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gregy741   
15 Jan 2019
News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]

One- he was a criminal too.

no..severely mental ill person cannot be criminal..as cant be child or an animal.
dog can kill or 6 years old child can kill person with a gun but it cannot be deemed as criminal act since 6 years old child has no ability to understand what it did

same with schizophrenics.
gregy741   
15 Jan 2019
News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]

Two, at that point he wasn't dignosed with anything.

no..he was at the specialized hospital at the age of 14 - for the first time.treated for paranoid schizophrenia.

When things gor worse he was transferred to department for mentally ill criminals

of course things got worse..cus you dont fkin put mental ill ppl with criminals.

where he got diagnosed with schizophrenia and treated

no..he was diagnosed 14 years ago,when he was still teenager.
gregy741   
15 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

but according to this link:

Został zorganizowany na podstawie przepisów Prawa o ruchu drogowym, z czym wiążą się mniej restrykcyjne wymogi bezpieczeństwa. Organizatorzy zapewniają, że wynajęta firma ochroniarska została mimo to zobowiązana, by koncert traktować jak imprezę masową (tvn24.pl)

and thats clear.isnt it? and i dont care what organizers claim..its might not be true..it remain to be seen.
what is clear that they were required by the law to register and follow mass event requirements and procedure and not using some public transport dodgy way around as they did.

there is clear path,procedure and requirements to follow,and they didnt for whatever reason..

The organisers also got a green light (a positive opinion) from the police in Gdańsk.

they got permission and green light from police to organize whatever they were applying for..thats how it work.
they requested some minor road obstruction and used transport legislation as ground and police gave them permission to obstruct road.. they didnt officially request permission for mass event so Police couldn't possibly agree for mass event as you claim they did.

The organisers obliged the security firm in their contract to treat the concert as a mass event

thats not enough and thats just silly way to excuse braking the law.there are more thing one must provide,such as barriers,first aid point,toilets ,information centre,ect.
gregy741   
15 Jan 2019
News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]

So I take it you support a massive tax increase to fund a system of institutions to keep the violently mentally ill off the streets.

am not sure its that massive cost for 40 million country ,to build specialized hospital with security.am not an expert
and am not sure if there is a choice..for me locking severely mentally ill people with criminals ,is violation of human rights.
whats the alternative?locking mentally ill people in prison and making them 10 times more dangerous for society?
gregy741   
15 Jan 2019
News / Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing [354]

Essentially, Adamowicz is being blamed for his own demise.

if i to be honest ,without any political bias, the system is to blame here.
i will guys tell you what i think from my perspective..i use to work with mentally ill people ,and it is mind blowing for me to learn that this guy was in prison.

before i started my work in charity,i was required to get CRB check.lasted 3 months..that it criminal record check..in the UK ,you are not allowed to work with mentally ill people without such ticket.i had job but couldn't start it for 3 months until they checked my life.

here i learn that state locked this guy with criminals. thats just stupid,cus you make illness worse,and then when such person get out,he is dangerous for everyone.

my bet,state is just cutting costs..rather than build hospital and implement rigorous security measures ,they sent one psychiatrist to prison and problem sorted.

they say"well,he had medical help there in prison"
it is not about if he had or not psychiatric help in prison....its about -environment hes in..you cant put schizophrenic together with criminals.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Er...no. They found after extensive audit that he was liable for 40,000 zl.

yea,...and hes daughter 2 apartments and no income
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

mayor of Gdansk was so hated by the PIS establishment

no my friend,you mixed all things..
hatred is when you blame group of people for the crime of severely mentally ill person.as you doing this now.
there are many crimes committed by mentally ill people and about 800 murders a year in Poland.
and guess what?PIS have nothing to do with em.
gotta be sick hate spitting person to blame PIS for that..and thats YOU.

no simple matter for public figures to put that to one side,

AND i also hope that all this thing is not put aside and investigated properly..Owsiak knows this as well...thats why he quit
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

he was somehow less popular in revenue office.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

there we go: rmf24.pl/fakty/atak-na-prezydenta-Gdanska-Pawla-Adamowicza/news-wszczeto-odrebne-sledztwo-dotyczace-organizacji-finalu-wosp,nId,2782703
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

The local staff in Gdańsk was responsible for organising the concert

sweetheart,legally registered organization that is applying to organize an event is responsible not some"local staff"
"local stuff " might be delegated by organization to take care of things,but they are not some separate entity by the law. Owsiak might delegate whoever he wants,even green man from mars.but by the law,he and hes organization is responsible,.

"local stuff" is not separate organization and not recognized by authority or the law. dont push blame on some local others.he was the one who appointed local people.and they acted with hes or hes people directions
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Being mentally ill doesn't absolve you or makes you immune to punishment.

depends of nature of illness..in severe mental illness,you dont even stand trial,let alone being punished
its called "unfit to stand trial".just google
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

By all means don't imprison 'ill' people who rob others!

no..cus you making it much worse for everyone.
prison guard doesnt understand why ill person behave the way he does,so he use force.beatings,punishments,isolation ect.
on the other hand,mentally ill person doesnt understand why hes being punished,since he doesnt know what hes doing wrong.he said he was being beaten in prison. didn't he?

dead circle that lead to worsen illness.not to mention hazard to other inmates,
then such mental ill person get out and hes state is much worse from frustration and suffering he had.
mental ill person should be in hospital,where professionals try to make hes symptoms mild or manageable.
is it hard to understand?
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

blame everything on "Owsiak".

because he is to blame,and that why he resign..he knows that.
he was required by the law to register this as mass event..he didnt do it..why?
because then the law required him to provide certain security measures,such as:
licensed security trained with disarming,ect. putting barriers between stage and people,certain number of security.and so on.there are tuff requirements for the event of this scale.

he broke the law,and adamowicz let him do it,to save money,and hired few guys and no serious security measures implemented.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

And I don't have an agenda. It looks to me that you do.

oh yea,of course..Putin pays me.
how come, someone doesn't agree with brutal beating of mentally ill people?strange.must have an agenda.probably get money from Russia.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

not a gun but "straszak" and all he got like 2 -4 k zlotych each time.copper money,,still,he was ill
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, are you retarded or trolling?

o dear,how conveniently ,you omitted fact that hes in hospital and got convulsion..
you said yourselves that he looked fine on stage...see?,something else must have happened after that,outside view of people and cameras.

unlike you, I'm not all-knowing and I simply don't know.

am alfa and omega.so when i write,you just believe and dont question my brilliance
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

very fitting, that you identify so strongly with the mentally ill killer and not at all with the victims

both..
feel sorry for mentally ill people.i might come across abit cynic but that just internet.
to tell you the truth i worked as project worker for charity,with mental health people for years.
there are more info bout this guy..he suffered since childhood,and it well could be state system failure.instead provide him with professional help,they locked him in jail to save money..professional specialist help cost fortune.

here info from hes mother: wiadomosci.wp.pl/zabojca-pawla-adamowicza-mial-schizofrenie-paranoidalna-niedawno-odstawil-leki-6338467136469121a
paranoid schizophrenia,not treated for years...
beside,he got 5 years for stealing 10k -thats severe punishment for such crime.
looks like state lock him up, to get rid of schizophrenic of the street rather than give professional help .problem solved...well kinda
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

that the technician wasn't gentle enough

hola..braking someone arm and face until person gets convulsions is not slightly rough treatment..it a sign of very brutal one.
adult young male dont get convulsions and need hospitalization from hitting flor from 1 meter height.
beside.police says he got injuries from security.they said they didnt do it

Again, we don't know that.

we do:
wiadomosci.wp.pl/pawel-adamowicz-raniony-nozem-prowadzacy-final-wosp-nozownik-zachowywal-sie-strasznie-nerwowo-6338377801418369a

"Ten mężczyzna tak naprawdę poddał się bez żadnej walki. Gdy podszedł do niego technik i chciał go obezwładnić, napastnik sam odrzucił na bok nóż i się położył - opowiada dziennikarz.

so?he did not oppose and wasnt threow on floor..he laid down himself.. they must have beaten him brutally.
as i know Owsiak and hes lot,he probably hired some antifa thugs as security,to scam more money.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

maybe not braking hes face and arms? you dont see nothing wrong with beating handcuffed mentally ill people?
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

looks like them nasty libtard Owsiaks security,handcuffed and brutally beaten mentally ill person..this is sick
i mean WTF? is that this famous tolerance,and love? for me this is banditry..tell me if am wrong
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Any links to that info?

here ,wyborcza ,so u dont say i give you righ wing things
trojmiasto.wyborcza.pl/trojmiasto/7,35612,24361147,atak-na-adamowicza-sprawca-spedzil-noc-nie-w-celi-tylko-w.html

some more disturbing things...looks like he was beaten by police or security..brutally..broken nose,hand and convulsions.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Psychopats aren't exactly sane

wrong. psyhopats have full ability to determine and assets their actions.
mentally ill people-depends on severity of illness. schizophrenia is one on the heaviest illness..
schizophrenic cannot be psychopath. psychopath is disorder of personality. which mean bad immoral with no emphaty ect.but able to understand hes actions
schizophrenia is a different beast..its genetic illness that cause person to be incapable to understand what hes doing.insanity. its not "bad character"thing

Then let us wait for it, shall we?

true,but more info coming saying that he was in specialized psychiatric hospitals since teenage ages. i dont knoww,why he was in prison..he was hazard for inmates ect..he should be in hospital under professional supervision.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

am the only sane person here..not barbaric mob like you guys.
a) killer was mentally ill
b) organizers broke the law in order to save money by cutting expenses on security.
now,who is responsible for this tragedy? a or b?
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Most criminals lack empathy and don't understand that they've done anything wrong

you mean Owsiak?
you right here..he was to blame for this tragedy,yet he blames others
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

and whther the killer was sane or not

exactly thinking of a Nazi.
person that is mentally ill have no responsibility for hes actions..only Nazis were prosecuting mentall ill people in modern Europe.and in medieval times

Now your'e defending a murderer.

am not defending him,i was just wondering what he meant when he said he was innocent and locked in prison.
anyway.person who cannot defend himself (due to disability) ,from nasty libtard demanding hes blood, need someone who speak for him.

Btw, the police for now classified it as "zabójstwo":

yes,,its always initial classification..you didnt mention that hes not in arrest now ,but in a hospital,where he will be assessed by psychiatrists.

if found mentally ill,they will change classification.its standard procedure
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

It happens when they kill someone. This is what it's called - murder

no it is not.
its killing not murder.
in order to be classified as a murder,required conscious decision to kill.insane person can kill but have no ability to commit murder.same with child.

learn some basics then lecture others.

He evidently did before, since he was blaming the Mayor's former political party for jailing him

well..and thats controversial.he should be in closed hospital not in prison..since he was danger to others..maybe this is what the killer meant when he said he was locked in prison and was injust
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

you need a dictionary so you can look up the word 'wstyd'

yes,,, shame on Owsiak scammer.hes greed was to blame.
he broke the law that required him to register this even as "mass gathering event",which places responsibility on organizer to employ certain number of security people.

he didn't do it ,in order to save money,but instead employed couple of girls,from dodgy security company that didn't even have licence for providing security on mass events..

and at the end ,he was the first person to blame PIS for this.now this scum is gone.thanks god.i think he realized what hes done.

shame that someone died because this dodgy scammer was milking people.

Wtf is wrong with you?

whats wrong with you? since when in civilized world,medically insane person can commit murder? Nazis were the one that were killing mental ill people.are you Nazi?

mentaly disorder people have no capability to asses their action.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Owsiak quit as WOSP director..he should be prosecuted now.
he knows that it was hes fault and braking the law that lead to this tragedy.they omitted procedure to get rid of police,which is under PIS control.

as for this killer,,..he was diagnosed with schizophrenia.i wonder if he will even stand the trial.its not some depression..its serious mental disorder.
gregy741   
14 Jan 2019
News / WOSP in Poland [161]

A much loved Mayor of Gdansk being killed by a disturbed individual

much loved? he was quite controversial in regards of obeying the law.
ironic ,that this disrespect of law killed him at the end.one cheat too many