hard, depending on what they are accustomed to. Let's drop the competitive undertones. My wife has to listen to people in the travel agency where she is a manageress brag about where they have been. How shallow!

Anyway, any Pole care to put some teasers out?
JemmaR34 1 | 3
7 Mar 2010 #609
Hot damn! That means I'm like an effin' GENIUS! Eat it average intelligence fools!

me too! :D

haha this will also be going on my cv.

i find this strange as i have found learning polish easier than learning french which to my friends is quite weird as they picked up french within a year and were completley fluent the next. i however was not fluent in french but polish and this was withouth any official lessons or sessions, just good old friends and youtube :p
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
7 Mar 2010 #610
what about the town I mentioned a while back, "Szewce".

I'm going to Szewce = ?

I'm in Szewce = ?

My best guess would have to be "Jade do Szewcow" and "Jestem w Szewcach", but I've gotten different responses from native Poles, or no response at all, just "I gotta think about it...."
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
8 Mar 2010 #612
Paulinka_87 wrote:

Jade do Szewc

that was one of the guesses. "Szewce" is a plural noun (i believe), hence, my guess was "Szewcow".
mafketis 23 | 8,612
8 Mar 2010 #613
"Szewce" is a plural noun (i believe), hence, my guess was "Szewcow".

I'm pretty sure that all the plural toponyms ending in -ce in Polish are actually neuter (or feminine?) at any rate, the expected genetive plural is - zero.
AdamKadmon
8 Mar 2010 #614
You can find the answer in the Kielce edition of Gazeta Wyborcza. In the article 'Odkrywamy Świętokrzyskie - Szewce' you can find the following sentence: 'W lesie, po lewej stronie drogi prowadzącej do Szewców od Zgórska...'. So Szewców is the correct form.

Also in 'Słownik ortograwiczny PWN' you can find:
Szewce (miejscowość) -ców
mafketis 23 | 8,612
8 Mar 2010 #615
So Szewców is the correct form.

Odd. Is it related to szewc (cobbler)? Is it an old alternate plural?

Judging by ghits, it does appear that the alternate form 'Szewc' is also in common usage.
Lyzko
10 Mar 2010 #616
A specific site or link for specifically Polish, not merely general Slavic, toponym endings/case inflections including nationalities etc. would be exceedingly useful, at least for myself:-)

thanks in advance!
Insane2
14 Mar 2010 #617
You can find the answer in the Kielce edition of Gazeta Wyborcza. In the article 'Odkrywamy Świętokrzyskie - Szewce' you can find the following sentence: 'W lesie, po lewej stronie drogi prowadzącej do Szewców od Zgórska...'. So Szewców is the correct form.

Ahhaaa... so anyone who misssed the "Kielce edition of Gazeta Wyborcza" issue,
cannot speak correctly polish.

OMG, the polish language is so totally ridiculous!!!

Olaf 6 | 956
19 Mar 2010 #618
and it seems you definitely have english "disortografia"

Not quite on the first.
You must learn to distinguish dysorthorgaphia from misspelled words on keyboard or even haste. Thanks for a smart-ass comment.

Pofficer: I admit that that my post you took excerpts from was written lousy, due to haste. Try to focus on the message then;)
AdamKadmon
19 Mar 2010 #619
Topographical Dictionaries and other publications of that kind

In Polish:
1) Grzenia J., Słownik nazw własnych, Warszawa 2002;
2) Mały słownik odmiany nazw własnych, red. A. Cieślikowa, wyd. II., Warszawa-Kraków 2008;
3) Słownik nazw miejscowości i mieszkańców - Aleksandra Kubiak-Sokół (oprac.);

In English:
4) Toponymic Guidelines of Poland for Map Editors and Other Users, Wyd. Główny Urząd Geodezji i Kartografii, Warszawa 2002;

The full publications list you can find here: tinyurl/ykw64nl

Mind the space in the address!
Lyzko
19 Mar 2010 #620
Dziękuję, AdamKadmon!

Ale szukam wersii tego on-line:-)
walesboy 2 | 30
19 Mar 2010 #621
polish is impossible to learn!
jonni 16 | 2,485
19 Mar 2010 #622
Some of us have managed it! :P
Pibwl - | 50
19 Mar 2010 #624
Space is just Space. Have you even seen Spaces or just spaces?

"...What shall we use
To fill the empty spaces
Where we used to talk?..."

;-)

in Communist Russia as well, you were "Citizen Kalenko!" (Garazhin Kalenko!),

Grazhdanin Kalenko.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Mar 2010 #625
The Wall :) Look, they are spaces and not Spaces.
Lyzko
20 Mar 2010 #626
Bolshoi spasibo, Pbwl!
Hyacinthus 1 | 20
20 Mar 2010 #627
i have to say completely agree with you.
polish is the most ,most,most difficult language to learn.i guess maybe easy for E.T
i'd learned russian for 8 months and scores 5 for grammar test.
when i came to poland and finished 8 months polish classes,i'm still in lost. Een though i didn't touch russian for a year,my russian is still better,and much better than polish

P.S.chinese is extrmemly easy compared with indio-euro language,i mean all the language.
chinese doesn't have cases,genders,tenses,anything.there even doesn't exsit grammar!!!
Lyzko
20 Mar 2010 #628
Being Chinese yourself, I'm not surprised
Falsk
30 Mar 2010 #629
people who learned polish reported that they learned day by day 8 hours per day and finally after 2 years, started to grasp a little bit of the nightmarish polish grammar

however in the meantime they got kicked out of work and their income became zero, because they were focusing not anymore on their work, but only struggling to learn polish language...

FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
30 Mar 2010 #630
ooohhh, i guess i'll throw another question up. please translate these sentences into Polish:

"with a few women"

"with a few men"

"with a few men and women"

"with a few children"

"with four children"

"with four women"

"with four men"

and, for the hell of it, "with eight children".

just another attempt to show the inefficiency of Polish. the true test here would be if all native Polish speakers on this forum would have to type an answer right away without calling Kasia or Piotr or Magda for their opinion, along with everyone typing their answer simultaneously so that they can't read posts from others and then say, "OOOHH...that's right, it should be xyz...."

anyway, enjoy!


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