Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

You make my point for me.....hanging out in the forest is a guy thing....its a guy thing In Germany but with g/fs it,s a guy thing in UK but with g/fs it,s a guy thing in just about every other European nation....but with g/fs and wives...here it is always just men, like there is some cultural exclusion of women. I may not have made myself clear about this squatting in circles, but like I said earlier, it can be in the forest, it can be along side a track (many dirt tracks here, used by all and sundry to cut miles from a journey due to the many hills and valleys) It can be in the height of summer (and we do get long hot cummers here in 'The Pod') so even when the ground is dry and the grass is soft and warm....they still squat in circles like Afghan peasants, whereas a group of guys in say Holland or America or Denmark would be lounging on the ground, maybe sat or sprawled out...not here...... they squat. I will accept that long, long ago much nearer to the time of the Tartars peasant farmers were poor in the material sense of not having money to buy things....but I don,t buy that people who were talented in the use of wood and had very good wooden artifacts even in early times all ate from one bowl because they only had one???? Horses??? loads of horses here every other farm has a horse and people here use them for all sorts of things....I have to admit that riding horses is not popular among the farmers they see them as tools nowadays. Bows?? oh yes....bows and crossbows are kept here because a gun makes a lot of noise and cartridges are expensive nor do you want the Police or the forestry guys snooping around.....and an arrow can bring down a deer quietly, venison is very tasty. (Just a footnote: year before last we did see a man and his son ploughing....apparently the horse had died and they couldn,t afford another so they took turns pulling an old single furrow plough up and down the field...won,t see that very often though.....funny thing was in the next field was a guy ploughing with a tractor...he could have helped them and done their little field in 15 mins.......I,m willing to bet they were too proud to ask him....we wondered why he didn,t offer though.)

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

Ah how wrong you are.....I like the rural Poles in this area they are fairly honest and simple people, the only Poles I have found not to be so nice are city types. Look all I am simply trying to find out is why no one talks about 'the elephant in the room' I know Berliners who have gotten over the fact that anything above the age of 3 was raped by Russian soldiers so their blood is full of Russian blood, but many people on this forum have a terrible fear of admitting that the Tartars were here long term...they brought eastern traditions and some of them have stayed. what is the big deal?...nobody is going to kick you out of Europe or think less of you because of a few eastern Traditions? The Romans were in Britain for 600 years all told....we don,t try to hide the roads or Roman ruins, some on the East coast are proud of their Viking heritage.....But eastern traditions here are anathema and something to be denied, by patriots?? I hope it is a strong sense of patriotism that drives you? and not fear or shame.

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

I,m not going into it with you, because personal insults are never productive, but visitors always comment on the size of my bookshelves...no Reymont though! I will now give an example from my past....I once met a guy in Greece, (this was way back) he said to me "I not Greek... I not Greek..I spend 5 year London......I full modernised" I will say that I have never seen so many people gathered on a forum who are so scared of geing grouped or identified with Eastern societies... and so vehemently desperate to be 'Western'..... you can talk around the truth and be afraid to confront it......make of that what you will.....but Geography and history you can,t argue with..you are what you are it,s in your genes.

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

Moderator...I have in the past been 'moderated' for less than this. Short haired thug gives no reasonable argument why these traditions may or may not be, just his own opinions......surely the venom and bile and personal insults should be curtailed? I obviously cannot post pics, but there are several families around here who do honestly have this tradition of eating that special meal from one bowl with their hands no amount of venom or bile will change that.

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

When I first came to live in Poland I didn,t think that any Poles had a sense of humour......now I know they do....but it is so subtle sometimes. Seriously though this is after all 'The Podkarpacie' a backward but very beautiful and relaxing (if you are on holiday) part of Poland...with it,s own culture and traditions.

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

My wife is so good to me, she just reminded me of another tradition that they have here in the Podkarpacie......I have no idea whether this has any bearing on the 'squatting in circles' that so many of you insist is not an Asiatic trait and even is only a figment of my deluded and drug addled mind!!! But lets discuss Wigilja.......now in this area they (not everyone but must be quite a few families) eat this meal from one bowl in the centre of the table using the fingers of one hand only.....no knives and forks, no plates just pick from one bowl with their hand....and I am not talking peasants here......we were invitied by some friends of ours, very nice people who live in a modern house, Electrician and a Nurse, to partake, but they did warn us before hand that they follow the older traditions and if we liked we could be served on a plate, but they would eat with their hands. We later learned that many families also serve this meal in a big bowl in the centre of the table but they serve themselves with spoons...again no plates involved. My wife was astounded and tells me that this is in no way the tradition in Silesia etc......So is this an asiatic trait or am I completely deluded and 'off my meds' as some of you so succinctly put it. I have seen this family meal things and hands only (in fact as here... one hand is kept behind the back and the other is used for eating) in muslim countries? in what could be called Asia.....how did this tradition arise in Poland and how is it still here. (those who ask for 'pics or it never happened' will have to wait a while....obviously!!)

Life / Polish pretense - what's the deal? [72]

I think (though I,m not sure) that Biesganski and I agree on something at least. I tried to tell my wife that because I don,t smoke maybe we could buy a crate of Zywiec now and then instead of Tatra!!! she said you want diesel for that giant truck of yours you drink Tatra!!! ah well.

Classifieds / Meeting / English Club in Rzeszów [21]

Ha ha...today we came out of the house and the big melt is just starting, roads are getting better fields and everything that hasn,t been touched is still covered with 6 inches of snow.....just been out clearing the snowfall off the roof of the barn which had piled up half a meter deep in places, couldn,t get the barn doors open!! give it a week and some rain and it will be business as usual....time to get the tractor out.

Life / Polish pretense - what's the deal? [72]

Hear hear.......Just a case in point......back where I used to live, my wife and I would shop for cheaper brands in some areas ( tinned food etc) so that we could have a better car, better clothes etc.....It was not to be flashy, indeed my clothes are not flashy at all, just very good quality same for my cars. I think we (sensible people) do this all over the world......its just an extension of....if you want something you can,t afford, you save up for it by economising in other areas (unless you are mega rich). But I will say that here in (this part of Poland) my wife is always amused by the looks she gets after working all day on the farm and we go to the local shops to buy something, still in our working clothes, the other farm women all look at her in disgust, because to go to the shops they will all go and dress in their best clothes and vie with each other to be the most fashionably dressed in the village shop!!! men here are not so bad at the dressing up thing. (I love weddings here...always a good excuse to get out and dust off my dinner jacket and cummerbund....does that make me a bad person?)

Life / Polish pretense - what's the deal? [72]

Hey rsavy sorry I didn,t read into it that you are in America, I have to admit that the English of some of even the most abusive Poles on this forum is very good. (don,t let them get you down when you tell the truth, they are very nationalistic and almost oblivious to their faults... gotta love em.... even thought they may sometimes seem...almost... as bad as the crazy muslims!!!) A car collecting family?? what is it with America, my big sis lives in California, when she left UK she couldn,t drive, now she has some strange collection of Mustangs and I drool constantly over her pristine 72 (I think) Roadrunner which she shows. I am more into offroading and have a fully restored UAZ 469 (Russian Jeep) which is the wifes shopping car, a 71 Pinzgauer and a Unimog U1300L not the usual stable of cars, but it is so funny here when they all ask why I didn,t buy an Audi??? My next car will be an UAZ Patriot just to annoy them.

Life / Polish pretense - what's the deal? [72]

I think the real reason that people in UK don,t bother washing their cars that often is that they don,t expect them to last that long, usually because they fail the UK version of the yearly safety test. rsavy may I ask is running for fitness and fun a done thing in your area? I have been in this area for almost 3 years now and have not seen a single person out runnning for fitness or fun. Some mountain bikers in all the right clothes sometimes although still rare, (but maybe all that spandex is just to look good? I don,t feel the need for it when I,m on my mountain bike) where I came from you couldn,t move for runners of all ages.

Life / Polish pretense - what's the deal? [72]

I came simply for 'The good life'...which I do live here, No job, don,t need one have plenty enough money, could have done it elsewhere in the world, but my wife is actually Polish, (though more from Silesia than hereabouts) it looked good here and it is.....I have to admit that I thought Poles might simply be like Germans.....(whom I knew from serving there for 6 years) boy how wrong I got that one!! We looked at land in the North of Poland and the West of Poland....this area was just prettier....we like hills, we got them. We got a bonus with these long hot Podkarpacie summers. Flabby?? Flabby? I will exercise more this year I promise!!! I,ll saw more wood, cut more grass, cultivate more land and plant more crops and go for a good 5km run every morning, hey maybe that will impress people more.....I,ll let you know if it does.....maybe it will, running for fun is just not done around here...not seen a single runner these past 3 years?

Life / Polish pretense - what's the deal? [72]

Yep lets say envyme is being very straightforward and to the point......and of course people are jumping all over him.....but it is sometimes as he says......around this area especially, back in London we had a saying that covers it.... 'All Flash and Front' it means all flashy but with no substance.....like peole around here look at my dirty (fully restored at great expense Russian Jeep) and say why do you never wash it? they wash their cars all the time regardless that the engine is a piece of trash, I tell them that people in UK with £50,000 Range Rovers leave them half a year without washing and they gasp and say 'shock'!!!!! But this in no way detracts from the people here they are what they are, trying to be what they aspire to......so long as they are nice people and friendly with it like they are hereabouts I dont see that it matters much at all. As for all the girls unmarried.....it goes well into the thirties and beyond in this area. I have started a different thread asking why this is so.....I have realised since I started that thread, that maybe in UK people do live together more, rather than get married and maybe stay together for a few years then move on and here they aspire to a proper marriage or not at all, so the upshot is many spinsters and unmarried men all over the place?

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

Ironside, you know what gets me kudos around here? the locals say I am kind and brave, because not only I but my wife too, when it is hot in summer we will buy a round of beers and take them round the back of the shop and sit with the guys and ask "whats new" (nothing ever is new of course this is a small village) but no I don,t squat and its not because my backside is too fat (you obviously never worked a farm? it does keep the fat off if you put your heart into it) it,s my poor old knees (15 years of running and lugging huge backpacks and a rifle have not treated my knees well.... so I lean against the wall) I am a man of the people, I mix with professors and businessmen and teachers and doctors and I also find time for the derelicts......there is method to this....whenever I need a ditch digging I can always find a good cheap worker.

Genealogy / Any Polish Tatars here? [95]

What I know about Tatars could be written on a small fingernail......but in the area I live Nr Rszesow in the Podkarpacie, I have seen several very dark skinned people living in the villages, one friend of our has slightly mongoloid features, but it does not make her un-pretty in fact I think it makes her more mysterious and desirable. Another girl who was obviously of Tatar stock somewhere in her genetic history worked in a local shop...but she dissappeared... (I hope she got a better job)....in UK that girl could have been a model...she was one of the most beautiful featured girls I have ever seen, but she was so very dark skinned, dark hair and eyes so beautiful.......The first person of Tatar stock we saw was a guy, sometimes still see him walking, peasant farmer type, but so very dark skinned I had him pinned as an Indian guy so dark was he and so thin featured...it makes him look so sinister....but I wave to him and smile and he waves and smiles back, as we drive by probably a nice guy. They are about, but I wonder if on a cencus form they would admit to being of Tartar stock?

Classifieds / Meeting / English Club in Rzeszów [21]

Sorry Wozzy it,s a good hours drive for us on the road......but will consider it in the future when the snow has all gone, hope someone in the town reads this and meets up with you. regards Steve (out in the wild hills where the snow is still deep)

Love / Are Polish girls open to foreigners? [78]

Minuteman that is my point...why the hell do you think these guys from outside the EU are trying to marry Polish/Czech/Latvian etc etc girls, they are purely after the EU passport just so that they can travel to where the work/better life is: I will be honest now, I like Poland and I am going to live here for the rest of my life, but that is because I have so much money I don,t need to work ever again!! if I were looking for a country to get a job in or build a new working life, I would not have 'The Podkarpacie, Poland' as No1 on my 'good places to find work list'. Stop fooling yourself that a Pakistani etc likes the look of Poland......he likes the Passport that is all. Almost every week in UK there is a news article about some Polish/Czech/Latvian girl who marries some Nigerian for £500 just to get him the right to stay in UK.....quick money for her, nobody will ever know when she goes back to Eastern Europe (some of them marry several different guys!!!!) and she only has to suffer him for an hour before the 'wedding' and 5 minutes afterward for photographs to prove that he did get married......Its a good business, even clergymen in UK have been found out to have been marrying non EU people to EU girls for money (no not money for the church £££££ in their own pocket...cash). Hope that this craziness does not come to Poland or the big embarrassement will be not that the foreign guys married these girls and left them pregnant.....but that none of the guys ever wanted to stay in Poland in the first place....what does that say for Poland?

Love / Are Polish girls open to foreigners? [78]

Mr Bucknall your point is well taken.....but these are Doctors are already well established and may their deep love continue......I think the point of this thread is about all the dregs of human life from Nigeria, parts of Asia etc etc etc, who are seeing the opportunities for getting into Europe by the back door, in other countries, start to dry up (be more tightly enforced)....so they are looking to places like Poland and other Ex Communist countries where they can find an easy meat girl who will marry them and get them that 'Golden Prize' of an EU passport.....in many cases the poor (I did not say uneducated...I find that if you are willing the Polish education system is a very good one) girl who just wants a better life will fall for the flowery words of one of these people of dubious heritage who will promtly he gets the passport, dump her and her halfling baby and leg it for the West,(one like it in this very village). I find it most interesting looking at some of the posts by these Asians etc....culturally they are brutally honest and it shines through in their words....in their fly blown hell holes it is not unmanly to use a girl from Europe as a passport to better things, indeed they would be feted as a hero for having succeeded. We must look at it through the eyes of people who have visited their countries, it is like the oft given argument by politicians about the flood of Roma/Bulgars that will come to overwhelm UK soon!!! the politicians ask why should they come??? Well..... If you live on a pile of poo picking through the remnants of someone elses dung for your meals, then a nasty dirty cellar in Southall would seem like heaven especially when given free money to boot. Now we look at the motives of a poor Polish village girl for marrying one of these people from Africa/Asia......I live in a particularly beautiful part of Poland, but so many of my local friends just do not see the beauty and there is a reason for that.....when you have from a very young age had to get up at 5am and let the chickens out and feed them and then milk the cow and bring in wood for the cooking fire, and then get your school clothes on and tramp 3kms over the hill to catch a bus to ride an hour to school, and then start all over again before you do your homework!!! (it doesn,t relent and becomes more intense at harvest time) then the sheer beauty of the countryside tends to pass you by and you begin to see why to them a pokey flat shared with several others in some admittedly dank grey northern English town starts to look like the promised land.....If you talk to almost anyone around here and say what do you hope for? they will honestly say 'an apartment in Rszesow' for apartment read pokey flat!!! (Rszesow = the big city)

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

I suspect that a deep vein of embarrassement runs through you all, I am deeply embarrassed by the 'chav' society that UK has produced, we have Jeremy Kyle and you have that parade of grotesques called Sprawy dla reportera? who never seem to get the right help when it happens that the mother has gone away to work and has signed the family farm over to her 'idiot boy' eldest son who promptly sells the whole farm for a crate of piwo! Boze moj!!! But I digress (mostly to press my point) I am not that far from Jaslo by the way so I can claim to be in 'The Pod' and this squatting.....some of you seem to misunderstand (maybe on purpose?) I am definitely sitting on a chair not squatting....squatting is bending of the knees.......why am I describing this?? just think of an Afghan peasant......So you adjudge that this behaviour is not Asian.....so how did it come about....people do have chairs here and have had for a long time!!! Asians often in history have not used chairs and favour large cushions and either a squat or a cross legged sitting position. I make a cultural point now, I have seen this in the Arab world and again a similarity arises, because the people that I saw squatting around a low table in an Arab country were all men, they did not allow the women to eat with them and here when the men are squatting they do not allow women to squat with them!!! (even squatting teen males do not allow girls to squat wwith them, I have seen a group of teens waiting for a bus....the boys were sqautting in a circle talking...the girls were stood away to one side talking) so how did this parallel culture arise when European sized tables and chairs were also available. Back to the deep vein of embarrassement which you cover with light hearted remarks about the guys behind the Straz being connoisseurs of cheap wine...of course they are, but my deeper question is why the penchant for hanging out behind every shop and every Straz.....I have never encountered this anywhere else...of course the rest of Western Europe has its share of hopeless dregs of society....but they don,t do it in the same way as they do here?? I was hoping for an explanantion that it is a hangover from the days of communism when people hung around the shops hoping for something to come in other than osset and brown paper.

Love / How many Polish girls are married to foreigners? / How many Polish boys to foreign girls? [104]

Wow! somebody else who has seen the future, look also to UK and see how these savages have destroyed society there too (good thing though is that Black people and Pakistanis mostly kill each other in gang wars), but they do also prey upon young girls and use their religion/culture to get away with it...Police dare not proceed against them for fear of being called Racist Nazis. So don,t let them in, they will form ghettos and then spread out and push local people from their homes eventually taking over whole suburbs which then become no-go areas for police etc..in effect they make a little part of their own savage lands within other countries. Or they will simply marry Polish girls imregnate them then make a run for the rest of the EU tightly clutching their passport to leech off the state. Now in temperance I will add that they are not all bad and some are intelligent and cultured......but they are few, such a small percentage of them and these good ones are most times, the 'foot in the door' for the savages and Poles will understand this when I say that they do stick together family wise.....if a good intelligent Pakistani is asked by his family to 'engineer' a passport for some waste of skin, illiterate cousin...he will do it....regardless of the consuequences (one time when the family system is not a good thing). I am an Englishman married to a nice Polish woman (look to an old film Ptaki Ptakom, she is the girl at the beginning of the film who shoots the German) she is the best woman I have found in all my travels all over the world. We live in the Podkarpacie region....poor but beautiful.

I,m not sure I understand your point, but in UK Pakistani people (along with Indians) have made a big contribution in that many of them have used the UK school system and university system to acheive highly, thereby making a good contribution to society and to their own wellbeing by gaining good jobs......but if you look at it in another way not all of a family of 6 or 8 can become chemists and doctors and not everyone can be a high achiever, In Pakistani culture it is very normal to marry a first cousin and of course this happens over generations, some UK doctors did make a case a couple of years ago that the health services in certain areas (Pakistani ghettos) were being overwhelmed in the pediatrics departments by babies born with many defects due to this form of marriage. They are also more likely to marry someone from their own village thereby bringing more people in from outside and again having more babies. Where a UK family or Polish family might have 2/3 children a Pakistani woman will churn out 6/8 babies. Once they get in they will eventually overwhelm certain areas and eventually a whole Western country simply by outbreeding them. Pakistanis are also liable to send much of their wealth back to their village/town rather than put it into the country whose facilities they are using to better themselves (they do of course pay their taxes)(This particular argument has been used by some against Poles working in the UK?) Pakistanis in particular rarely mix with other cultures and create ghettos of their own population thereby slowly but surely forcing people who have lived there all their lives to move because they feel uncomfortable surrounded by people who do not share their local culture, dress very differently and speak another language. Indeed in some towns in Northern England there are actually no-go areas where it is known that the 'elders' Police their own people under 'Sharia' law and the UK Police just do not go there.......indeed it has gotten so bad in some areas that how could they change things? the only way to reclaim would be with bombs and bullets and that will not happen in a so-called civilised country. The English made their own downfall in these areas, by expecting all these Asian/African cultures to 'Play Cricket'.....some of them do actually play cricket but in the game as in life... they seem to invent their own rules as they go along....the degree of rules changing just gradually overwhelmed UK, it would be a shame to see it happen in Poland. The Australians have a system that is much better, if you want to come to Australia you have to have a job that needs you and only you, you cannot put a native Australian out of work, you must learn the language and fit in and if you behave badly you will be sent back to your own country. You cannot bring Grandma and Grandad and several cousin 'hangers on' with you as Pakistanis do in UK. I think the Germans and the Turks had a simlar deal as it was explained to me way back in the 70,s when I lived there......A German told me "we allow Turks to live and work here and use the health service etc...but we give them no power to vote or change things....if one of them is bad the whole family is sent back to Turkey" "In effect they Police themselves for if for instance a young boy seems to be going bad, then he is sent back to Turkey by his family, perhaps to live with relatives? they would not want the better lifestyle of the whole family to be jeopardiesd by this one bad boy" I thought it sounded like a very good system and I wished we English had used this kind of system in dealing with all of the commonwealth and African natives that we let in to swamp our culture...if so UK would be a much better place in my opinion. NOTE: I seem to be answering a post that has been removed??? or was I seeing things?

Life / Are Polish people open to others? [20]

I was going to say this but got beat to it...but I,m here anyway: Yes Poles (I speak only with experience of the deepest Podkarpacie) are open and friendly to foreigners like me. But they hate with a simmering will their neighbours and most of their family and any other strangers who are Poles??? Love to know why? but I am glad that they have always been good to me.

Love / Are Polish girls open to foreigners? [78]

I thought that even the dumb village girls were catching on now that all these non-EU nationals who are enquiring about Polish girls are simply after a passport and the right to leech off some EU country? One thing Poland doesn,t need is (like UK) thousands and thousands of girls with Black/half black/Turkish/Asian babies leeching off society because once the guy gets his passport, he is off like a hare to germany or UK leaving them and their offspring (who are never going to do very well with their dubious heritage) to be brought up by the girls family or the state or both...Poland just can,t afford to let them in...once it starts it is like an aggressive cancer.

Love / My reaction to a thread against foreigners marrying Polish girls [37]

Easy way to stop all these savages trying for an EU passport...make it compulsory for the girl to live in Paki land/wherever... for 10 years before her husband would benefit from right to stay in EU. All this nonsense would soon stop......it is easy to spot because the husband always wants to come and live in EU. Where he dumps the stupid girl + babies and legs it to UK or Germany with his EU passport in tight grasp...apparently there is even one of these stupid girls in the local village. Sucker Sucker Sucker!!!!

Law / Registration of right hand drive cars in Poland - possible? [82]

I could say dream on....but that would be uninformative and abrupt.....so I,ll give my view on it......not going to happen for as long as Poland can hold it off....and it looks like they will get their way for a long time. Poland is a good EU country and sings the praises of the EU up, down, left and right, even unto the heavens..... so that means that a little lee way is given to Poland throughout this time of crisis.....wait until all is good and rosy with the Euro and the EU in general, then they will get back to pushing Poland to allow RHD cars. I won,t go into the details of why it would be bad for Poland to allow RHD here because its been discussed before..although that ugly demon that resides inside 90% of Poles who get behind the wheel and its reason for being so has never really been looked into...for shame!.

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

No these few dark people are not Romani......this is a very 'closed up area' I don,t think Romani would be welcome here, but these people who have the Tartar look have been around for generations........I wonder if maybe they just 'happen' in the population here, you know, genes from the past coming to the front after many generations......if you had a baby with these traits you would love it just the same as if it were white 'aryan'. But that still doesn,t help with the squatting in circles like Asians??? these are white guys squatting, they must have seen this tradition carried on from ancient Tartar times in this area.......and like I said teen boys still do it......in the West if a group of teen boys are waiting for a bus etc...they will stand around......here they will squat in a circle by the roadside (any girls with them will stand)......it is a different and special culture. (I,m not saying it is a good thing.....People in the West of Poland may be embarrassed by these people? see their actions as maybe not the Poland of the future that is hoped for) But they are here and these old Asian ways are still part of Poland and looking at the young guys now they will be for a long time to come, beause if teens do it now they will pass it to their children in not too many years.

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

There are a few people here who do have that Tartar look, ie very dark skin, eyes that look slightly asian and dark straight hair.....some of the girls who have this look can be so beautiful....and some of the guys who have the look, can look so sinister (probably nice guys just unlucky in the way they look) But there are so few of them that it makes me wonder how these Tartar ways could have survived so long with only few of the people to carry them on.

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

So maybe these very Asian traits are left over from the turks and the tartars? but that seems a very long time for these traits to have survived? This place must have been really closed off from the rest of Poland...like some kind of 'Lost World'

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

Ha ha all this talk about Police......I think we have one or two Policemen for this huge area! now the old Police Captain has retired (they seem to retire young here) the new Captain (three stars on his shoulder?) does not like to drive the old ARO 244 4x4, he likes the comfort of a car so does not venture out onto the dirt tracks unless he has to. There have been rumours that they will close our local Police station and Police cover will come from the next town appx 15kms away. I have to say that this is a pretty safe area, (lots of death and maiming by crazy driving) but very little theft or violence....the guys round the back of the Straz always have cuts and bruises where they fight each other or fall over but they never bother other people or passers by.

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

Nope see my post about lumberjacks above......definitely not lumberjacks.....and my wife has just reminded me that these groups of men also occur along dirt tracks, not always in the forest, they can as easily be at the side of a field......and no they are not farmers....I,m a farmer so I should know. I,m almost willing to go along with the theory that they are escaping from nagging wives? but why here? why not the same in germany they have nagging wives also......is it just a 'Podkarpacie' way of escaping from a nagging wife and how do they convince 10 or more of their friends to come with them......they do sometimes light a fire with wood, but they don't seem to be cooking anything on it??? which again confuses? and they may or may not have a few cans of beer with them. Aha there you go....Tommy G nows says that they are not Polish.......which is exactly what the Polish guy back in UK told me.......so when did this area get added on to Poland? and to whom did it belong before?

Life / Men in Poland in the forest? Just men? [133]

I,m beginning to think that I am the only one on this forum who actually lives in the 'Podkarpacie'. You know the locals call this place Coniec swiata????? maybe I do really live at the 'end of the world'? Edit: not lumberjacks.......in fact the lumberjacks in these parts seem very well versed in health and safety standards wear some really good padded/waterproof/insulated coveralls and can be spotted from miles away due to bright colours and nice Stihl chainsaws like mine. (MS 650...... I recommend it......see I,m already thinking like a local)