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JollyRomek   
13 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

There is not Silesian in writing because until recently there were no a Silesian dialect but in fact there are Silesian dialects a fact you apparently know nothing about.

Assuming that you are referring to the fact that the "Silesian alphabet" was just created recently, I can not understand your post. Even if it was created a month ago, it would not change the fact that Silesian differs to Polish in writing. A fact you simply can not dispute, no matter how many times you repeat that I do not know nothing about it.

there are Silesian dialect

Yes, something that was never disputed here.
JollyRomek   
13 Apr 2015
Life / Polish ID number - Numer Dowodu Osobistego required in Poland [7]

It has been wrecking my head for some time and now, that I wanted to order a new phone contract online, I finally had enough.

It seems that hardly any bank or in this case internet shop in Poland takes into consideration that some people (foreigners) do not have a "numer dowodu osobistego" or the one they have (identity card number or passport number) does not match the Polish criteria of ABC000000 for example.

When I applied for my credit card, this was already wrecking my head because although some banks have the application form in English, it became useless when they ask for the identity card number. Same now for Play.pl which when ordering a new contract, is asking for the identity card number with the Polish criteria which I can not provide as my passport is German.

Does anyone know how to go about this? Is there some kind of document (ID card or something else) a foreigner can get in Poland that would have a "numer dowodu osobistego"?
JollyRomek   
13 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

Trust to Serbs.

Now here is something we should definitely not do, unless you have something that can back your claims up?

Silingi were not Germanic but they were Sarmatian tribe

That is simply not true. They Silingi were part of the Germanic tribe "Vandals".
JollyRomek   
12 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

Jolly what Wikipedia says:

I believe that Wikipedia also refers to the fact that Silesian differs to Polish in writing.

Are you not to able to grasp the concept of language vs. dialect? I understand that maybe it is difficult for you to understand the language thing seeing that the most exotic thing you probably ever heard is the Kentucky accent.

Here in Europe though we do have different languages, not just dialects or accents. If you ever make it over here, I am happy to show you.
JollyRomek   
12 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

What all this chattering has to do with the fact that Silesians is a dialect?

It is a fact that Silesian is not a Polish "dialect" but a language for the simple reason that it differs to Polish in writing. Do you want to dispute that fact?

Sorry, let me re-phrase that......

Are you even able to dispute that fact with your limited knowledge of Poland and Silesia? Surely, to understand the topic at hand it would be beneficial to have stepped foot into Poland and for that matter into Silesia.

Seeing that you are only able to grace this forum from across the big pond without having ever visited Silesia, I would assume that it is difficult for you to understand why Silesian is not just a dialect.

But I am more than open to listen to your explanations.
JollyRomek   
12 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

Its all within Slavia.

Ah ok. So, it is all within "Slavia". I believe we have heard similar arguments when Serbs went on a rampage in Kosovo to rape women and kill children. It was all within Serbia, right?

Nobody within Slavia can`t secede Slavic land and attach it to other civilization.

Let me make one thing clear to you. There is no such thing as "Slavia"
Unless it is something that exists only in your bedroom when you walk through your wardrobe door. Perhaps you have some kind of special place there.

It can`t merge with Germany.

For now, it is about the status of the language. Let's cross other bridges when we come to it. And even if the people of Silesia would decide that they prefer to join Germany, which would be ignored by Germany anyway, it would not be anyone's choice but the choice of the good people of Silesia no matter how much you start kicking and screaming.
JollyRomek   
12 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

Let us hope that some people don`t suggest violation of sovereignty and borders of Poland.

Well, the last time we have seen the sovereignty of a country crippled, when a minority asked for more rights for use of their language, was when you said that "Russian speakers can do what their want with their territory".

Now you are saying that Silesian people can't have the same rights because it would be anti-Slavic or anti-Polish?

As we concluded

- that you have double standards!
JollyRomek   
11 Apr 2015
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [737]

often times a certain investigative reporter is called names such as "crackpot"

In this case however, all he is doing is spread claims which he can not back up. It has been shown many times. He has even been brought to court by Gerhard Schroeder, Germany's ex Chancellor.

Needless to say that he also lost that case.

It is not investigative journalism when someone comes up with new theories and claims constantly in the hope that one day he is right.
JollyRomek   
11 Apr 2015
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [737]

Juergen Roth

Juergen Roth is hardly a source you want to proudly mention when trying to argue your case. He has been in court several times, had to either take his books of the market completely or had to publish revised versions.

He has lost several court cases due to the fact that he was not able to proof his claims .

Hardly someone you would want to base your argument on.
JollyRomek   
11 Apr 2015
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [737]

You asserted the pilot MIGHT have made a landing error

I have never said he "MIGHT have made a landing error". The pilot decided to land the plane, despite the fact that he knew it was not safe to do so. He did because Kaczinski told him to land.

There is no room for speculation. No room for conspiracy theories.
JollyRomek   
11 Apr 2015
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [737]

@ Lyzko, no one here has ever said that the pilot was suicidal and brought the plane down on purpose. However, he made the mistake of attempting to land the plane because Kaczinski demanded that he would land.

As the pilot, he is in charge of the plane no matter how much Kaczinski wants him to land. If he deems it unsafe to land, he should not have attempted anyway just because Kaczinski wanted him to.

No one here has ever mentioned anything about the pilot being suicidal. How you got to that conclusion is simply beyond me.
JollyRomek   
11 Apr 2015
Travel / Getting from Krakow to Warsaw [99]

If you take Polskibus, the bus stop is about 25 minutes away from Centralna. By bus to Krakow it takes roughly five hours so your best bet is to just get the train. Price is around 60 zlotych.
JollyRomek   
11 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

It has nothing to do with my logic but everything to do with reality.

Reality is that Silesian even differs from Polish in writing. Do you now want to dispute that fact also?

nd fact that Chinese, Russian, Dutch and French are not dialects has nothing to do

Oh but it does. Your inability to understand the reference to Dutch is solely your problem. You claimed that if a Polish person understands Silesian it means that Silesian is a Polish dialect. Following your logic, if a German person understands Dutch, Dutch is nothing but a German dialect.

Post your reply to your mama.

Exactly the response i would have expected from someone who has no further arguments. Did you look at the link "TheOther" posted in post 67?

Dobranoc maly :)
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

to violent Germanziation

Any examples you want to share with us? As far as I remember Silesians chose to vote to remain as part of Germany due to the economic progress and the rather high standard of living back in the day. They didn't vote yes because they were forced to do so.

Unless you have some facts you want us to discuss?
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [737]

I was shocked to read

Shocked by what? That a Polish pilot brought down the plane because someone told him to land although he should have refused? What is it that shocks or surprises you?
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

the fact Dutch is not a dialect has nothing to do with the fact that Silesian is a dialect. Connection you are trying to make between those two facts is in fact a logical fallacy.

It was you who said -

a Polish native speaker that he can understand Silesian without difficulty. It means Silesian is in fact a dialect of the Polish language

- So I as a native German understand Dutch and following your logic, Dutch must be a dialect of German.

Come up with something substantial. You bore me.........

Are not aware of the fact that Silesians organized uprising to join Poland?

Sure, A "joint Silesian uprising against the Germans". That is why the Ruch Ultras still hang up their "Oberschlesien" banner. Because they hate their German roots so much. Again.........don't bore me.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

anti-Slavic ideas in Silesians.

You see. That's the problem, or your problem. Nobody speaks of anti-anything. That's something only in your imagination. If the Silesian people want to speak their own language, it does not mean that they are anti-polish or anti-slavic. If they voted to be part of Germany, it does not mean that they hate Poland.

You are displaying something that leads back to Russia. "Don't want to be part of the Union so you are against us" instead of just accepting the fact that sometimes people like to make their own decisions.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

Logical fallacy.

So you are saying that Dutch is just a German dialect because Germans can understand it? Same as Poles can understand Silesian so it must be a Polish dialect, nothing more?

I was sure Silesians had been fighting against their Germans overlords in 1920/21 to became Poles.

They fought their "German overlords" by voting yes (in most cities / towns) to remain part of Germany? Now that seems strange to me.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

I have been sure that Silesian wanted to became a part of Poland by picking up guns and fighting against their German overlords.

You may want to look at the 1920 / 21 referendums held in cities / towns across Silesia. Voting "yes" to remain as part of Germany is far away from from "fighting against German overlords".
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

You have been told by a Polish native speaker that he can understand Silesian without difficulty. It means Silesian is in fact a dialect of the Polish language.

Does it?

So, is Dutch in fact a dialect of German, just because Germans can understand it?

I would pay you to stand on the main square of Amsterdam, handing out leaflets telling the Dutch that their language is just a German dialect because Germans can understand it. If you let me film and publish it.

How would know that not being a Pole yourself?

Because I am quite involved in the topic of Silesia and Pomerania. It is quite an interesting topic for me.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

There must be some way of love

You mean the way Mother Russia is showing her love to her children in Ukraine at the moment? Or how Mother Serbia went on a killing spree in Kosovo, Bosnia and Croatia to -

tell them that we need them

?

I think the Silesian people are well able to decide for themselves what they need and want without the "motherly love" of your "slavic kind".
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

who is professor and expert in linguistics

Well, your professor, "expert in linguistics" seem to have forgotten about the fact the Silesian differs to Polish in writing. Therefore, it simply can not be just a dialect. If it was the same in writing, I would actually consider his points. As it differs in writing, and hence can not be just a dialect, I have to conclude that he is either a very bad "expert" or his opinion is somehow politically motivated.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

those regions speaking dialects

Yes, I agree. It is a nice and comfortable way of "forgetting" how these regions actually became Polish. Just a pity that the people of Silesia see it differently. Specially those 500000 who stated that the "dialect", as some Poles call it, is actually their native language.

But at the end of the day, there is no argument whether or not this is a language or a dialect. A dialect does not differ from the language when it is put in writing. It remains the same. For example Austrian German and proper German or "High German". I sometimes do wonder if Austrians speak a different language when they talk. I need to listen closely. In writing, it is exactly the same. Here we can talk about a dialect.

Silesian however differs to Polish in writing too. As Ziemowit has said he was able to make out what the article he read in 1990 was about, but that is only because it is similar and the context of the article was understandable. But, similar does not equal the same. Here we can not talk about a dialect.

I do speak Dutch but at the time when I did not speak Dutch, let's say 15 years ago, I was still able to understand and read Dutch and get the context. The Dutch would have chased me out of their country if I would have said that Dutch is only a German dialect because I can understand and read it.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

Sorry, Romek, but this is the way how you develop your arguments in the discussion. It is jolly amusing,

How else would I argue? I have admitted to have been wrong. Then I proceeded to say that regardless of the fact that the government may not have recognized it as a regional language yet, the 500000 people who said that their native language is Silesian, see Silesian as a language.

I am not sure what your problem with this is. If you prefer to see it as a dialect, that's fine for me but the 500000 people would disagree with you.

What is more to it, professor Jan Miodek is not politically motivated nor is he part of the PF tribal wars.

Neither is a friend of mine from Zabrze, yet he says that his native language is Silesian. He too is not politically motivated at all.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

Have you checked your sources well?

I just did and you are right. It was not recognized as a regional language yet. But the notion for it was put forward.

However, it does not change the fact that over 500000 people have declared Silesian as their native language. Just because you and other Poles want to make them believe that it is only a dialect, does not change the fact that for those people it is a language.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

Why do you say "it is"?

Because Silesian has been officially classed as a "regional language" in Poland. That makes it a language, not just an accent or dialect.

opinion

It is an opinion shared by the Polish government. Otherwise they wouldn't have granted Silesian the status of regional language.
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

(some proof that Sileasian is not really a language separate from Polish).

It is a separate language however similar to Polish it may be. And it is not only spoken in the Polish part of Silesia but also in the Czech part.

In the 2011 Polish census, about 500000 people declared Silesian as their native language.

"Schlesiche Nachrichten"

There are quite a few German language newspapers in Silesia. Here is a link to a list of the main publications:
press-guide.com/poland.htm
JollyRomek   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [177]

The referendums had nothing to do with "Drang nach Osten" because at the time, these cities and towns were already part of Germany. The referendum asked the question whether or not they would like to remain as part of Germany. No "Drang nach Osten" or "Anschluss" involved.
JollyRomek   
9 Apr 2015
Law / Polish Visa Refused, Going To Make Appeal, What should I do ? [79]

A small bank account is a red flag

What is a small bank account? How do you define it? And more importantly, a bigger bank account still does not mean that the person will return home. Visas are issued on the basis of the persons willingness to return. A 1000 euro or 1000000 Euro bank account does not give any information about the persons willingness to return.

credible ties to their homelands.

More like it.