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singingfalls   
9 Sep 2015
Genealogy / Jan Kyć from Adamówka, Poland - Military Document Information [14]

Anna,
We have been through a very severe fire in our area and I have been distracted. If you google the Stouts Creek fire in Oregon you can see it.

I hope you have had a good holiday and that all is well. Please feel free to contact me via email stanley@surcp.org and I am very interested in all the information I can get on our family. This is a great forum and I am glad I found it also. My grandfather from my mother's side came from an area not far away from Adamówka also. He was born and raised in Luchów Górny, Bilgoraj, Lublin Voivodeship, Poland. His name was Wojciech Walż. Some day I hope to come to Adamówka and see the land of my ancestors. I am still seeking to find information as far back in time as I can about my family there.
singingfalls   
15 Jul 2015
Genealogy / Jan Kyć from Adamówka, Poland - Military Document Information [14]

This is fantastic! I do not believe in coincidence either. Here is a picture of the children of my great grandfather.

Kyc

Starting from the left there is Helena Kyć Kulka, Kazimierz Kyć, my Babush Kataryna Kyć Petrowska and then Anna Kyć Rutkowska.
This is a wonderful experience for me since for many many years I have been curious about my roots in Poland. I even found the name Kyć in a directory of Adamówka and sent an email without a response. The breakthrough came when £ukasz Kominko contacted me on facebook asking if I was a relative of Katarzyna Petrowski.

Thank you again for taking the initiative to contact me. I am very proud to have my ancestors come from that part of the world. I want to learn all that I can about my family.

Regards to you,
Staś
singingfalls   
14 Jul 2015
Genealogy / Jan Kyć from Adamówka, Poland - Military Document Information [14]

Ewa, Thank you so much for contacting me. This is very exciting.
The Adamówka of my grandparents is located in Podkarpackie in SE Poland. I have a relative there named £ukasz Kominko. Do you know him?

Also, what is your grandmother's first name? I can look her up in my GED file to see if she is there.

If this is the village your grandmother is from I would very much like to correspond with you. I do not have Jan Kyć birthday but he died in 1946. He was the son of Jakub and Maria Kyć. In my family there is a Kazimierz Kyć (son of Jan) who is the father of Josef Kyć, who is the father of Ewa Kyć. His sister's names where Helena, Katarzyna and Anna. Now their surnames are Kulka, Petrowska and Rutkowska respectively.

I also have an Ewa Kyć by marriage to Adam Kyć in the family also. Please let me know about you.
High regards to you,
Staś
singingfalls   
29 May 2015
Genealogy / Looking Into The Surname Bednarczuk: Ukrainian, Polish, Ruthenian, Belarusian, etc? [27]

Polonius3, I agree but given he married my grandmother who was from Adamówka, Poland and that Dzjadek consistently claimed Polish ethnicity I lean toward accepting it. That said, my younger brother claims that when Babush and Dzjadek would argue that she would say, "You Ruski!" (Phonetic). I never heard the phrase myself but Dzjadek spoke Polish and I never heard him say a word of English. I know the records that are associated with my paternal line from the old country are in Latin. Either way, we are of haplogroup I2a and subclade I-4882 which is generally accepted as Polish. No matter, I am not concerned. The distance of all of my ancestry is no more than 160 miles radius geographically with all maternal relatives and my paternal grandmother from the southern Poland. He never gave his nationality as Polish. He claimed Russian "nationality" but Polish "race" on the ships manifest.
singingfalls   
6 May 2015
Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

For your entertainment and totally off topic:

Just a side note. During the great migration of the turn of the last century it was very common to put your ethnic origins in the place of "Race" on the ships manifest.

And the second side note. Poland comes in second in quality of education in the world.
oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/00005000000
singingfalls   
12 Mar 2015
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

KUKIE£KA: from kukła (puppet, doll, effigy)

Thank you so much for your kind attention. Yes, I remember the puppet show very well. My wife's first puppy was named Kula.
High regards,
Stan
singingfalls   
28 Feb 2015
Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]

Just to enhance the subject thread. Here is my Polish eye. When I was a little boy they used to call me "whitey" because my hair was platinum blonde. The other image is a construct from the dna analysis of a man found in a cave in Spain. La Brana man.


  • my eye

  • La Brana eye
singingfalls   
25 Feb 2015
Genealogy / Jan Kyć from Adamówka, Poland - Military Document Information [14]

Thank you all for your time. Yep, I get the Kyć innuendo. Heard it elsewhere on the net regarding the surname. That said, my grandmother, his progeny, was a wise strong woman with a very gentle spirit that raised a large family. I have nothing but respect for my Polish ancestors from what I have learned so far.

I know Jan Kyć had the dubious task of sending his 16 year old daughter to the USA in 1913 with 25$ US. That was a considerable amount of money at the time. He had insight into what was coming I believe. She lived a good comfortable life relatively speaking. Good decision from my perspective but a tough one nonetheless. My grandmother married my grandfather three years later in 1916. He was a factory worker here in the States. Babush returned to Poland often to bring clothes, food and money. There surely must be an army record somewhere describing Jan Kyć army service. I just am not sure where to start.

Polonius3, Thank you for the entomological information regarding the name. It is informative and appreciated.

Polonius3: And thank you for the Kyć derivative.

For the record in this thread:

KYĆ: Ruthenianised verison of the Old Polish word kicz* which once meant a club, stick or bludgeon, suggesting that the first person to acquire this nickname must have been quite a thug or brawler.

(I, as one of the offspring of Jan Kyć take full ownership of the name though the nickname concept is purely speculative on your part. He could have been a protector and even if not, I like it. Again, thanks for the enlightenment.)

*In modern Polish kicz means kitsch..
singingfalls   
24 Feb 2015
Genealogy / Jan Kyć from Adamówka, Poland - Military Document Information [14]

This is a record of my honorable great grandfather Jan Kyć who is from Adamówka, Poland. It is a military record of some kind. What do you all suggest by way of deriving information about him through this document if I may ask? Any help is appreciated.

Polish document
singingfalls   
23 Feb 2015
Genealogy / How Polish am I? What is the correct formula? [58]

AmericanPatriot:

Were your ancestors Slavic inbreds? (Just kidding)

I seriously asked that question myself and did a series of dna analysis tests to find my closest was 5th cousins a couple of generations back. Ancestry and FTDNA had me up there. I didn't do 23andme because of the software issue being proprietary and unusable with the algorithms associated with A, Ft and Gedmatch.

TheOther:

Ethnicity is meaningless after a few generations. People mix.

I could agree to a degree but that was the point of my statement regarding the Native Americans in my area. Many have French surnames because of trapping in the 1700s.

If they were 1/8 and can trace their families back to the remnant then they were registered officially and accepted as ethnic Native American. Though they were mixed, the fragment of their ethnicity that remained made a difference to them and the USA government. But I do agree heartily with you that it can get complicated. (In particular, here in the US). For the record, I place personal character and wisdom far beyond ethnicity in my scale of importance.
singingfalls   
23 Feb 2015
Genealogy / How Polish am I? What is the correct formula? [58]

Ancestry and FTDNA. They are very close for autosomal. I am currently waiting for my full mtDNA and Y-67. Supposedly due between the 5th and the 5th. I am considering Big-Y. Are you familiar with it?
singingfalls   
23 Feb 2015
Genealogy / How Polish am I? What is the correct formula? [58]

Roger5 :) According to my grandmother I was a Polish prince. Hahahahaha. We come from a very long line of surfs. Actually the 82% figure is average "Eastern European" which includes Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine and Belarus. So some could be less and others more. It just so happens my families have been in Poland for many generations.
singingfalls   
23 Feb 2015
Genealogy / How Polish am I? What is the correct formula? [58]

Hahahaha. You all make me laugh.

Roger 5. I was actually quite surprised at the results myself. I marveled that after so many invasions there was nothing to indicate that Russian, German, Roman etc was in the mix. The average Pole is 82%. Mine was 99%+. Your statement that dna analysis is not exact science belies the fact that people go to capital punishment or are freed from prison based in it.

Also, I found strong influences of Ust' Ishim. I told my wife that we either carried large clubs, were to ugly to breed with or hid very well in the swamps.
singingfalls   
23 Feb 2015
Genealogy / How Polish am I? What is the correct formula? [58]

I live in an area where there are descendants of Native Americans. By the standards of some here they are just Americans. They were conquered, slaughtered and sent to "reservations". They were stripped of their national identities and national status. They considered themselves Native American. In 1982 they were given their Sovereign Nation status back by the citizens of the United States because it was recognized that it was unjustly stripped from them. There are few of them who are more than 1/8 blood. Now they are once again a Native American tribe with all the rights and privileges of an independent nation. They hold duel citizenship but hold their alliance to their Sovereign Tribe first and foremost. There are those among the natives that refuse to acknowledge any citizenship other than the Sovereign Nation to which they belong. This place is not America to them. I am a non-native European American in their eyes. I am a descendent of Europeans in their eyes. The distinctions are real.

The above explains why ethnicity is important. I firmly believe that ethnicity and nationality are two very distinct and important aspects of an individuals identity. I can change the nation in which I was born or live in but I can not change my ethnicity. To ask why a person could be proud of their ethnicity is like asking why a person could be proud of their handsomeness or beauty. Another example might be in the case of a Jew born anywhere in the world. They are accepted into Zion if they are ethnically a Jew or religiously a Jew. This is not hard to understand.

I come from an entirely Polish family. My dna tests declare me to be entirely Eastern European. I grew up in a Polish home with Polish traditions, language and culture but was born in America. My relatives in Poland believe I am Polish. My grandmother took trips back to Poland during the difficult times there with clothing and money to help her family. They are my family also. I live in America as an American citizen, served in its military during war and currently have a very comfortable life relative to the rest of the world. I am Polish through and through. I was born in America.

Some people like to argue. Generally they are considered sick and difficult to be around. That's easy to understand.

Let the flames begin.
singingfalls   
16 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Wlaz and Petraszczuk, Piotrowski [10]

Polonlus3, Yes, this is the monumental task I have been facing. Even once he settled on Petrowski, the census takers in the US spelled his full name three different ways. On top of that Khrabuzna has been spelled several different ways. There is a lesson here somewhere I am sure. It must be so. I have found several "Petraszczuk surnames in the former Galicia. Very very few in Poland. Even Petrowski is rare there. My grandfather's brother immigrated also and changed his name to Piotrowski. So far it has been all of these names related to him unequivically.

Luwik Petraszczuk
Ludwig Petraszczuk
Ludwik Petroski
Ludwig Petrowski
Louis Petrowski...
Khrabuzna
Chrabuża
Chraburna
Hzabusnia

Quite the ride.
Now I am searching out the ship manifests and have only found 1 possibility. It is here:

Dzjadek

Ludwik Petraszuk. Is this Djadek? He did arrive at Phila. His mother's name was Anastasia. He was a Polish Russian (Czar Russia I believe). But is Ratusno equal to Khrabuzno?

Thank you for your interest.

Mod: Thanks for watching. Link corrected.

TheOther, It turns out as far as initial testing that I am 9.99% East Europe. No Russian. No German.
singingfalls   
15 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Wlaz and Petraszczuk, Piotrowski [10]

I had a copy of that one but there are some inconsistencies. The couple of blazing CONSISTENCIES is that the my grandfather's mother's name was Anastasia and his port of departure was Hamburg! On the other hand his naturalization papers say his port of entry was Philadelphia and that he arrived in Sept 1912. Then again, he signed his naturalization papers 30 years after his arrival. Thirty years ago is pretty foggy for me. I remember the big picture but details? Nah.

His naturalization papers also say he is from Khrabuzna, Russia. Here are some links. Tell me what you think.

Naturalization paper

singingfalls.com/images/genealogy/ludwik/161762 Ludwik Petrowski.pdf broken link

Naturalization paper
singingfalls   
13 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Wlaz and Petraszczuk, Piotrowski [10]

Hahahahaha! That is close to what my babush told me when I introduced her to my Russian, Molokan wife. :) "No! She is American", she said. But she said that the landlord in Poland only took 10% and the .govs etc take much much more. That said, I am American by nationality not ethnicity. Though I have voluntarily fought in a US war, I always described myself as Polish American. Thank you so much for the leads. I am grateful for your attention.

TheOther, WOW! Great tool that village list. Great tool. Thanks again.
singingfalls   
13 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Wlaz and Petraszczuk, Piotrowski [10]

Looking for genealogy advise. Please excuse the long post.

I'm old. A month ago, out of the blue, a relative Poland contacted me on FaceBook! I have been looking for years for some way to find the roots of my past. He sent me a picture of my great grandfather and a photo album of our family tree with a picture of my grandmother included from when she visited Poland in the 1950's or 60's. 0_0 I was excited.

Since then I have found her birth certificate and many other interesting facts about her side of the family going way back to close to the late 1700's. Names and dates included. She is from Adamówka, Poland. She came to the USA at the age of 16 in 1913 according to the Ellis Island ship manifest. The relative is very much into genealogical studies for his family which is helpful. Success with Katrazyna Kyć!

Dzjadek on the other hand was very difficult to pin down and the story is still not complete. Nevertheless I am hot on the trail. I found census information from 1920, 30 and 40. Very helpful and confusing at the same time. Each census spelled his name differently. I always thought I was Petrowski through and through. The census had him down at Ludwik Petroski, Loius Petrowski and finally Ludwig Petrowski. His naturalization papers were the shocker. His real name was Ludwik Petraszczuk! He changed it formally in 1943 to Ludwik Petrowski. Everywhere I could find he proclaimed himself Polish and his nationality Russian. His Soviet era birth record tells an interesting story. His father's name was Stanislaw and his mother's name was Anastasia. He was from Khrabuzna in what is now Ukraine. So am I Russian, Polish or Ukrainian? I claim Polish. I am unable to find the ship manifest that records his entry to the US. He departed from Hamburg in 1912 is all I know. No Ellis Island record that I could find. Naturalization papers say he arrived in Philadelphia and I have been looking everywhere on this.

My mother was Polish also. Her maiden name was Wlaz (Wlas or Wlasz). I have not been able to track down her lines at all. There is a clue from a very elderly aunt that she may have relatives in Poznan who once taught at the university there. I am not succeeding at all with that half of my house.

I have become obsessed with this and have not done anything else for a month. (Guilt over neglected duties). I have stored dozens and dozens of web site links and have four DNA tests I am waiting on.

Guidance would greatly be appreciated.