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I think the pictures from that link is from photos in 2012 because there's no trees whatsoever on the property. I did try to briefly sell it and we had some decent offers but since things were going well financially I decided I wanted to keep it and either remodel the house there or completely tear it down. I am very set on retiring in Poland and I've wanted to return back to my country ever since I was in college. One of the reasons why I actually chose International Business as a major is to increase my chances of working and living in Poland. I don't have my MBA yet so I wouldn't be too qualified for the jobs within my income requirements. If I could get a job that paid at least $40k USD a year base salary (I work in sales so I'd be mainly looking for a job that's base + commission) in Poland I'd move right away. However, I haven't been able to find a job like that. The best I got offered was $2k USD a month + commission with Google in Wroclaw and 30K Euro + commission with some British shipping company with a location in Gdansk. I think once I get an MBA, a bit more experience, it will be more likely for me to find a good job in Poland or even getting sent over by my US employer. I'm actually starting a new job (if all goes according to plan) next week that has very strong ties with Polish politicians - especially those in PiS.

Anyway, that picture with the sign (the real estate listing) I think is from 2012 since that was the time we put it on sale. The property looks way different now as you can see by the pictures I posted. I found a photo of my parents when they were in the 20's sitting in a Maluch with my grandma (the former owner of the property) in the driveway. You can't really see the house but you can get a good idea of the apple orchard that was there.

I don't really have an issue with posting the address I just ask that when you write it please type the number either in Polish or English - like trzynascie (thirteen) pelczynska Wroclaw. Please please don't type the number because then it will pop up in google search and Skank a$$ might use it against me... If anyone wants to stalk the intruders be my guest, just take some pictures or preferably video. I would love it if someone could get a clear shot of the dump truck's license plate while it's on the property. Unfortunately, most of the video doesn't really catch it. Even worse, the cops totally dropped the ball because they wrote down the license plates for 4 of the dump trucks and took IDs from all 4 of the drivers/operators. However, the cops claim to have 'misplaced' three of them and the only one they have is a driver who claimed that he got lost.

The issue gets further complicated by my family in Poland from my dad's side. The issue is complex, but it involves a rather wicked grandmother who hates me and my mom for 'taking' her son to the US. My dad's sister, my aunt basically (the one who actually notified me of this situation) isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Although she is very kind and very friendly, she has no business sense and is ADD like no other. My grandparents are still supporting her even though she's in her 30's - they bought her a hair salon to run, a big beautiful old style communist commune type of house meant for 2 big families, and a Mercedes. My grandma, who is extremely cunning is getting old and is worried that her lifes' work (definitely hers - not her husband aka my grandpa from dads side) of buying up and running like a half dozen businesses will all fall if my aunt runs them and my dad really can't because he's in the US. This lady honestly hates me - when she visited us in the US I had cancer and both my parents were very poor and working. She got asked by mom if she would look after me while they worked. My grandma agreed, but she said she wanted to get paid for it. So my parents said fine, how much... she wrote down on a napkin a ridiculous amount that was more than my parents were making let alone what they could afford. So long story short, I cannot trust her or anyone who is in contact with her because she will manipulate them against me. Even when we sold the Zlotniki house, she snuck in before the closing and stole all the cabinets. I mean these were old cabinets, not worth much if anything. However, this lady despite being a millionaire (you'd think she's a homeless bag lady from the 70s if you saw her) is totally shameless and will even steal from us to earn 100 zloty. Even when I had cancer and she visited me in the hospital the nurses complained that she was stealing blankets and stuff... the last thing I wanted is a reminder with the hospitals name from when I had cancer...

So the only person I thought I could trust was this guy who lives like he's in the 1800's... or at least use to till he got a taste of modern Polish life. He had no car, no laptop, nothing. He'd cook his food on a wood burning stove even. Very simple guy but not a drunkard and I didn't perceive him as dangerous. We often hired him for small tasks like painting a fence, feeding the dog while we're on a trip, stuff like that. Anyway, he lived in that house for free (when it was still in good shape on the inside) in exchange for very basic maintenance. I found out first he rented out the property to put billboards on it and used the proceeds to buy himself a smart phone and a laptop. He was caught, apologized, and I forgave him. In this case though, the drivers said that they got permission from him to dump there - or so they claim. That's kind of bogus because that's like if you rented a place an apartment and told a guy that he could park his car in one of the empty unit's space. I felt that this person would do a better job of maintaining it since after all he's living there and we've known him for decades. He's the towns 'amish' dude...

I do plan on fighting this while there is still fight in me. I feel that it's a losing battle though and I have a fear that despite all the money, time and tears I've poured into this that I will end up having to fix it myself and will not get Skank A$$ to do anything. I guess we'll see but it's not looking good. Check back with me in a year and we'll see what happened lol. That neighborhood did have some renovations going on but I honestly don't know what the true value is. The 5 mln zloty seems too high... even 3.8 mln zloty seems high.. I don't know what it really is worth and more importantly what it could actually sell for in the current market - both in current condition and in a condition where the house is still damaged but fixed up to at least not be an eye sore and the land fixed with some fresh trees planted. I just wonder if I could have the rubble bulldozed so the holes are even and put fill dirt on top of that or if I'd need to remove all the rubble first - which I'm guessing would be extremely costly. the long run, it would be nice to keep the property where my grandma lived, where my parents started dating and where my dad asked for my grandma's (from mom's side - she's divorced and I've only met her husband, my grandpa from moms side, like one time and it seems like they don't really want to keep contact with him) and so many other memories. I even remember when I was like 7 my cousin and I would throw snails and slugs at my grandmas windows and she'd get so mad because there'd be big sticky snail guts all over her windows. Sorry PETA people - I was like 7 lol. My dad is a contractor and he itaught me how to build and remodel homes since I was a pre-teen so my dream was to build my dream retirement home on the property and drive there. It's not like the most expensive area but it's nice because it's like a suburb and it's close to the city. I actually stayed in SkyTower while I was in Poland - It was AWESOME! I actually paid very little for the trip - $1700 total for round trip airfare from Chicago with only a brief layover and 10 nights in the hotel. However, I had to of course extend it several times because of the situation. I'm actually home now - I usually only post from work (because it makes me look like I'm busy) and I wanted to post some pictures of how the property use to look like when my family was actually living there. It really use to be a nice large (for 4 people anyway) cozy home with lots of land. We even had some chickens roaming around and we'd get fresh eggs. We would store the apples, sell them, make pies and kompot... It's sad to see all these memories and life milestones, especially for my parents, just vanish.

I do have some family living in an around Wroclaw still. My family and I lived in Zlotniki as our first house (that was the house they bought after moving out of this place with my grandma. The house was very nice - it reminded me of a narrow but tall 2 story town house that you often see in London or in the US. Like the row houses I guess in a way? Lots of wood everywhere though I loved it haha it felt like a log cabin. My grandma from my moms side, who's house this use to be, now lives in the bloke near Hotel Wroclaw. She has a nice place but it's rather small and although her condo is nice and modern the building looks like the old gray communist concrete blocks. My grandma (from dad's side) and grandpa (he's nice - but often gets manipulated by his wife) live in Oborniki Slaskie which I really like. It's a small town about 40 minutes from Wroclaw. It feels like a little vacation resort town. Theres lots of large beautiful homes, rolling hills with pines, oak, and firs, an old Soviet train station that's very well preserved and lots of little cafe's, bars, restaurants, delis, etc. There really isn't much of that with this house - it's kind of on the outskirts of Wroclaw. There's a few small stores but you can't really walk around the area like you can at my grandparents house in Oborniki or the condo that my grandma (moms side) lives in since it's super close to Hotel Wroclaw. At least I'll have that property when my grandma passes but there's not that much sentiment with that one. I'll probably sell it because I wouldn't really want to live in the bloki. It was purchased more so my grandma didn't have to deal with maintaining her old house. It's comfy for 1-2 people but the whole bloki thing puts me off. It'd be fine if say I moved to Poland as a relatively young male, but not once I near retirement age. Oh well. We'll see what happens. Thank you for all the support guys you have no clue how nice it is - I really don't have anyone I can vent to about this and it is so frustrating and heart breaking. I'm even more mad because I really tried to take control of the situation but it's like even these guys are taking advantage of me because they know I'm from the US - from the local cops, to the private investigator, to the actual company causing damage. It's like they all called each other one day and asked each other 'How can we fcuk up Adrian's life? Hey I know, let's destroy his grandmas house that he was planning on retiring in and make sure the cops, lawyers, and private investigators don't help him'

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My lawyer told me Skanska is claiming that they subcontracted that work out but I mean clearly they even say on their own website that it's their project.. It's BS of course. Like I thought I was doing everything I should but the PI and the cops really let me down.

My issue is that there were like 3-4 dump trucks that were present while the police was speaking with me on his property. So he literally saw the dump trucks coming onto my land with his own eyes. However, he only interviewed one of the drivers and the driver said he was there 'by accident because he was lost' i mean that's ridiculous... Even worse, I hired a private eye yet I was the one who proposed to him to set up cameras and I only did that because after like 3-4 weeks of hiring him I realized he did little to no actual work and I pretty much had to tell him what to do. I mean I know it's my property so obviously I'm going to be more concerned what happens to it than say some cop or even the private eye that I hired, but still if I'm paying the person they should at least display some level of competence in their position.

I posted some of the stuff my lawyer wrote but I don't really understand a lot of the language. I can speak and write better in Polish than I can read and understand conversations. The Polish spoken in the US is much more Americanized in a way than the Polish in Poland. I don't have much contact with Polish people aside from my parents and a few friends and even then we usually speak English - except for with my dad who doesn't know English that well but even then we use Polish intermingled with English.

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I hate that Polish people are always fighting with each other - we're like the least united nationality.. I'm not a big fan of Zionism as most of you probably know but these guys can really teach us a lesson about putting petty crap aside

yes there are disagreements and personality conflicts- some are liberal, some conservative, some rich some poor, some polish speaking some not..

we all share the same ancestry and many times even the same faith.. that should be something that unites us but instead Polish people look at how they are 'better' than their fellow man

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hey sorry for not responding - i'm usually on PF during work hours... makes me look busy like typing up a storm... hence my long replies a lot of the times =D

yeah i took a look at the ksiegi wieczyestej and there didn't seem to be any issues. when i first learned about this whole situation it was actually from my aunt who was driving by it and saw excavators and dump trucks. i thought maybe i forgot to pay the taxes on it (which are very very low, especially compared to the $10k a year we're paying for our chicken coup here in Chicago which is going to be raised another 17% starting this year) and they repossessed it. I was a nervous wreck waiting for the office to contact me back and that they were going to contact me with bad news - you didn't pay taxes, your property was auctioned off, etc. but yeah no issues - everything is paid up, all the documents are valid, etc. the first thing i did was actually go to the tax office when i got to poland and collect documents to show that this property is in fact mine.

i don't want to post the exact address because when you google it there's only like 7 search results that pop up. so when all these court proceedings get started i don't want this to be used against me in some way.

delphi i read both of your emails - i responded to one but couldn't respond to the other - i don't know why i'm getting an error message even after i deleted some of the emails my inbox... i wanted to ask what address you used to find the property... i really do appreciate you taking the time to look at this though that's really nice of you.

Delph... oh my God... I can't believe you found that... that is my property!!!!

e-gn.eu/pl/show/dzialka/4 1.3 hectar corner property... it's actually shaped more like a weird trapezoid but that's definetely it because it's the corner lot.. and they put it up for sale for 5.4 million zloty?!

What the heck is going on?!!??!?! How can someone be selling MY land - i have all the documents proving that this belongs to me.. Jesus Christ

nevermind... disregard that, that was an old ad from a few years ago... sorry I got really scared I didn't recognize the company at first... I wonder why the google view showed that the sign was still there though I don't think we're offering it for sale anymore...

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I'm not lying to you about the assessed value. I thought it was absurdly high too. But I mean that's what the assessor said - 3.8 mln zloty.. Then again, the house wasn't demolished, the interior was remodeled, and various work done around the property. Still though, I thought it was waaay too high. I have the document in my files I'll try to find it and scan it. Maybe the assessor was another bs'er just like these cops and private investigator. I'm trying not to stereotype, but it literally seems like every person I hire in Poland to perform some kind of service is utterly incompetent. I personally wouldn't pay $100k for that land (even before the dumping) but hey if he says it's worth it lol... If you guys know a good like real estate website where you can look up the value of properties in Poland I'd love to see it.. I remember viewing this 'Polish equivalent of Zillow' a few years back but I forgot the URL.

See the problem isn't so much planting trees and putting in new dirt. That's at least refreshing to hear that it'd be much cheaper than my estimate. The thing is, I don't know if I'd first need to take all the rubble out or flatten the earth or what I'd need to do about all the stuff they dumped. I think that may be much more expensive that just putting in new fill dirt and some trees.

If I could have it my way, I wish I could get a court order to get an excavator and destroy the site managers' property - dig up his trees, leave caterpillar marks in his grass, destroy his birdbaths, make huge holes in random places... Eye for an eye...

If I do fix this place up I am definitely going to spend at least $5k-$10k a year to monitor the place, install a top notch alarm, have some mean dogs roaming the property... I might even be able to get away with some electric fencing or barbed wire since it's zoned as agricultural and I can say it's to keep the animals from escaping... I don't know we'll see what happens. If it becomes too much of a headache I'll sell it but for now I still have some fight in me. Mainly because I want to honor my ancestors by fixing up that property and also retire there when I'm older.

Thanks for all the advice guys I really do appreciate it. Right now the lawyer is says he's in the process of 'proving' that it was in fact Skanska's trucks, employees, etc. I don't see why it's so hard to prove that when the license plate numbers and registration of the dump trucks show that they belong to the company...

I guess for now all I cna do is wait... I'll let you guys know what happens so if God forbid, you ever have to deal with trespassers, vandalism, or other unexpected property issues you'll know who to contact, what the bureaucracy is like, and so on.

One thing I can tell you... the police were more of a hindrance than a help... but yes I will call the public prosecutor that's a good idea although I think he may first need charges (from the police against the company/individual(s)) before he can like take them to court or whatever... i don't know i'm not a lawyer... i still don't know why these people weren't charged for at the very least trespassing and prevented from reentering private property..

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Yes you're right about that. Well, let's say he knew about the situation and didn't stop them. Perhaps even took some money from one of the bosses so they could dump there. It sucks because this was basically like the town 'couch surfer.' Real simple guy - didn't have a car, laptop, or anything like that but wasn't an alcoholic or druggie either. He would do some light labor and house cleaning for my family, stuff like that. I offered to let him live there in exchange for maintaining the place but instead he ripped out the fixtures, destroyed the home even more, it just sucks.. The inside wasn't pretty but at least it was liveable and the heating, plumbing, electrical all worked.

The locals have known my family for generations and many of them have offered to go to court as a witness. They're not the problem - the neighbors are awesome. They all thought I sold the place. Actually, one of the neighbors at first contacted me asking if I sold the place because that 'couch surfer' guy was illegally renting out the land to put up billboards. He didn't tell me about it but seemed sincere in his apology so I let it go. I could've kicked him out but again, this was a family friend and also he could've caused more damage to the house. If I showed you pictures of that house and the property from 10+ years ago you wouldn't believe it's the same house and land. I'll have to find them - there's not many but I do know we took some pictures there when I'd vacation and when my parents were younger. I'm not rich either - far from it. I'm towards the lower end of upper middle class by US standards and I have a nice home and the property in Poland but I definitely don't make like 100k or more a year. I'm in my 20s though so hopefully as my career progresses and I finish my MBA I'll make a little more.

It's more the police and just seemingly inept private detective and possibly lawyer too. Like I literally had to tell the detective what to do to gather some evidence - his idea was basically to just rely on the police report and whatever the police do.. I'm like well dude, what do I need to hire you for then? I think he got the point... Another thing is although I can speak, read, and write Polish very well I'm not a native. It's a bit hard for me to understand all the legal language and understand how bureaucracy works. I understand that there's a similar 'innocent till proven guilty' custom but I mean what move evidence do they need? Like I s

Another issue was that most of the lawyers charge per hour and some took a retainer + a percent of the settlement upon suing the parties. I figured the lawyers who took a retainer plus a percent of the settlement would be more likely to work harder on this case since to me, as a salesman, going after a commission. With hourly, I don't know if they're just messing around and charging me for hours where they didn't do anything - I wouldn't know from an ocean away.

My life for the past few months has been like go to work, try to sleep for a little (which usually doesn't work) and get up at midnight so I can call the offices once they open in Poland, stay on the phone till like 3-4-5 AM. Sleep for 1-2 hours. Drink several cups of espresso throughout the day (big cups like 12 16 oz cups just full of espresso), go to work and repeat. I haven't even been able to really go out because by the time friday comes I'm so tired from the week that I'll pass out by 8-9PM and sleep till 3PM the next day. I never imagined this to become such a big problem with no end in sight. I really really want to fight this but I feel that one day my nerves are just going to get the better of me and I'll say screw it just so I don't have to keep up with this everyday. I don't know if someone would buy this property with the way it looks I mean you'd have to fix the land no matter what unless the person demolishes/remodels the house and can live with an eyesore next door. Even if I put it up for say $100k, which would be super cheap considering it's 1.3 hectares, you'd have to invest several hundred k (maybe even a million USD? who knows?) to fix it up.

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Thanks I appreciate it I really do but I don't want to waste your time. I spent 2 months in Poland recently so I have a good idea of what's going on there. Plus I have cameras set up so I mean there's really nothing new. Most of the time it's quiet then suddenly in the afternoon 3-4 dump trucks will come in in like 45 minute trips, dump a bunch of rubble, and then stop around 5. There was a big metal gate and a fence around the property - the fence is still there but it looks like someone took apart the gate recently and I'm assuming sold it for scrap. There's really nothing new you'd discover that I already don't know at this point anyway.

I can deal with the bums breaking in, drinking beer, and pi$$ing on the walls inside the house. Even then, i got someone to live there rent free (after hiring a cleaning company to clean everything up of course) so that wouldn't happen anymore. The ripping of the apple orchard, making the land look like it's been pounded with mortars... that I can't deal with. To add insult to injury, I feel like the police did absolutely nothing. Like I just don't understand why it's so difficult to prove just two things: 1) This is my property - here is the deed, my property tax receipts, my mail, etc. 2) Here are dump trucks driving into my property - they are dumping without my permission. Literally, this conversation occurred with me and a cop in the driveway and I'm showing him documents to prove its my house while dump trucks and going in and out... he didn't even stop them - only once did the cop write down some info and like a month later question a driver who said he 'got lost and went in by accident' Then, the cops stopped answering my calls so I had to go in person. After a while, the commadant or captain or whatever would literally hide to avoid me or like sneak off so I didn't see him. If you can only imagine how frustrating this all was. Here your retirement property, your family heirloom, is being destroyed and the police are not only not helping you, but they're avoiding you too so they don't have to do extra work... Thank goodness for Valium...

Oh ya lots - there's several GB recorded. But still I guess that's not enough for the police to prevent them from coming for whatever reason. It seems ridiculous to me but yeah they were even there today - I guess they found out I went back to the US.

I mean the land is already ruined, as far as the damage and monetary aspect they're not really doing much more harm by dumping more... it's more the principle and adding insult to injury.

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See the problem is even though I have a private detective and tons of photos and 2 witnesses, I guess that still isn't enough proof. The damage is done and whether they dump another half ton of rubble on top of the 4-5 tons they already dumped I don't think its going to make much difference at this point.

I don't know if I have like a knack for hiring the most incompetent people in Poland or what but literally I even had to tell the private investigator/detective dude to put cameras around the property - like he couldn't even think of that himself?!

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I know that's what scares me. In this case though I don't think they hired a subcontractor though. My lawyer found out that Skanska, which is a multi million dollar company with operations in many countries, is liable. I don't have 100% of the details but from what I have gathered it was their trucks, their employees, etc. on my property and doing all this. What worries me though is that Skanska has a lot deeper pockets than me so they most likely have a team of lawyers on retained and can even bribe a judge if need be. Hopefully, they'll just settle and either fix my land, buy the property from me at fair market value, or repay me for damages. We'll see. In this case, while I don't have as deep pockets as an international corporation, the media may help me and I have heard back from some news outlets that were interested in the story. Maybe they'll get shamed into making things right, I don't know. I do know that this will be a long drawn out process filled with sleepless nights and migraines. All because a multimillion dollar company wanted to save a couple grand and destroyed someones retirement in the process.

i just got off the phone with the lawyer and private detective.... the company is STILL digging and dumping on my land.. i am totally lost idk what else to do..

i found out that the police interviewed one of the drivers and he said that he was there 'by accident' and now they're not even stopping further damage of my property.

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I had a family 'friend' residing in it to keep up the maintenance but he didn't do anything and got like 1-2 years of free rent. I have a feeling he may have told the company that it's okay for them to dump/continue dumping.

I'm fine with battling this out in court and I don't plan to sell the land since aside from this property the only thing we own is a condo in the bloki in Wroclaw where my grandma lives. We bought her that place so she didn't have to worry about maintaining a house. Unless I get like some great job offer in Poland (which I'm actively looking for) I think it will be at least a decade before I move there permanently. I do have Polish citizenship though.

I plan to bulldoze that house anyway as I know how to build and remodel homes. I know carpentry, painting, drywall, tiles, etc. but not so much plumbing and HVAC. Electrical I know enough to wire a house but the electricity is a bit different in Poland than in the US.

Up until recently the only bill I had with this house was the property taxes which are very low in Poland and that's one of the main reasons why I wish to move there.

I don't really see how I lost nothing except for damage to the house if it was zoned as agricultural land. I mean the land is totally ruined like they ripped out every single apple tree and dumped rubble - like dirt mixed with huge blocks of concrete. It's hard to see in some of the pics because of the snow but if you look at these you'll see how badly it's been torn up. I don't see how anything besides weeds will ever grow there unless the rubble is taken out. If you look in the corner you'll see huge blocks of concrete that a human wouldn't even be able to lift.

Thanks for the advice though much appreciated.

This is the company that did this and their project - as you can see it's the same neighborhood. As I said Delph, I wasn't lying about this or exaggerating anything.

skanska.pl/en/Projects/Project/?pid=428&plang=en-us

wrong project -

group.skanska.com/media/44172/Skanska-constructs-flood-protection-in-Wroclaw-Poland-for-PLN-225-M-about-SEK-416-M

That's the one - they were building some canals or something but instead of properly disposing of the rubble they figured it'd be easier to just dump it on my land.

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That's what the value was according to some website that's similar to Zillow in the US when I checked it like 6-12 months after the sale out of curiosity. I mean it's not 100% accurate but it gives a decent approximation. Even if it was $250k that's still 3x more than the $80k we got for it. We needed the money though at the time as the situation was rather desperate in the US (early US recession years, perhaps even a little before the US recession). The person who bought it must be jumping for joy now though. I'll have to look it up and see what the current value is. I don't remember the exact address by heart but I have it at home.

The house that I posted pics of though I had it formally assessed but although the home isn't worth much but there is a lot of land. I do remember when we sold the Zlotniki house it was around the time that housing prices were falling drastically in the US because we needed to sell that property to pay off the property taxes, which are ridiculously high in Chicago. But yeah, we didn't get much for it.

I don't know I mean my brain is like fried from dealing with all of this. It's in the lawyers and polices' hands now. I mean if I could stay in Poland and just focus on resolving this I would but unfortunately I had to get back to work. I will go again in a few months although this time I'm going to vacation a little before and after dealing with this situation. What I did wrong is I spent almost everyday on the phone, surrounded by paperwork and an ashtray overflowing with Marlboro Red butts. I did at least get to see my family in Wroclaw, Walbrzych, Rychwal, and Konin but even then I felt bad because I was always on the phone.

It seems like real estate prices fell a lot. When I last checked similar homes in Zlotniki a bit after the sale of ours (around 2006 - give or take 1-2 years) they were much more expensive. Also, we put it up at a very cheap price so that we could get some cash asap.

Our zlotniki home would've been almost exactly like this: 4-5 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath, 2 stories, lots of wood everywhere,

This one would come out to around $240k or so with the current exchange rates. So yeah, someone basically got the same thing for $80k.. lucky family = ) I'm kind of glad they did though since they seemed like a very nice young couple.

otodom.pl/oferta/dom-310-m-wroclaw-ID2MI7X.html#3b5c8bb9f6

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This place was in good shape, at least on the inside until this year. I let a person live there for free in exchange for maintaining it. I didn't expect a family 'friend' to rip out the fixtures and everything. Aside from hiring a full time property manager or a security guard I don't know what else I could've done - and even then it's not guaranteed that they'd even look out after the place while I'm gone.

I've already spent around $10k USD with this - counting the wages I lost while there the figure is much higher.


The issue is though I wouldn't sue the dump truck driver as he has little to no money and it's not he that decided to go there, it was his boss who told him to. We know this from interviews with the drivers. I just don't understand why the police wouldn't stop people from continuing to dump. Like they knew what the company was doing is illegall and that they are dumping on private land yet they continued to do it. They only stopped once I physically got there and start photographing the 'boss' (judging by his brand new BMW and suit and tie attire).

Once this is over, I'm putting in land mines, electrical barbed wire fences, and rabies ridden German shepherds. Ideally, I'd like them to just get the land back to the way it was. The house is old and needs a lot of remodeling or to be torn down completely. The land is zoned as agricultural because of the apple orchard that use to be there. I don't know how likely it is that they company will fix the land they destroyed which to me is actually preferable than giving me money equal to the damages. I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine fixing that land up, clearing all the rubble that the company dumped, and replanting the grass and tress would probably cost close to $1mil. Although the monetary value of this property is high, or at least use to be prior to the destruction (was appraised for 3.8 mln zloty like 2 years ago) its more of a sentimental value to me and I wanted to return to the same neighborhood I was born in and grew up (Zlotniki - not too far from Psie Pole where this house is).

I may add that we sold the Zlotniki (Wroclaw) property a bit too soon because we fell on hard times. If we would've waited just 6-12 months more we would've got around $350k-$400k USD. We got around $80k USD. This was around the time of the recession like 2008-2009ish. It was in nice shape though - little outdated kitchen and bathrooms but very cozy and well maintained.

Law / File complaint against Poland's police [97]

Don't buy property in Poland unless you yourself look after it regularly or have someone you can really really trust look after it. You can't just assume that the police will make sure no one breaks in and steals stuff. You could bribe a cop or two and pay them some money to drive around it or install cameras. Still though, leaving a property alone and unguarded in Poland is like leaving your car parked in a really bad neighborhood.

Law / File complaint against Poland's police [97]

The worst one... Keep in mind this use to be a beautiful apple orchard with 100s of trees... a big 2 story home utterly destroyed and all the land with it too... that was going to be my retirement. Quite frankly, I don't care if you believe me or not Delph the fact of the matter is I'm not BSing. I did have a local person look out for this property but he took advantage of the situation - I was letting him live there for free in return for maintaining the place which of course he failed to do. I will never purchase a property in Poland again unless I'm living in it or can stop by and see it at least weekly.

Yes, I expected the police to at least charge the people for trespassing and damage of property. I mean the cops literally saw them creating this mess but all they did was take their IDs and write down their license plates. This has been a horror.

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Law / File complaint against Poland's police [97]

Since you don't believe me Delph - here are some of the documents from the lawyers and pictures... I have over 2 dozen I can share... I had to redact some of the names and addresses of my lawyer and myself...

Sygn. akt RSD 186/16 Wrocław, 29 lutego 2016 r.

adwokat Tomasz XXXXi

pełnomocnik z wyboru

pokrzywdzonej -------
Komisariat Policji

Wrocław - Psie Pole

we Wrocławiu

WNIOSEK DOWODOWY

Jako ustanowiony pełnomocnik z wyboru pokrzywdzonej, na podstawie art.

167 § 2 k.p.k. w zw. z art. 169 § 1 k.p.k. wnoszę o zwrócenie się do firmy XXXX

S.A., 02-119 Warszawa, ul. Pruszkowska XX o wskazanie jej podwykonawców,

którzy w okresie czwartego kwartału 2015 r. oraz stycznia i lutego 2016 r. zajmowali

się usługami transportowymi w rejonie ul. Pełczyńskiej we Wrocławiu, albowiem z

zeznań świadka Ivo XXX wynika, że prace na tamtym terenie wykonywała

właśnie wskazana firma, korzystająca z pomocy podwykonawców, co w

konsekwencji wymaga ustalenia tych podwykonawców i sprawdzenia, czy to nie oni

(co jest przecież prawdopodobne) dokonali zniszczenia ogrodzenia znajdującego się

na nieruchomości pokrzywdzonej położonej przy ul. Pełczyńskiej XX oraz samej tej

nieruchomości.

Łabuda Razowski Wojciechowski adwokacka spółka partnerska

also from the lawyer

adwokat Tomasz XXXXX

pełnomocnik z wyboru

pokrzywdzonej XXXXXX- KasperXXXX
Komisariat Policji

Wrocław - Psie Pole

we Wrocławiu

WNIOSEK DOWODOWY

Jako ustanowiony pełnomocnik z wyboru pokrzywdzonej, na podstawie art.

167 § 2 k.p.k. w zw. z art. 169 § 1 k.p.k. wnoszę o zwrócenie się do firmy Skanska

S.A., 02-119 Warszawa, ul. Pruszkowska XX o wskazanie jej podwykonawców,

którzy w okresie czwartego kwartału 2015 r. oraz stycznia i lutego 2016 r. zajmowali

się usługami transportowymi w rejonie ul. Pełczyńskiej we Wrocławiu, albowiem z

zeznań świadka Ivo XXXX wynika, że prace na tamtym terenie wykonywała

właśnie wskazana firma, korzystająca z pomocy podwykonawców, co w

konsekwencji wymaga ustalenia tych podwykonawców i sprawdzenia, czy to nie oni

(co jest przecież prawdopodobne) dokonali zniszczenia ogrodzenia znajdującego się

na nieruchomości pokrzywdzonej położonej przy ul. Pełczyńskiej XX oraz samej tej

nieruchomości.

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Law / File complaint against Poland's police [97]


I can gladly send you pictures of this incident. And yes, I am in the process of doing that... I have not exagerrated anything in this story

Law / File complaint against Poland's police [97]

Jesus dude that is a crazy store - I would get your witnesses to write a statement, get a good defense lawyer, and most importantly contact the dutch embassy. That sounds like a huge pain and even worse if you left the country they may issue an international warrant. Although you never know out of sheer laziness and ineptitude.

I wonder if there is a statute of limitations in Poland? In the US for a crime like that it wouldn't go to court because it's over 2 years old. Only murder doesn't have a statute of limitations. I think you may just be wanted for questioning - I don't think you have an arrest warrant otherwise they would've picked you up already.

I'm not bsing delph... I have pictures of this I can even share - both old pictures with my parents in their 20s when they lived in that house (which was my grandmas and she gave it to me) and current pictures with the apple orchard totally dug up and the property in ruins.


It is both a civil matter and criminal matter. Criminal in the sense that the company trespassed, damaged private property, and illegally dumped. Civil in the sense that I'll have to sue them for damages to my property. First I have to get them prosecuted for the criminal so it's easier to win the civil case. It's going to be a very very long process though. I am so sick of this already I'm ready to give up on this as I simply can't afford to just keep taking off work and fly to Poland for month's and keep bugging the police to do some work. They wouldn't do anything over the phone when I called from the US so I pretty much had to go and even once I did the police didn't do anything. They didn't even make a single arrest or charge anyone - all they did was write down some info, take some statements, and that's it. It's been about 4 months since I first found out about this and still no one has been even charged or anything. If I were the owner of the company I would disband it or declare bankruptcy or something to avoid prosecution and a civil case - they certainly have enough time for it.

Law / File complaint against Poland's police [97]

I was in the US when this occurred. My aunt notified my about this as she was driving by and asked if we sold the property. I was really worried at first that maybe I forgot to pay the property taxes or something and our property got repossessed. But yeah, 100% true story. It makes me so sad because that home survived WW2 and a shady construction company managed to destroy it within a month because they were too lazy and too cheap to drive the 45 minutes to the proper disposal site. It's been a nightmare dealing with the police. Here, they would've stopped the work and probably arrested people for trespassing, damage to property, and illegal dumping. The police did NOTHING. As soon as the police left the dump trucks came back and continued dumping. They stopped once I came to Poland but who knows what's going to happen with this. All I know is that the home that I was planning on retiring in is totally ruined. I can't even sell it because no one will buy it. The property was assessed about a year ago and was worth 3.8 million zloty which is a substantial amount of money. I didn't care about that though because I was planning to live there and not sell it. Now my dream of retiring in Poland is over unless the property is either fixed or the they pay for the damage they did. I don't expect to like win the ghetto lottery - i.e. sue them for millions. However, I do want them to either fix the property (which will probably cost over $1mil dollars because of the damage) or buy the place for a fair market value. I haven't cried since my grandmother died when I was like 16 and when I saw our family home I cried. It literally looks like the place was bombed I mean they dug a hole 10 feet deep and filled it with rubble. It's been a nightmare and it's still far from being over. The sad part is I know the company that did it, I have pictures, videos, witnesses, testimonies (ironically, one of the drivers from the company is actually a family friend but of course he had no clue that this home was ours since no one lives there and he even agreed to testify in court), and despite spending thousands of dollars and 2 months out of work, I left Poland without even a complete police report because of the cops' laziness... insanity..

Law / File complaint against Poland's police [97]

I would immediately go to the Dutch embassy/consulate and explain everything that's going on. Hiring a defense lawyer may be a good idea. I am very sorry to hear that - I had a lot of problems with the Polish police also on my recent trip.

In Wroclaw, they're doing some work in my neighborhood, Psie Pole, on the Wisla river. I guess they're building canals or something. Anyway, the city hired a construction company who snuck onto our property and dug an enormous hole. We have a 1.3 hectare property that has a nice 2 story home on it and a large apple orcharch, or at least use to. Anyway, the company dug up a hole literally large enough to fit the foundation for a factory or one of those old communist bloki. The hole itself is probably approaching a hectare. All the apple trees are totally destroyed. My aunt was actually the one who found this out because she was driving next to the property and called me to tell me what was going on. I called the police but all they did was take down the driver's information of the dump trucks and excavators and their license plates. However, they allowed the work to continue and my property continued to get damaged and more and more rubble was being illegally dumped onto the property. I flew to Poland and hired a lawyer. We worked with the police who not only was totally lazy and seemingly refused to do anything, the higher-up officers began to not answer my phone calls. So I had to go in person and after a while they would hide to avoid me. They literally were like hiding and avoiding me so they didn't have to do work. In the 2 months I was in Poland they basically just started an investigation and had some license plates/ids written down. Even though I had every document showing this was my property they still didn't press charges against the company. I had to take a bunch of time off of work, spent $10,000+ on my trip, hotel, airfare, lawyers, food, etc. on top of the income lost as only about 1/4th of my trip was paid for by vacation time. This was barely a vacation. I don't think I've ever been so stressed out and frustrated in my entire life.

On the plane ride back though, as I was reading a magazine, it dawned on me that it would be a good idea to talk to the media about this and perhaps you could too. Exposing police ineptitude would be a good story. I have had several interviews lined up for next time I go to Poland about my case. I would recommend you make yours as public as possible - especially if you are innocent or there is little to no evidence to prove your guilt. Definitely hire a lawyer though and talk to your consulate. If your facing some serious charges and you are in fact guilty and the police can prove it, then I would think about taking every necessary step to avoid prison.

I am truly sorry for you - I know first hand how much of a pain it is dealing with the Polish police. Good luck to you buddy.

Life / What on earth is the fascination of Indians, Pakistanis and Nepalese with Poland? [112]

It also has to do with socioeconomic status like dalits tend to be darker than the top castes because they're more exposed to the sun.

Life / What on earth is the fascination of Indians, Pakistanis and Nepalese with Poland? [112]

Could it be perhaps a lot of the highly skilled IT people and those in the medical field will get paid more in Poland than Nepal/India/Pakistan?

History / Current Polish-Russian relations.. What do the Poles think? [60]

There is a lot of speculation still on what did and didn't happen, whether there was a genocide or not, whether the 8,000 Srebnica figure is accurate and so on. I personally don't know whether there were real war crimes or not and this is a topic that should be investigated further by independent committees. I did follow these events very closely as this was really the first of many large international conflicts that the US would become involved in my lifetime. I'm certain there were abuses on all sides - Serbs, Croats, KLA, etc. I do however know that the U.S. media is very biased and a lot of the claims weren't based on proven evidence. The media would report that the reason they couldn't find the thousands of bodies outside of Srebnica is because they were supposedly moved. Then they said that they were melted in an aluminum factory. There really isn't much evidence for or against a lot of the events that occurred. The media also ignored the Krajina 'massacre' committed by the US and Croatian forces. Even if say the Croats didn't kill the supposed 2,000 or so Serbs as claimed, they still drove out hundreds of thousands from their homes. Even the figure of Serbians raping women was lowered from 60,000 then down to 20,000 then finally only 119 documented cases were found. Besides, the commanders and politicians were investigated and tried already by the Hague. It's over and done with. Serbia is not like some international pariah like Cuba or North Korea. Yugoslavia was split up, each nationality got their own land whether fair or not, it's over and done with. I personally would've rather seen Yugoslavia stay as one like under Tito but that's history.

I have a favorable view of Serbia in the same way I support Czech Republic and Hungary. I feel that the Slavs must be united as they cannot only rely on the major European powers.

History / Current Polish-Russian relations.. What do the Poles think? [60]

I do think that Serbia would be an excellent mediator between NATO dominated Central Europe and the Russian east. This is why the whole war started in Ukraine and thousands paid the price for it. It was an important chess piece for both Nato and Russia.

I'm happy to see that at least the Slavic countries aren't being sucked into the craziness of their western neighbors.

News / Nike company breaks Polish child labour policy [7]

I was cutting 2x4s and hanging drywall before I even had hair on my balls, I don't see what the big deal is... Quite frankly, I think it made me a hard working and more ambitious person because of it and helped my family out financially at the same time.

I can understand though how people think it's cruel or a bad thing and that brings up a good question, what is better? A child working in a factory making a meager wage so he and his family don't starve or a child and the family starving because he can't find a job and his drunk dad refuses to work? In the 1st world we look as child labor as evil but in the 3rd world child labor is looked as a blessing by the locals - of course their situation is being exploited though by 1st world corporations.

Boycotts have a rather limited effect unless they are sustained for long periods of time. It's actually illegal for certain institutions to boycott certain country's goods in England. This policy was apparently implemented without any vote or debate by Parliament too.

History / Current Polish-Russian relations.. What do the Poles think? [60]


I agree with you 100% on that. The Visegrad 4 must stand firm with each other. Quite frankly, I would love to see Serbia included in this group too.


The Serbs have enjoyed close ties with Russia throughout history. After the fall of the USSR, the average Russian began to view the US very favorably - they wanted to live and work in the US, study in US schools, listen to US music, etc. etc. The bombing of Belgrade changed all that right away and Russians have viewed the US unfavorably since then.


That's what I was thinking! Why should China, Iran, Belarus, etc. be the only ones to benefit from increased trade caused by Western sanctions? I mean Russia is so hurt by sanctions and oil prices but unfortunately Poland can't really become a bigger trade partner with Russia because that could mean political backlash from the EU and losing trade with Germany and the EU. The PiS government is already in a precarious situation for their 'rule of law' violations. Merkel really has Poland by the balls.. I do know there is a good business relationship between the Poles and Russians in Kaliningrad. The politicians, not so much - they're worried about military deployments there.

I know Poland and Russia have had their share of problems. I think though with the craziness going on next door in Germany, Poland should at least consider making better relations with Russia if even only for their own financial gain through exports.

History / Current Polish-Russian relations.. What do the Poles think? [60]


That beautiful Stalinist syringe wedding cake looking 'Pajac Kultury' building in Warsaw of course! Just kidding.. to my understanding that 'gift' from the Russians was paid for by the Poles anyway.

That was actually the very first thing I wrote - I know that Poland and Russia historically did not have a good relationship. The question is if that is at all changing now as some Poles want the country to exit the EU (oftentimes because they are critical of Merkel's policies) so I am wondering if they are perhaps looking more towards Russia as a partner instead of the Eu. I guess the general consensus is no - distrust of Germany and the EU is not warranting a better relationship with Russia and Putin.

It does look like it rose a little bit from the year before for Poland.

The one thing if you look at their methodology the sample size used is very small - just over 1,000 Polish people:

Survey Methods for Poland in 2015

Country: Poland
Year: 2015
Sample Design: Multi-stage, area probability design. Primary sampling units (PSUs) are gminas (communities) stratified by province, urbanity and gmina size. Twenty-seven large gminas are selected with certainty. Within these gminas, PSUs are blocks. The number of effective PSUs is 257. Individuals within households are selected using the next birthday method. At least three attempts are made to complete the interview with the selected respondent.

Mode: Face-to-face
Languages: Polish
Fieldwork Dates: April 7 - May 13, 2015
Sample Size: 1,028
Margin of Error: 3.5 percentage points
Representative: Adult population 18 plus
Primary Vendor: Princeton Survey Research Associates International
Weighting Variables: Gender, age, education and urbanity
Design Effects: 1.28

If you pull up Germany, Russia, etc. the sample sizes are all around 1,000 as well.

History / Current Polish-Russian relations.. What do the Poles think? [60]

Well Poland has been betrayed by many countries - both Russia and the west.

I have heard of some news outlets accusing Russia of sponsoring groups in Poland and the Baltic countries. I haven't looked too much into it but it wouldn't surprise me given the situation in eastern Ukraine.

Personally, I don't think Poland should put all their faith in Germany, the EU or Russia. I don't think they should chose one side over the other though as both sides have screwed them over. Ultimately, Poland needs to continue to modernize their armed forces and think for themselves instead of going by whatever Brussels tells them to do. I think we are starting to see some changes in Poland - whether they are for the better or for the worse only time will tell.

Also, Didn't Mikke-Korwin write a pro Russian (anti-Russophobia or however it is spelled) book? I think he also stated that supposedly the snipers in Maidan were trained in Poland were CIA agents there to cause unrest or something like that.

History / Current Polish-Russian relations.. What do the Poles think? [60]

Russia has done a lot of bad and the US is suspicious of them. However, I think that the US should at least engage in more meaningful diplomatic discussion with them concerning ISIS and the middle east. They've certainly done a better job of bombing ISIS than we have and in a shorter time too. Economic sanctions don't really hurt the leaders of these countries but rather the everyday citizens. In fact,

People don't respect the US anymore. Russia, Iran, and China are starting to realize that the US isn't all that strong anymore and they can start doing what they want.

That's besides the point though. I am interested to find out what the opinion of Russia and Putin is in Poland - especially among the youth and the euro skeptics.

History / Cars made in Poland - during communist and post-communist times [23]

Not sure kpc21 - this was before my times. Communism in Poland was quite different right after WW2, different during the 60s and 70s, different during the martial law times, and different yet in the 80s right up to the explosion of the solidarity movement.

I do know that things were rationed and I actually still have an old ration card. I found it funny that the government rationed out cigarettes and alcohol.

As far as gasoline rations I have no clue but that's a good question. I do remember though having to crank up the engine on the old MB to get it going.

I've always wondering how popular Russian made cars were in communist Poland. I do know there were a bit of Ladas around. I would absolutely love to get my hands on a M13 Chaika. They're rather expensive though - $60k 70k+ for the sedans and $100k+ for the convertibles. Even when they are available they go very quickly.