News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@Dirk diggler

Germany paid reparations to Poland after German reunification after a special agreement was made. The other countries waved their claim to reparations with the 2+4 treaty.

And if anything, the refugees should grant Germany the right to ask Poland for financial compensation. Because Germany pays for them, Poland does not have to.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Poland received compensation, in territory and money from Germany.

Now it is more like "We are sorry that our great-grandparents did this to you, but obviously we are not going to pay you additional money for what they did. Which is the only logical thing to do. Even if Germany were to pay, the next Polish generation would just demand more money.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Well, Southern Europeans seem to trust German politicians more than their own, so that is a good start. And the relationship between the French and Germans is nowadays really close, both politically and economically, with many people working in Franco-German companies. You simply see what you want to see, and if it makes you sleep better, so be it. I know I can sleep soundly knowing how secure Germany's position in Europe is right now.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

As if 9bn are sich a huge sum in the grand scheme of things, especially if it is divided among several countries.

It is annoying no doubt but hardly a great burden.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Countries such as? There are not many advanced economies outside of the EU to choose from, and those who are (basically the USA, Kanada, South Korea, Japan and Australia) are a large Ocean away.


Matters like free movement are no mere bureaucratic talking points. This is not something some bureaucrats in Bruessels want to uphold, but all of the other EU member states. The problem is that the Brexiteers subscribe to the notion that it all comes down to Bruessels being punitive, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

@mafketis


You keep using those words, but how can justify this description? The EU is not punitive wheb it points out that the UK won't enjoy the same priviliges as a non-member as it did before. That is simply common sense. What the EU has offered the UK so far has been very reasonable and is orientated at deals that were made with other countries.

It is not "punitive" to point out that "having your cake and eat it" is not going to happen. The problem is that the politicians who advocated Brexit created so many unrealistic expectations (they need us more than we need them - any person with a basic understandibg of economics knows this to be untrur) that anything less is now seen as deliberate punishing.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

You do know that it is not the EU that is against a Norway style solution right? The problem is that both Norway and Switzerland accept things (free movement and EU regulations) that go against the promises of the Brexiteers. But without those concessions, it is impossible to give the UK a similar deal.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


The IR happened in the 18th (UK) and 19th (most of Europe) century, when the common people had no say in the governance of their country (that includes the UK). There were no safety or health regulations to speak of (those came only slowly in the late 19th century), and the misery of this time is reflected in many famous works of literature (most famously by Charles Dickens).

Karl Marx can btw. only be fully understood if you consider those circumstances (which is also why he is now mostly outdated).

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Indeed, and nothing of this sort happened. It was not Germany who let the refugees into the EU (that would be Italy and Greece) and it was not Germany that let them into Schengen (that would be again Italy, Austria er al.) The decision to allocate the refugees among the Eu was also not made by Germany, but by a vote of the other EU states.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


You have a lot of feelings about things, usually misguided like this one. The fact that the EU was always more than an economic entity was never secret, and for all plain to see in the 90s at the latest.


The refugees were there in any case. Instead of ketting only the border countries shoulder the burden, it would have been appropiate to divert it on many shoulders. Poland has been very eager to demand solidarity in the past, but it failed to show it when it could have helped.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Germany is one of the few countries that is keeping the EU together, because it is still willing to show solidarity without which the EU can not exist.

Populist governments like Italy are the ones who seek to destroy the EU, not vice versa.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Interesting how Dirk contradicts himself with his own articles... .

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Utterly ridiculous. Are you really that stupid to believe this?

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Perhaps Trump told her sonething about Poland in this scene. If so, he most likely asked her a) where poland is on a map and b) if they should simply offer it to Russia with the Ukraine.

News / New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ... [343]

Do not be a hypocrite. You see people kissing in pretty much in most films aimed at children, or even advertisement.

This is not the act itself that upsets you, but the people doing it.

There is no hope for you, but hopefully your grandchildren are better persons than you, and won't inherit your bigotry.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

They work in both actually, but more in Nursing homes.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

It is not a realistic scenario in any case in the forseeable future. And if it does happen in a few decades, it is not going to be an issue by then.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Foreigners work as doctors, engineers and in nursery homes. But they are not supposed to work as police officers?

History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]


Indeed. It is also worth remembering that a large part of Lusatia did not participate in the uprising of 983, because they were quite satisfied how things were.

Furthermore the (Christian) Polish kings of Poland helped the German princes to reestablish their control over the area. Religion was far more important back then for people then nationality ( a concept that hardly existed back then).

History / Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles [153]


Interesting how you left out the part of the description according to which they both get nowadays along just fine and treat each other as family ;)

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Some sheeps always vote for their butchers.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Ghe culprit told him that he would cut her throat if he heard any noise from the tent. According to the testimony of the girl, he heard one noise and put the knife to her throat. She told him to finish and leave, which she did.


The girl claimed otherwise. She also did not cry. According to her testimony, she tried to calm her rapist down and get it over with. A remarkeabky brave woman if you ask me.


Like getting her killed?

It is easy for people to claim, removed from the situation, that he could have done something. Even with hindsight, you also do not have a clear answer. He was ordered to lie on the tent, and the culprit told him he would kill her if ge heard anything. Not much room for action there. But of course, you would have saved her... . Just like all the people who claim, that back in WWII, they would have either joined the Resistance are hidden some jews... .


That is no excuse in any case. You can always call the police nowadays.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


So she learned to counter a few highly telegraphed moves with no killing intent in a controlled situation. This is not going to help her at all if she ever finds herself in such a situation.

One real problem is that self-defense courses inflict on you a false sense of self-confidence. This overconfidence gets people killed!

Case in point. Just read this article, it is a real eye-opener.

cracked.com/personal-experiences-2124-6-things-you-need-to-know-about-self-defense-from-expert.html


My love is also worth **** if i would get them killed because of my own overconfidence. I remember reading a lot of comments about this case where people accused the friend of cowardice. But nobody ever made a reasonable response what the friend actually should have done, given the situation.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

What should he have done? He had no weapon and the culprit told him that if he heard any noise from the temt, he would cut the girls throat.

I do not know about you, but I have some experience in martial arts. One of the first things you learn is in practical self-defense is that fighting against someone with a knife unarmed is suicide.

But yes I know, you would have taken the bastard out like Bruce Lee. Though even Bruce Lee once said that he would never fight against a semi-competent armed assailant if at all possible.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


What do you mean?

I assume you mean the case in Bonn? I followed the trial and to me it seems that the guy made the right call (and his girlfriend agreed). Many people always imagine influenced by movies that they can play a hero if given the chance, but reality is very different. If someone comes at you with a knife and you are unarmed, you either run away, or do everything he says. The rapist had a knife at the throat of his victim either way, playing the hero might have got both victims killed.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Someone reported him to the police, and the police now investigates. What is wrong about this? This is how a justice system should work. If it is deemed as appropiate self-defence, he has nothing to fear.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


You are jumping to conclusions here. We do not know yet the outcome of either investigations.

@Rich Mazur

I pity your grandchildren. You are more likely to hit them than any possible intruder.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

I guess some people still have the caveman genes in them. And as this thread demonstrates, they are not all muslims.

It is not without irony that someone like Dirk seems to embody a very similar mind setting to the people he so despises.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

The incident did not happen at some remote park. It happened at a Munich train station where thanks to the October fest police officers are everywhere. Violence is always the last resort, and according to some articles I have read, there would have been other options available.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

You can do that in the Wild West, not in a civilized country where there are police officers nearby, especially at a train station during the Oktoberfest.