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szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Legia fans caused a lot of damage in Italy. Lazio fans caused none in Warsaw. If I'm wrong, then please post a link showing any of the damage in Warsaw caused by Lazio fans.

There wasn't any.
szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Life / Conflicting views about life in Poland? [45]

the cars in the car park outside seem to resemble the stock of a new or nearly new car showroom. .

Perhaps Polish people just take more pride in their cars.

There seems to be two Polands: the former, as described by Delphi and yourself, which exists on Polish Forums, and the latter, where Poles actually live.
szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Life / Conflicting views about life in Poland? [45]

Indeed so, yet I look out on to the streets here and see new car after new car, and the apartment prices seem to be pricey. How is this possible?

I don't notice this. It all depends on where you happen to live, I suppose.
szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Who are real thugs according to you.

The images in my previous post should provide a few visual clues. ;)
szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

What is it that drives a person to take a weapon to a football match? And what drives people to use them there?

And why do the Polish police not arrest the real thugs? Well that's something of a 'no brainer'. I know who I'd feel more confident about arresting:





szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Language / I need advice - how long does it take to learn Polish? [70]

It's exactly the same for English subtitles of the Welsh soap opera 'Pobol y Cwm'.

People read more slowly than they hear, therefore translating the whole dialogue is impractical.
szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Language / Please help me understand Polish adverbs [30]

One that I always found funny was saying dobra instead of dobrze for a way to say okay.

I'm not Polish, but am interested in the intricacies of Polish grammar. As far as I can make out, 'dobrze' would normally be the correct form here.
szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Very true. I also think the police shouldn't arrest those not carrying knives for no reason at all. I think the police should arrest criminals and not ordinary citizens.

What do you think?
szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Language / Please help me understand Polish adverbs [30]

I never know when to use "dobry" or "dobrze".. and no one seems to be able to explain it to me.

'dobrze' is the adverb. There is no one form to tell you what the adverb is in Polish, although adverbs often end in 'o'.

And apparently it's proper to say "Mam dużo pracy", and I know that it means "I have a lot of work," but it seems to me that "a lot of" is a modifier of "work" rather than of "I have". Yet "dużo" is an adverb.

That's a very interesting question, and one I have never thought about before. 'Dużo' here is and adjective rather than an adverb. 'Mam dużo dzieci' (I've got a lot of children). 'Mam duże dzieci' (I've got big children).

'Dużo' means 'many'.

Unfortunately, very often you simply have to 'feel' the language, and the grammar books won't really help you. Sorry about that. Polish is a b1tch of a language.
szczecinianin   
8 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Szczecinianin, are you friends with Macierewicz?

I'll humour you for once. Supposing the Polish president and his entourage had disappeared in Russia, without any evidence of a plane crash, what should we believe then?

Would you just accept the word of the Russians that a plane crash had happened?
szczecinianin   
7 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Belgian police btw take a very dim view of people carrying knives, and regard them as a threat.

Good. But none of the hundred-and-fifty Lazio fans arrested on the day of the match were carrying knives.
szczecinianin   
7 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

You keep on defending knife-carrying. Google "Lazio" and "violence". And see what comes out.

Google just about any major football club and violence and see what comes out.

And think. Why in democratic countries with a policy of pre-emptive arrests, zero tolerance, hooligan terrorism has been routed?

That's a very good question.

I think that kind of thing has worked very well in the UK.

It was achieved by the UK police targetting the UK's own thugs, and not by looking for scapegoats from abroad.
szczecinianin   
7 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

From people who weren't actually threatening its citizens? It's your turn to 'think'.

The action of the Polish police had nothing to do with crime prevention.

It was a cheap propaganda exercise to make the public believe the police were doing their job effectively, by arresting a harmless group of normal fans, and portraying them as something they were not.

They don't have either the bravery or the competence to take on the real thugs.
szczecinianin   
7 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Why do you keep on going defending a gang of knife-carrying Lazio kiboli? And why do you think carrying a knife in public is perfectly normal?

Why do you think normal fans should be arrested at random?

I don't think any of those arrested on the day of the match were carrying knives.

If all you have to go on is prejudice, there is little or no sense in debating with you.
szczecinianin   
7 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

No, I didn't refuse to watch any links you posted.

You did, and you admitted having done so. Imho. any further interaction with you is pointless.

A first hand account from one of the Lazio fans arrested:

We were surrounded by a police cordon, who checked our identity cards and took our pictures. This all happened in a relaxed manner, without any shouting or bad language. There were around 100 - 120 people (8 Poles, 2 Danes, the rest Polish) and we did what the police told us to do.

sz-n.com/2013/12/detained-by-the-police-in-rome-a-lazio-fan-tells-his-story/
szczecinianin   
6 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

is not a reason to give people here on PF false information.

The information isn't false. You refused to watch the links I posted and relied on what a friend had told you. You even admit this in the post above.
szczecinianin   
6 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Again, prove that I didn't want to look at some evidence you provided or stop lying.

I'm not lying though, am I. I asked you time and time again to actually watch the documentary you were complaining so bitterly about, I even provided you with a link to enable you to do so, but you refused, and kept writing, "a good friend told me, over and over and over again."

Therefore, I have good reason to believe you are not seriously interested in 'evidence'.

What interests you is whether you believe someone has said something 'good' or 'bad' about Poland, and this is how you go about forming your judgements.
szczecinianin   
6 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Here you are showing some ability to 'debate'. :)

Yes, very often the evidence comes only from the police themselves.

However, we are talking about a hundred-and-fifty arrests, at a high profile match, in the centre of a capital city. It stretches credulity that a major incident could have taken place without anyone other than the police witnessing it.

I'd also point out that I have personally seen some football related disturbances, both as a fan and as a photographer, which gives me some insight. I have also seen the first hand accounts of those arrested, and they strike me as being plausible.

szczecinianin:In fact your argument have been based on assumption that Lazio fans would get serious weapon (presumably swords and pistols) to mean business.

No, I'm not. You're off into strawman land again. Try harder.
szczecinianin   
6 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

After all, they could have gone peacefully to the stadion and back to their hotel.

I believe that's what most of them did.

I don't unquestioningly accept the police's version of events.

There is no third party evidence, apart from that of the police themselves, of the fans having caused serious disorder on the day of the match.

Btw, I don't like your use of words such as 'scum' and 'animals'. Lazio are a big club with literally millions of supporters. They may have a lunatic fringe, but most of their fans are normal people.
szczecinianin   
6 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

As you might say, 'a good friend told me'.

You didn't want to look at the evidence the last time we had a discussion, despite repeated requests to do so, so why this time?

That's why I don't take you seriously as a poster.

I am reasonably confident about what I have written, as I have researched it all thoroughly.

But I think attempting to convince an 'Ironside light' type poster such as yourself would be a waste of my time and energy as you don't appear to have an open mind in such matters.
szczecinianin   
5 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

For terror suspects its 14 days (Lazio fans have been suspected of terrorist offenses in the past and they are neo-Nazi).

What, all million or so of them?

Brits have got form for hooliganism.

Would you therefore lock up anyone carrying a British passport as a 'preemptive measure'?
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

You can go to court and sue for unreasonable arrest.

Let's hope that some of those arrested make use of this right, then.
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

This is not the first time this week that you've displayed your xenophobia against Poles.

Either there is evidence of wrong-doing on the part of those arrested or there is not.

Either the Polish police are competent or they are not.

Or should the Polish police be allowed to just do as they please without being criticised, for fear of offending Poles?

Whether I am right or wrong, or rather whether the Italians arrested were guilty of wrongdoing, is all that interests me.

Why not confine your comments to the facts, which are that 150+ Italians were arrested without any serious disturbances having taken place.

If 'football fans' are carrying weapons it's usually because they intend to use them.
I don't see a problem with pro-active policing in this case (although I am aware what Paulina has said about the arrests occuring after the Police being attacked).

The 'weapons' were allegedly found in hotel rooms. Those allegedly carrying them were deported to Italy before the match. None of the main group of supporters who were arrested on the day of the match were carrying weapons.

I don't trust the Polish police. Do you know about the incident in Gdynia, where a group of Mexican competitors at the tall ships races were attacked by football hooligans? (This was in August). The police didn't intervene, and arrested the competitors rather than the hooligans. The following day they falsely claimed it was the Mexicans who started the violence.

The incident led to the disciplinary proceedings against senior officers.

If you don't believe me I can provide evidence. And if I provide the evidence will you withdraw the allegations of xenophobia?
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Nope. You arrest them before they can destroy and attack. The legal niceties can be sorted out later on.

Normal fans? Why?

Paulina, all that's lacking in your mountain of irrelevancies is any kind of proof that those arrested had done anything wrong .....

150+ arrests, no damage, no-one injured, no nothing.

If anyone can show me any damage or injuries caused by the Lazio 'hooligans' in Warsaw, then I'll change my opinion that Polish police are a bunch of incompetent cowards.
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Fair enough. Who knows, you might be a potential Brevik. Better safe than sorry, eh.
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Who, Lazio fans? As I wrote already this could be a preemptive measure taken by the police (as they knew what Lazio and Polish ultras are capable of). I don't mean the arrests themselves, since the police was attacked*, but the number of arrests.

You don't arrest let alone charge people as a preemptive measure. It goes against all concepts of justice.

Would you arrest all men on the grounds that they are capable of rape?

*As I've read they've been arrested for attacking police officers and public disturbance. 149 of them have been released, 22 are still in custody.

'Read' being the key word here. But no serious damage to persons or property reported.

I mean what I wrote. You refuse to look at evidence when it doesn't suit your argument.

You don't have any basic conception of 'justice', do you. What is relevant to any case is what the person or persons concerned did, and not the actions of others some years previously.
szczecinianin   
4 Dec 2013
Life / Lack of human rights in Poland? [132]

Is it possible that the police had intelligence that there was going to be trouble in revenge for what happened in Rome a while ago, but they got it completely wrong?

That's probably what happened. Overkill. If they wanted to prevent trouble all they had to do was stay with the Lazio fans. You can't arrest people for what you imagine they might do.

For me, it's ridiculous that they're going to such extremes against foreigners yet completely failing to do anything about the problems within domestic football.

They are lazy. The foreigners (particularly Italians) were easy targets.

Btw my Grandad had a cushy job in WW2. Guarding POWs. (Italians).