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Posts by Marek  

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Marek   
30 May 2008
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No chance, Bratwurst Boy! -:) LOL

"I don't think that most Germans like Hitler...."

O-ho, would you be frightfully surprised. Hitler's legacy is a very mixed one in Germany and Austria. Sadly, many still haven't learned the tragic lessons of history as evidenced by the unrepenetant bigotry and outlandish illiteracy, indeed stupidity, right here in PF!!

Some of us will simply die blissfully ignorant. Perhaps a blessing for the rest of us!
Marek   
30 May 2008
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Bratwurst Boy,

There you go again, lapsing into misused colloquialisms! D'you know the 'real' meaning of "tree hugger"?? It means an environmentalist, "ein Grufti", as you'd say it. Rather than trying to convert you into a "tree hugger", I'm simply trying to open your consciousness a little. If I were "ein Grufti", I'd be walking around in expensive sandals or Birkenstocks, wearing a beard and bathing irregularly. Is that your image of a tree hugger??? Oh, I pity you, sir (Not that you need either my pity or my approbation = Geltung.

'Course a recalcitrant (bockig, stur, unerziehbar) chap like yourself may, like the hardened criminal, be beyond all earthly help, at least all I could offer. You may never see the light.....unless you're looking for the switch, that is.

Good luck!
Marek   
29 May 2008
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LOL I meant better positive pr. -:)

I'm Jewish and of German heritage. I love the language to pieces (heck, I all but grew up with it!), enjoy the culture immensely, yet find myself often holding my nose as I slither past the layer of arrogance which seems to ooze out of the locals' pores when some non-descript Mediterranean type comes their way.

Some prejudices it seems simply never quite go away. Rather like being an African American in the deep South today. They're treated almost like anybody else.... on the surface. Yet, the 'oool South' ain't far beneath.
Marek   
29 May 2008
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.....Germans like everybody..... so long as they can feel culturally, intellectually, athletically, or especially technologically, superior. Come to think about it, maybe they're just plain tired of always being on top, that gets tiring. I'm sure they'd like to turn over the mantel of perfectionists numero uno to someone else. Morally superior? Naah, Germans aren't much into 'hypocritizing' about morality. The latter they, like most of Europe, are all too happy to leave to us Americans! -:) LOL Seems we can expound for endless hours abour brotherly love, except of course, once we need to practice it.

I guess Turkey and Turks need better pr. The US is the world capital of public relations (sorry, second only to Austria who was able to convince a gullible planet that Beethoven was really an Austrian and Hitler a German).
Marek   
29 May 2008
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Just as here in the States, The Turks and others like them, the Chinese, Vietnamese, Hispanics, even immigrant Bukharian Jews etc... will always continue to look especially attractive to business because they offer cheap labor. Old Darwinist-Capitalist slogan: Don't pay a cent for something, no matter how good, if you can get it for free (or close to free)!
Marek   
28 May 2008
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For whatsoever it's worth, I've always preferred Turkish over Greek cooking! Maybe this is due to my extensive experience with Turkish restaurants nearby where I live. Moussaka and Spanikopia, while often flavorful, seem heavier than Turkish dishes prepared with joghurt, goat's milk etc.
Marek   
28 May 2008
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'.....as we use in our native languages.....'

But don't tell us which they are, Southern. -:)-:) LOL Keep us guessing!

Actually, I'm not really a native German by birth, merely by extraction. I am though completely bilingual in both German and English. Polish? Well, still a life-long intermediate. (If even that. -:) )

'...English hegemony.....!'

Really?? Pity then that it isn't treated with greater respect, even by non-Anglists such as yourself/yourselves. English: The universal language of eternal misunderstanding. (...to be continued, the latter topic. I've oodles to say on it, as you could probably tell already.)

Cheers,
Marek   
27 May 2008
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..and, Southern, you've forgotten my own favorite, 'lokum' or what we named 'Turkish Delight'!

Indeed, the Turks, much like the Slavs, have a much more flexible word order than English. Ashame that when writing in English, one should follow the stubbornly inflexible rules of a more fixed syntax than either Turkish or Common Slavic! -:)

Just a wee bit of advice.

I realize on the other hand that my errors in Polish are equally legion, and probably just as vexing.

Here's then to mutual learning!

We Germans also have a more open word placement than English:

-Meine Cousine wohnt in Magdeburg. My cousin lives in Magdeburg.)
-In Magdeburg wohnt meine Cousine. " " ".
-Wohnen tut meine Cousine in Magdeburg (.....arbeitet doch in einem Vorort)
The latter is correct, but considered by many DUDEN-grammarians as colloquial.

Each means the same thing, yet with only a nuanced difference.
Marek   
27 May 2008
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Thanks, Southern!

'Turkish is the sweet baklava..." ??? Odd sentence structure. English isn't your mother tongue, I take it. I think you meant here 'Sweet baklava (no "the" article necessary) is Turkish.', no? In addition, I wasn't aware that there was any kind of baklava other than the sweet variety. Interesting. Well, one never stops learning. -:)

I notice other occasional word-order choices in your English which seem almost translated from some other language.
Marek   
27 May 2008
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'Tavla', I believe is a Turkish contribution to what we call today 'the board game'. In parts of India it's also known as 'parcheesi', if my memory is correct (..which it usually is.. knock wood...Oh, come in!' LOL )

In England and the States it's called 'backgammon'.

PS
Who invented the telelscope? A Turk too, I think. Rats!!! Wrong again. It was a European, Galileo. (Always did confuse Germans with Turks. Or was he Spanish?)
Marek   
27 May 2008
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'May I borrow that joke?'

Bratwurst Boy, I wasn't joking. -:) LOL Furthermore, I never 'lend' my material. That'd be approx 100 euros please, OOOPS (old) złoty. Hmmm, with the current rate of exchange US dollar to euro...... eh- that;s about .50. Oh, and that's only minus interest (Zins). I've got to make something from the deal. Payment may be tendered (Zahlung geleistet) at any time (....so long as it's within 14 days.) Ciao time!

:)!!!!!!!!
Marek   
25 May 2008
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The spread (but not 'invention' of.... LOL) of coffee throughout Western Europe, the fez and glow-in-the-dark wallpaper... OOps, sorry! The last one was invented by the Czechs, I believe, apologies. -:)
Marek   
25 May 2008
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Southern,

The question remains: What is the meaning of 'civilized'? Again, the Nazis considered themselves the apex of a civilized society, but were they??? Of course, not. Subject closed.

The Turks never developed the technological know-how of many North American and Western Northern European nations. This, however, is not by dint of their lack of 'civilization'! Japan is considered a more advanced society than China, but in fact, Japan owes almost everything in its history to the Chinese, e.g. their very writing system. Feudal dictatorships have had varying effects upon culture. Japan flourished during the Edo period, yet languished during the Meiji Restoration in the mid-19th century. China was the inventor of paper, gunpowder etc., yet remained, to some extent remains, a third world country to this day.
Marek   
24 May 2008
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'I cannot say the same for the Turks.'

If what the Nazis called 'civilization' is for whatever earthly reason, your cup of tea, you can keep it, thank you very much!!

A civilized society is a heck of a great deal more than merely daily sanitation, flush toilets, solid, dependable infrastructure and all the creature comforts afforded a push-button technology. The Nazis may have been 'civilized' by the latter definition, they were HARDLY 'enlightened'.

There can be little disagreement there.
Marek   
24 May 2008
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Civilization?? One man's 'civilization' is another's barbarism. Hitler and the Nazis thought themselves the ultimate in Germanic world civilization. Von Ribbentrop even considered himself one of the 'Kulturdeutsche' (cultured Germans). Civilized??? The very thought begs the question.

Furthermore, let's distinguish between a 'civilized', 'cultured'/'cultivated' and 'enlightened' people. In addition, Southern, The Nazis took science, research and cinematography, for example to new, undreamed of heights....but to what end?
Marek   
24 May 2008
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It is a fact that the state of Osman Turkey was superior even to the empires of Great Britain. When you assert that Turkey has done nothing for 500 years, you assert plain and simple nonsense! How do you measure your opposing standard of 'something'? Are you measuring against Western or Osman standards? While it is true that the state of Turkey's economy was for decades lagging far behind Germany, Britain or Scandinavia, don't forget either that all of Western Europe was not on an equal economic playing field. Take Ireland thirty years ago. It was the poorest nation in Western Europe and look at Ireland today; The Celtic Tiger.

As far as 'multi-culti' (spelled with a 'c' in English-:)LOL) arguments, I'm interested in how one might intelligently debate what I've said thus far. All I've heard is right-wing raving!!

I will confess though that immigration is still a most important issue in our society. Scapegoating one or more groups in frustration and anger however, is hardly the solution.
Marek   
24 May 2008
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I think, in fact I know, we've veered far off the original topic of why are Turks the subject of such animosity throughout much of Europe today.

Actually, who hates period, hates all people. Bigotry knows no boundries of reason. Therefore, yes, who hates Turks also hates Greeks, black Africans, Gypsies, Jews etc... , all the convenient scapegoats of history.

The moral here: Hatred never stops with one group. That's the shameful part about it!!
Marek   
24 May 2008
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Jukrek,

Enlighten yourself! By the way, what precisely did you mean by 'Leave language'?? Are you translating from Polish? You may e-mail me privately at panlech31#yahoo, if it's easier. I appreciate that you all are so eager to polish your English skills!! -:) LOL
Marek   
24 May 2008
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Guest!

Long prior to the Shoah, Hitler was known to have remarked to a close aide when asked if such an act as what we now call 'The Holocaust' would be permissable. His response: 'But who remembers Armenia?', i.e. the Turkish genocide of millions of Armenian Christians!!

One of our great short story writers William Saroyan, wrote lyrically, yet with pathos, about this time.

This is not a slight against Turkish culture or the Turkish people as a nation, merely a statement concerning an extremely horrible period on their history! I'm presently studying Turkish! I also love German and Polish, aware as I am of the horrendous anti-semitism, not to mention plain xenophobia, of both countries!

A parting thought: Do we as free people want to be saying to future generation: 'Who remembers Auschwitz'?
Marek   
23 May 2008
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'Just because he was Christian?'.....

And how about Jassir Arafat's continued war against Israel? Just because Israel is populated by Jews??

One wrongful act hardy justifies another.
Why do I bring up English knowledge when challenged? Simply because non-native speakers such as yourself commonly make mistakes in their attempt to impress English speakers with the calibre of their English.

Humility (skromność) is needed. Conversely, I'd hardly be so arrogantly self confident were I posting only in Polish.
Marek   
23 May 2008
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It's not a case of US/Western vs. 'foreign'-non-Western, press, but rather of truth vs. fiction.

I too am aware of local TV news distortions or omissions. No journal or report is immune from the influence of political bias. I read the Polish news on occasion in order to keep myself abreast of current events, and in the original Polish!! Do you read English so well that you can sense distortion in reportage??

Incidentally, the excerpts you've cleverly extracted are probably out of context. It is a known fact that Jewish anti-Christian sentiment, once more prevalent than it is now, was a direct result of centuries-old Christ-killer myths being disseminated across Europe and elsewhere. Everyone knows that the Romans wanted Christ killed. Pontius Pilate, by the way, was not Jewish. LOL

If your clippings are true, I'd be the first to say that wanton violence never justifies violence. Self defense though, is another thing entirely, hence, the need for context.

Arab anti-Jewish sentiment is merely based on incorrect readings of history, not to mention incorrect interpretations of the Koran, in which some see ALL outsiders as Infidels of Allah who must be destroyed. Enlightened minds, among them Muslim clerics, will gladly tell you that this is dangerous nonsense!!

Finally, the Jews have never had a deliberate policy of extermination of non-Jews. This can be confirmed in all sources as a matter of historical and public record.
Marek   
23 May 2008
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The examples whom you've cited, Jukrek, suggests that your research is at best incomplete, at worst, horribly skewed! Aside from that, I fear you also misunderstood the expression 'a fool's paradise', then again, English is a second language for you, as, for that matter, Polish is for me.

In English, 'a fool's paradise' comes, I believe, from Milton's "Paradise Lost" and refers to Lucifer's fall from grace. Then again, it may refer to the imaginary Land of Cocknaigne, where noone has to work and red wine runs freely from the streams, cooked pheasant hangs from trees!

You mean, not that the Jews themselves were fools, but surely, that they foolishly deluded themselves into believing that any European country would be an eternal safe haven from anti-semitism.

The Turkish question is more complicated. There is again that 'little' issue of the still officially denied Massacre of the Armenians....solely because they were Christians who did not accept Islam. -:)-:)
Marek   
23 May 2008
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Jukrek,

In terms of raw population figures, there were physically more Jews living in what is today Poland than anywhere else in Europe, perhaps the rest of the world at the time, with the possible exception of Wilnus and Kowno in Lithuania.

The word 'paradise' poses problems. It suggests that, as in Weimar Germany during the 1920's, the Jews somehow were living in a perfect society; accepted, assimilated and compeltely without peril. The picture is rather, especially in Poland, that the Jews were living in a fool's paradise, mostly unassimilated, they were allowed to remain in Poland, in their crowded shtettls, because they were of monetary value to the Polish government. Indeed, they were numerous, yet there was ALWAYS the undercurrent of bigotry and hatred, same as everywhere in Europe, except perhaps for the Scandinavian countries, whose Jews were so few, or even Ireland!
Marek   
22 May 2008
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'Your stories about Jews are "charming", but they don't tell the whole picture...'

No, you're right, they don't. I forgot to mention that the thankless history of the Jews throughout much of world history has been one of tragic misunderstandings based on nothing other than unenlightened prejudice, much of which could have easily been avoided if only the Jews had been allowed a place alongside their non-Jewish, not necessarily Christian, brethren!

Only a dyed-in-the-wool idiot believes that any race or nationality is essentially bad! There are always reasons for the perceived behaviours of others, not the least of which are frequently, indeed usually, economic circumstances which motivate people's reactions, be they Poles, Russians, Germans, what have you.
Marek   
21 May 2008
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As in 'Kommissar'??? LOL Good one, Osiol. -:)

By the by, I didn't mean to nitpick with my corrections. I only trust that the younger Poles out there are as intent on improving their English as we outsiders are on improving ,i.e. 'polishing', our Polish. that's all.

Na zdrowie, towaryszy!
Marek   
21 May 2008
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'Commies'?? Do you mean 'Communists' perhaps?? You've got the same problem as everyone else in Europe; you know the right slang, but not the correct standard! If anything, why not then 'pinko commies' while you're at it.-:)-:) LOL Incidentally, I'll correct other errors at a later time.
Marek   
21 May 2008
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Anti-semitism has deep roots in Poland's history. For example, in slang Polish, 'żydówka' means '*****' (kurwa), not only 'Jewess'.

'We have different history books in Poland.'...

...You sure do, namely,.......teaching wrong history!!-:)-:) LOL