History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Noooo. I have no problems with dealing with things which I prefer not to hear :P Of course there are experts on Wiki but usually they sink in the sea of crap ;) That's why I prefer books.


I have nothing more to say :) Especially if I have some eggs to paint (I'm not joking...) and I see you are an "essay man" so I agree with everything you say in advance :P

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First of all I don't consider Wikipedia as a reliable source because EVERYONE CAN WRITE AN ARTICLE THERE :)
As Vetala said there's a huge difference between not liking people and wishing them to die. Of course there was an examples of helping Jews. But see the difference between generalization and enumerating such examples one by one. Generally in press (which can be treat as authoritative reflection of people's way of thinking) there was a lot of anti-semitism incidents.


What it means "many" ? In XVII century Poland was the biggest country in Europe (as historians say from sea to sea - from Baltic Sea to Black Sea) and what you are talking about has happened on Polish eastern borders. So I understand that Jews from east escaped from there but it doesn't mean it was some kind of exodus from Poland :)


Yep, if all Jews from Poland escaped to Holland, your country would be far far too little ;)

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I'm watching the blessing of swieconkas in Krakow in TV now. Is there yours too ? "))

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Aaaaaaand the winner iiiisssssssss..... ;)))

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

I'm not talking about the whole history of Jews in Poland. For centuries (especially in XVII) Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe when the shelter could find not only Jews but Arians, Lutherans or Calvinists. But in 30's the increase of anti-semitism was huge. I have something about 10 yearbooks of popular polish newspapers from 34-39 with jokes about Jews. And believe me, they stink of anti-semitism for a mile. My friend showed me few of anti-semitism leaflets which were distributed on streets in 30's.

You are right that for many centuries Poland was some kind of paradise for Jews but in 30's this paradise was definitely over.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


No. Ironic was the way I said it...


No. Ironic was the way I said it...


Most of Pole like to be a scapegoat.
It's funny because it the same time when this post was made Russian TV showed Andrzej Wajda's "Katyn". So in the same time when Russians admit that massacre in Katyn was Russian fault, most of Poles deny their own murders. Thanks God it's not the opinion of historians.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


:))
It was irony. But never mind...

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

our - polish, murders - poles

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Ok, thanks. But it doesn't explain our murders.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Where ? When ? By who ? Facts please :)


What are you suggesting ? That Jews in Jedwabne were killed because of other reasons than religion ? In some way yes. Imagine you are one of citizen of Jedwabne. Your neighbor, Jew let say Levi, has a big house and land. So what will happen if you will kill Levi. The answer was: nothing. Because nobody cared about few Jews when million of them were dieing in Auschwitz. It sad but true but Jews in Jedwabne were killed only because of greed.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


I meant your reaction was very predictable.


We don't "demonization" your german troops, we know you will always be Nazis ;) (just kidding, don't bite)
In Polish press and public discussion there's no such thing like "scrambling history wounds" but actually we have problem with your "expellees". So for average Pole Erika Steinbach is far more interesting than Hitler :)

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Yes.... I was waiting for that post from you. It's like bait for the fish. Somebody says "Poles didn't kill the Jews" and BB will always swim up and swallow the bait :P

If you have time and patience you can read about 120 cities and villages where Jews were killed by Poles. You can find it in IPN archives :) We have it in our history books at schools next to the description about the massacre in Jedwabne. So enjoy the lecture :P ;)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Nomaderol ... I didn't talk about assimilated Jews because this is obvious that if you want to be assimilated Jew in country like Poland you can't be an orthodox. Most of assimilated Jews lived in big cities but most of Jews in Poland in that days lived in small cities and villages. And they were far away from assimilation.


"Semites" is an anthropological expression and has nothing to do with religion.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


I don't understand. You think that Aushwitz wasn't a hell on earth for those Jews ? Or maybe Aushwitz wasn't real life ? Just asking.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


He never killed anyone. Even during the IWW when he was a soldier.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


I had magisterium about wooden synagogues in Poland and Jewish polychrome paintings and I have to say that Aszkenazi's Jews weren's so open and assimilated as their Sefardians friends from western Europe. In their beliefs and religious life most of them were very traditional. But this is not a conversation for this thread :)


I agree. It was a mistake. After the war most of Jews which survived didn't want to live here and see the places of executions every day. And the rest of them were deported (or banished) in 68...

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Our train network was the most expanded in Europe, especially in western Poland. Of course now we have PKP and you can forget about this ;)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


But you have to agree that Poles were anti-semitic before the war.

Your theory is very reliable.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


No.


No.


No.


In some way.

It's very helpful to have a scapegoat when you are a populist like Hitler. Jews hadn't any power in Central Europe, especially in Poland when we had Aszkenazi's Jews (very religious and orthodox). The reason why Hitler picked up Jews instead of Poles or Frenchs was the Jews were very "visible" in social life. Before the war nearly 30 % of Polish people weren't actually Polish. Can you imagine? They were mostly Jews, Ukrainians, Germans, Russians or they came from some ethnic minorities like Kaszebians, Silesians, Mazurians, Lemkows etc.

It's sad but the idea of Holocaust came from sick mind of one man.

I don't want to insult you but don't you have some history books in country you come from ?

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You Warszawiaks and your strange traditions :P

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I guess the answer is "ASK HIM" :)

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Is anybody here likes czarnina soup ? Soup made from blood ? Because I think it's the most disguisting things in Polish cuisine.

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Soup from nails = soup from nothing. It's a compliment for a very good cook :)

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Actually we have been in Moscow already and we didn't need tanks. After the death of Ivan IV Poles went to Moscow and said that they have found the lost son of Ivan. And ... they believed us (!). So some Polish yokel really has been the tzar of Russia for a few weeks. Now one of the most important day in Russia is the day of expel Poles from Moscow :))

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Did you know that 1/3 of Polish employees work on 2/3 of Polish people which are unemployed (pensioners, privileged groups, unemployed) ? This IS the most unjust society in Europe.

But I have one question. Every time I see you, you moan. Is that makes you feel better ?

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That's not true. They don't hate you, they just don't trust you :)


Blame TV ;)

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You have to wait till March and then you can buy it in supermarkets. But don't expect there will be real chocolate eggs like you say. They will be rather smaller and just chocolate without filling. Sorry in Poland we prefer real eggs with glair and yolk ;)

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Oh, but it's natural for the first lady. In fact it's her obligation. On the other hand it's very difficult when some people compair her to Jolanta Kwasniewska: younger, nicer, etc.

I can't say I like her but I respect her. She has hard role to play, especially with weird family ;)

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I don't know what are you talking about. Is that her way of speaking ? Her lisping ? :)

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I vote for Maria Kaczynska ;)