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Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Using big words is not going to change the fact that you failed to provide any hard evidence of Polish propensity for lying, cheating and corruption which would be specific to that nation. You can try to spin it any way you wish and it will still be a failure. Your car-salesman examples were pathetic.

Jadis, you are so on the back foot here.

Give me examples of Poland being the most honest nation in Europe for a start, we won't go global at this stage - just Europe only?

I'm not boletus. And don't need to know Polish reality at all. The hard fact is that Poles are nothing special when it comes to cheating

My quote was: jadis, a.k, boletus not jadis a.k.a boletus, seems you are a bit paranoid jadis old boy - what are you hiding?

In Poland corruption is rife. I've never denied it, but sometimes I feel like foreigners on this board are exaggerating a bit.
I'm giving up this discussion.

It is what it is a.k, so accept it, if you wish to discuss dishonesty in any other country open a new thread, this thread is Poland specific, no matter how much you, boletus, magda and jadis squirm like slippery pigs, It is what it is and that is fact.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Well, not a single shop was even entered by the young people rioting in Warsaw on 11 November. Nothing whatsoever got stolen, though the opportunity presented itself. Won't you agree that in this case, the Polish nation demonstrated a very high level of moral integrity?

Over 50% of the rioters in Warsaw were German.

Sure, the reason is simple: a lot of people, given the opportunity, will lie and cheat.

It still does not make it acceptable, this is the problem as a Pole you are justifying lying and cheating as being a norm, as a Brit I am saying it is not a norm should not be considered a norm and those that practice it should be considered outcasts.

Well, not a single shop was even entered by the young people rioting in Warsaw on 11 November. Nothing whatsoever got stolen, though the opportunity presented itself. Won't you agree that in this case, the Polish nation demonstrated a very high level of moral integrity?

Over 50% of the rioters in Warsaw were German.

Sure, the reason is simple: a lot of people, given the opportunity, will lie and cheat.

It still does not make it acceptable, this is the problem as a Pole you are justifying lying and cheating as being a norm, as a Brit I am saying it is not a norm should not be considered a norm and those that practice it should be considered outcasts.

I am afraid it's you doing the squirming. You still haven't provided a single example of Polish dishonesty from your personal experience, an example which would prove once and for all that's it's really typical of Poland.

Almost every week I encounter Poles lying in business, personal situations I firmly believe that the increasing lack of morality especially in the young in Poland is partially to do with the dwindling numbers of practising catholics, I have met some Poles over the years who are so moral due to their religious beliefs. Now I am witnessing that moral backbone slipping away here in Poland. I also believe the school system in Poland is failing the young there is so much pressure put on good exam results and getting into the best schools, many children will cheat. A recent story I was told of a child at Batory in Warsaw, this is a School that turns out many of Polands future lawyers, there was a boy who had a hate list of his co pupils, he was planning to do something bad to them, all the children on the hate list were the ones with better grades than him. These children are the future they should be nutured, the Polish system fails them and is turning out students intent on getting to the top at any cost, they do not know how to work as a team they are individuals and their emotions are suppressed.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Firstly I do not know this guy or have first hand experience of his actions. If he stole the tools as you mentioned and the tools were not his property, he is little more than a common thief irrespective of his nationality.Moving on, from my understanding Polishforum is centered on all thing Polish specific, from my experience of this forum when issues arise focusing on the negative elements of Polish mental/psyche/attitudes too many people seem to justify unacceptable actions by Poles in Poland , by posting examples of equally unacceptable actions of people from other nations. This I find difficult to accept.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

I know many Poles who I'd never see as liars. They have no real reason to.

Seanus, so do I, can we establish your side of the fence,

1 Would it be in Poland's interests to improve its system in order to stamp out corruption/dishonesty/cheating at all levels.

or

2.Corruption/dishonesty/cheating is not a problem in Poland and therefore should be ignored.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

As for lies, I haven't heard that many. Some lie and some don't, just like anywhere else

As wroclaw boy, previously pointed out this thread was started more out of his personal frustration 4 years ago and he has now moved on from his original opinion,although he still considers cheating/dishonesty a problem in Poland ( this is my understanding of his more recent posts). Seanus in your opinion living in Poland for x years, is corruption/dishonesty/cheating rife in Poland circa 2011 and does it have a negative effect on Poland as a place to do business in 2011. We can take into consideration Phillips. Euro 2012 and Zlota 44 as recent examples.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

I want proof of that. I have read extensively about these riots, and I know there was a German "contingent" involved, and that approx. 50% of those arrested were foreigners, I have not come across the statement that over 50% of all the rioters were German.

Magda thank you for bringing this to my attention, I was referring to the numbers of those arrested apologies, my mistake.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Grubas, you are only further proving what I have previously stated, thank you for the confirmation.

I trust no one.

I trust everyone until they prove they are not trustworthy.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Look who has more to gain by lying.

So based on what I understand from your example, cheating/dishonesty/corruption in Poland only exists in the establishment and not at street level. Seanus, I would disagree with this, I believe that dishonesty is so rife in Poland ( 2011) at all levels,there needs to be a re-education program. I also believe that each and every foreigner who is a guest of Poland who comes into contact with cheating/dishonesty/corruption in Poland should not get involved, even if they lose business.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

You know who else liked the idea of "re-education"?

Re-education is valued by many, I am not a guessing or gambling man, Magda please do tell.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

And then you are surprised you got stiffed?Trusting no one until they prove to be trustworthy is the way to go.Saves you money and/or frustration.

Grubas, I would much prefer to get up in the morning and believe it is going to be a great day, then deal with all that life throws at me. Than get up in the morning convinced it is going to be a **** day thinking everyone I come into contact with is trying to shaft me. There are many good people out there my judgement is not clouded by the bad eggs.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

If anything, the fault lies in Poles that are indifferent and turn a blind eye but that is changing a bit too.

I can go with that, Seanus. I am in agreement

Stalin and Mao, to name just the two that immediately spring to mind...

This is exactly what I expected you to say Magda, I know you are smarter than that.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Because he NEVER experienced any cheating/dishonesty/corruption before, of course. Poland is degrading his pure/innocent soul. I totally buy this notion.

Jadis, once again you are proving the type of individual you are, I am open with my opinions and you need to ridicule.The measure of a man is what he has achieved in life, you really need to do more.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Your patronizing/immature attitude deserves nothing else.

You bitter/twisted attitude is an embarasment to the passport you hold and the place you once called home. Misery loves company and that is your motivation for visiting PF.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Most people are OK. The crooks and bastards will always be with us but with a little street smarts and goodwill most of us rub along with our fellow man just fine.

Nice to see we are on the same page. Teffle

an we get back to the topic, please.

you all know that personal comments will end up in the bin.

thank you.

Apologies, sometime you can get sucked into the abyss.

So don't be surprised that you get the sort of reaction you do. It's really not about the size of corruption in Poland or elsewhere. It's about your attitude.

Listen to your mother in law, she knows best, she sees you from a distance.

In respect of my attitude it is spot on, I don't suffer fools and liars gladly.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Magda, as a defender of all things Polish from a distance, I understand and respect your stance, being out of Poland for over 6/7 years you can get a little lost in daily lives of those of us that live and operate our business's on a daily basis in Poland. Once you are at distance, you are at distance, you are no longer part of what goes on in PL, you operate your trade in the UK, you may be Polish at heart, but you are UK occupied on a daily basis. So please don't patronize us that we don't understand/realise Poland circa 2011. We are living it, not talking it, not distant to it.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

So you are on a mission. Well, good luck then.

Absolutely no mission, I understand that Poland has to change from the inside.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

I think the point here is that lying isn't inherent to Poles. There are quite a few noble folk around who do the right thing.

No one is disputing there are good folk in Poland, it would seem to be that those Poles living in the UK or of Polish descent in Canada/USA refuse to believe that corruption/dishonesty/cheating is rife in Poland, even though it is wildly reported by both the internal and international press.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

some older folk looking for a bit of business, after a first meeting, might be seen as chancers.

Wroclaw, let us focus on today Phillips and Euro 2012?

These Poles living in the UK are so detached it defies belief. They're all so used to delivering, invoicing getting paid etc.. they've forgotten what its really like.

This is my opinion as well, Yet their guilt of deserting the old country, makes them take up arms when anyone mentions anything that they consider disparaging about Poland. I can have conversation with locals in Warsaw and we agree on actions that need to be implemented to clean up corruption/dishonesty/cheating in Polish society, yet you come on this forum and its like the problem does not exist in the mind of some folk.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

My loyal Polish friend explained it all to me. Foreigners must bear in mind that Poles are well aware of what goes on and they voice their opposition in their own wa

Seanus very interesting story, but how can Poles overseas of descent ever understand this, it is a Polish problem and needs a Polish solution, so maybe you pseudo-protagonist outside of Poland - back off.
Wedle   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

Guilt, for crying out loud?! Do you feel guilty about moving to Poland? Would you like to talk about it?

Magda, I know and understand that I have been so long outside of the UK, I have lost touch with UK reality, I know more about Poland circa 2011 than the UK.

Awww, you must be feeling so hurt because we rejected your offers of re-education...

lol, i respect your humor.

Seriously though - were does your feeling of superiority come from?

Magda, no superiority, I will say I am more in touch will Polish reality than you are based on your posts on this thread. That aside you are a good girl irrespective of your lack of understanding lol
Wedle   
4 Dec 2011
Life / Poles - the Nation of Liars? [478]

That's a very dangerous assumption to make

I will say I am more in touch will Polish reality than you are based on your posts on this thread.

Exactly Magda, so we should keep to the original not not cut short for the benefit.

but I am and will remain an outsider.

After 6/7 years outsider of Poland, you are also an outsider here, things move very quickly here, if you have forgotten.

do exactly the same job in the UK as I did in Poland. It just took a lot of work to build the business up from scratch.

Success with business.Btw I really mean that
Wedle   
5 Dec 2011
UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [442]

hy are Polish people especially women so disrespectful toward the english

Poles were educated that all things British stood for higher standards, after 2004 and the mass exodus of Poles to the UK and Ireland, they soon came to understand two things very quickly:

1. There is a large underbelly of classless society in the Uk, this went against all they had been taught and they soon came to look down on this with pity.

2. The England they had been taught about in their English studies did exist, unfortunately to a much lesser level than they had anticipated,they became somewhat cynical towards lower levels of British society and only aspired to middle England.

Why are Polish People disrespectful towards the English?

Do all English people expect respect from the Poles, Poland is a member of the European union. So ask yourself a simple question, why are so many English people disrespectful to the Poles in the UK, when all they are prepared to do is the jobs, the scum of England refuse to do.

hy are Polish people especially women so disrespectful toward the english

Poles were educated that all things British stood for higher standards, after 2004 and the mass exodus of Poles to the UK and Ireland, they soon came to understand two things very quickly:

1. There is a large underbelly of classless society in the Uk, this went against all they had been taught and they soon came to look down on this with pity.

2. The England they had been taught about in their English studies did exist, unfortunately to a much lesser level than they had anticipated,they became somewhat cynical towards lower levels of British society and only aspired to middle England.

Why are Polish People disrespectful towards the English?

Do all English people expect or deserve respect from the Poles, Poland is a member of the European union and your equal. So ask yourself a simple question, why are so many English people disrespectful to the Poles, when they are prepared to do the jobs, the scum of England refuse to do. You created the opportunity for the Poles.

Each and every one of you unemployed sub existence dwellers in the UK should look at your Polish/Asian/African working neighbor and be ashamed of yourself every time you mutter a derogatory term about your working immigrant neighbours. Your neighbours are not " nicking your jobs" you are the one that makes England the sick man of Europe, you are the reason why people scorn the UK, you are the one that deserves absolutely no respect. Get a job.
Wedle   
5 Dec 2011
UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [442]

.If they can get similar money as when working chilling at home,only stupid would work,so get off them.

People like you are the problem, if you want more money get yourself better qualified instead of sitting there on your high horse, with the attitude if they want me they got to pay me more, facts are buddy you get paid what your market value is. If you want a better future make it happen otherwise accept what you are, a sub existence dweller going nowhere and its all down to you. Why should hard working peoples taxes support scum like you- get a job.

Yeah and I will have to pay for his food and acomodation?Forget it!Just dump him from some LOT plane flying over Africa,cheap and simple.

I will remind you of your post about non working Africans in Poland. Double standards = Fats.
Wedle   
5 Dec 2011
UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [442]

[So based on your rational, Poles working outside of Poland should be taxed twice as much as the locals, because they are putting the indigenous population out of work. Am I right?

Because the as you call "scum" are citizens and it's not easy for them to compete with immigrants undercutting wages.It's simple it's not rocket science.

I would prefer to use the phrase ' foreign worker or overseas worker' that is what they are workers-contributers.When you spread your lies Grubas, some people may be influenced by what you have to say - there are people who come to PF for worthwhile information, by spreading your diatribe, its understandable why some may consider Poles racist and therefore disrespect them. You are part of this virus.
Wedle   
5 Dec 2011
UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [442]

No,people like you are the problem,flooding the job market with unlimited immigration and cheap labour in order to make it easier to exploit your fellow citizens.

Let me explain to you in simple terms, in the history of the world there are males and females.

Males, hunt to provide for the family, in the modern world this would be considered working a 9 to 5.
Females,provide a secure home and bring up the children, so that they will become good people for the future.

As an unemployed person you are not fulfilling your male instinct and you are not wise enough to do the female role, therefore you can only be considered a worm being both part male and female, unfortunately you are representing the worst part of both. Grubas are you a man or do you wish to be the taker.
Wedle   
5 Dec 2011
UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [442]

grubas, I would clean the streets to put food on my family's table, I am not too proud to do any job for what the market rate is. Your attitude is so selfish, you should NOT be allowed to bring children into this world.I can 100% understand any Polish person or anyone being disrespectful to the English under class.

Working is not breaking your neck, it is what is expected of you, in oder for you to pay your own way rather than be a parasite.

And?Guess what,sooner or later every single one of us including yourself will become worm's food so get off your high horse.

When the man above decides it is my time, I will pay for my own burial NOT have a paupers grave,

grubas your whole way of being, reflects what is wrong with todays world. Your parents should be ashamed of you.

No Sympathy for anyone who thinks its better to get money for free rather than working.

Bang on agreed 100%.
Wedle   
5 Dec 2011
UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [442]

So basically you agree with the OP, some Polish women are disrespectful?

Rough is rough wether it's Wiggan or Warsaw, so's nicw.

If someone is rough, it would normally be referred to their upbringing on a council estate/scheme for example. In my experience some people I have met who are raised on council estates are very much at ease with protocols.
Wedle   
5 Dec 2011
UK, Ireland / Why are Polish people, especially women, so disrespectful toward the English? [442]

it is how your family has brought you up and what values you have been taugh

I agree 100% with the above point.

values are not down to affluence.

No they are down to influence, if someone is born into a dysfunctional family it is twice as hard to break the mould.

Some people are rough, doesn't matter where they are from!

Mayberough should be substituted by some people lack values and morals, to keep in line with the theme.
Wedle   
8 Dec 2011
Life / Polish mentality towards Pakistan [108]

People should accept that those who come here are not here to take advantage like they have in other countries since there is NOT a lot to be able to take advantage of.!

You under estimate the workings of an immigrants mind, the ultimate is a European passport. Most Asian and Africans consider Poland a soft country. The UK has tightened up.