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Vox   
3 Mar 2015
Life / Thoughts on "Ida" (Polish movie) [30]

"Vox - I'm saying the narrative about Polish history as presented in that film is a one-sided Jews focused perspective."

So what. Unless you think every work of fiction should present politically opposing view?

Do you really want me to repeat myself? I have already said what I have to say. Do you have a problem with it?

"You seem to imply that a. they two points of view are mutually exclusive, and b. the "Polish perspective" and the Jewish one have no commonality."

In regard to the WWII it seems to be the case.
"Not everyone in Poland shares your "perspective"
Let me quote you : "So what?"

"Though some very bad things certainly did happen"
Very bad things did happen, are happening and undoubtedly will happen.
Vox   
3 Mar 2015
Life / Thoughts on "Ida" (Polish movie) [30]

"A position of the far side, isn't it a position stating that the world may only be black or white, with no shades of grey between them"

A flawed position of weak minded i.e. those who need a map to do all that arbitral orienteering with help of tool or artificial crutches to supplement lack of certain limbs in this case lack of skill, senses or ability of your own. Instead you are always looking for grey even if there is none.

[Keep your hands off my homeland, my boy; sober or drunk, she has always been my mother.]
Keep your advices to yourself and do not try to lecture me in your patronising manner betraying a deeply ingrained sense of inadequacy.
Vox   
3 Mar 2015
Life / Thoughts on "Ida" (Polish movie) [30]

"You seem to be suggesting that the narrative about Polish history is one-sided and the majority don't have a voice."
I'm saying the narrative about Polish history as presented in that film is a one-sided Jews focused perspective.

"Voice and I suspect what you're really saying is that you don't think any opposing views should be expressed."

I'm all for different perspectives and differed views being expressed. I would only people were aware it is Jewish not Polish perspective.

"As a poster said early today, confronting all aspects of a country's history (and the history of Poland is not just the history of the Poles) is a sign of cultural maturity."

It is a worth noting, touching that patronising tone towards anyone and a nation in particular is a sure sign of a flawed or immature personality.

"Not really, since events depicted in that film did sadly occur"
Not that those events were in any way representative to what had really happened. Furthermore each of events depicted in the film taken separately remains in the realm of probability but all of them piled tight together are only possible in a fantasy world or as I said in the one-sided Jew centred narrative.

"Should such a film ever be made, it's so far from reality that nobody in the UK would care"
Nobody in Poland cared at all about it. At least before the film got the Oscar and became an icon of Poland allegedly confronting her own history and as such being a subject of patronising comments. In regard to the WWII Poland has no need nor a reason to apologize to anyone.

"Thank you for the description of the film. I haven't seen it, but as I already observed in the Polish section of the forum, judging it by the fact that it is criticised by the two sides, one should be inclined to admit it is a film which must be both fair and honest"

A man of the middle, a position considered by some to be a sign of maturity and by others as an excuse for fence sitters.
Vox   
3 Mar 2015
Life / Thoughts on "Ida" (Polish movie) [30]

"Ida" is a great film in many ways"
Sure thing if you are into one sided the Jew centred the WWII narrative I'm sure "Ida" fulfils well all those preconditions.
Vox   
3 Mar 2015
Life / Thoughts on "Ida" (Polish movie) [30]

Vox, if you visited any school history department in the UK, you'd probably be surprised at the things modern kids learn about. Even when I was in primary school we learned about the British slave trade, and I'm talking about 1972! Nowadays, most British people are well aware of the shameful episodes of their country's history. It's a sign of a mature country.

Excuse me, I might be wrong here. Has our conversations took a wrong turn while I wasn't looking? Does it pertains historical education, historical facts or a certain movie and its rather an odd take on things and history of Poland?

I must confess watching the film has been an almost exhausting chore. Not due to its historical uncomfortable trues whether they may be but due to the amount of ahistorical twists of action and completely unreliable story.

"Not uncomfortable at all, especially since nothing like that ever happened"
A hypothetical movie about British paratroopers landing in Germany and joying as guards at the Auschwitz concentration camp would have been as much historically accurate as the film you most likely haven't seen.

"The bad stories are very well documented by survivors"
How does it answer my ply for a detailed facts?
Vox   
3 Mar 2015
Life / Thoughts on "Ida" (Polish movie) [30]

"All 27 of them, never "paratroopers landing in Germany and 'joying' as guards at the Auschwitz" - that's just a lie."

I see that some find it more comforting to simplify matters according to their prejudices .
"With the film Ida, nothing is "twisted". "
Have you seen it>?
"it may be uncomfortable for people who see the world in black and white."
Like a hypothetical film about British volunteering for a guard duty in Auschwitz might be uncomfortable for you?
"The bad stuff is all well documented, however uncomfortable that is for some"
What bad stuff? Let be explicit here.
Vox   
3 Mar 2015
Life / Thoughts on "Ida" (Polish movie) [30]

History might be complex but it doesn't mean it has to be twisted. Let me ask you why there is no movies about British paratroopers landing in Germany and joying as guards at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Hey after all there was so called Britisches Freikorps and history is complex. Maybe you should make it and then when you can get all the prise for being able to address the many-faceted nature of difficult recent historical events and to come to terms with them. How about it?
Vox   
23 Feb 2015
Genealogy / How Polish am I? What is the correct formula? [58]

According to my grandmother I was a Polish prince

What has happened? Are you a Polish princess now?

We come from a very long line of surfs

Wow! Generations of surfers, have they been surfing on a long waves of a different dimension?
Vox   
22 Feb 2015
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

because no Polish woman wanted you.

Thee shall not be blessed by thou grace ye Polish women of many uses.

Please.
Vox   
22 Feb 2015
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Racism in Poland is no greater nor more dangerous than racism in the UK. So far nobody has been killed in Poland in connection with racism.
Vox   
22 Feb 2015
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

No, its a ruling class in the respective countries that is causing problems by creating conditions amicable for those people.

The subject of the thread is POLISH people and racism. Can ALL posters keep to this topic please or posts will be removed.
Vox   
22 Feb 2015
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Said one fanatic religious extremist about another group of so called religious extremist fundamentalists

I would take religion over so called secular state every day now.

A secular state claims to be neutral with regards to religious beliefs when in fact it is a myth. What is really happening is that religious values are being excluded from public domain while secular one are allowed to take a precedence.

For example the state is not neutral when it promotes so called equal right for homosexuals but rather its privileging certain secular values over less permissive religious alternatives.
Vox   
22 Feb 2015
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

kaz200972 it sounds good in theory. It doesn't plays itself out like that.
Vox   
22 Feb 2015
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Marsupial stop talking trash if you please.

MarcinBU do not concern yourself overtly with Poland. Chances are you will spend your life in the U.S.
Vox   
21 Feb 2015
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Johnny reb
Poles are not racist against Muslim and most are not racist against Blacks.