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Joined: 8 Sep 2008 / Male ♂
Last Post: 13 Nov 2008
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Interests: Fuck off you arrogant, racist, hypocritical, self-righteous,ultranationalistic Western wannabe assholes.

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gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

you never what? speak English please?

Allow me to translate...he is saying he never slept with you.

Fatty = bum

Hit = had sex with

True enough. U know, I've even had chats with Polish people with coloured skin and they have been victims of racism

Yeah I knew a Polish guy who was dark skinned and had black hair. He could pass for Arab, Turkish etc. We were at a dinner with a bunch of people neither of us knew and they asked him where he was from and said his Polish was very good. He told them he was 100% Polish and they didn't believe it. They made Turk jokes the whole night and gave him a load of trouble.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Shhhh....you will be labeled a traitor to the slavic superkingdom!! You need to leave your flat now...take only what you can carry and immediately go to a country with no Polish people....your life is in danger! No time to waste! ;)
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

So how we treat them ?

Compared to most other places I have been I have seen more overt and quiet comments directed at non-whites and obvious foreigners. In private when people speak openly...like during dinners...the prevailing attitudes toward non-white foreigners are bad. Most of the comments on this forum from Poles regarding the issue reflect the same beliefs. Polish girls dating non-whites are much less accepted than in many (many not all) countries.

Everything I have said has been mentioned unsolicited by other expats and Poles and is not just my opinion.

It is not saying Poles are inferior or somehow 'less' but that is how the react...as if you were saying such a thing. It simply means that there is an aspect of the culture that needs improvement.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Keeping a tight focus on Poles as racist becomes persecutorial. It's limiting and, dare I say, intolerant

I disagree and assert you feel that way because you are Polish. This is a Polish
forum...this aspect of the problem has to do with Poland. This is a typical argument put forth by Poles to try and take the attention and blame off of them for whatever the topic is. There is a huge problem with accepting responsibility here. Now...one theory as to why this is come from many old Poles I know. They say that in the communist times if you were deemed responsible for a problem bad things could happen to you or at the very least you may lose something. Thus is became a part of the culture to deflect blame. You see this to this day in many aspects of the culture and business here. Every expat I know agrees and has experienced this. Only 'some' Poles tend to disagree...several Poles I know even acknowledge this.

We are talking about Poland and Polish culture...don't try to change the topic to deflect.

And Greg...it's not just about looking at someone...its about how you treat them. I have been stared at in a lot of places where I looked very different. But in most of those places I was treated very well. That's the difference.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

but then like Eva_K said the same happens to white people in Asia or Africa

Sure..but there are lots of places you can go and it doesn't matter at all...people don't even notice you just based on color generally. That is what we are getting at.

And I don't think you disagree overall so not trying to start something with you. God knows that is a losing battle ;)
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

This is a forum about Poland. We are talking about Poland. You are attempting to change the focus...it is common here (I live in Poland). Oversensitivity is another issue.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Seanus Eva's reply is typical in that it doesn't take responsibility yet simply deflects or says "but look other people do it too!!!" like that makes it ok.

I still stand by and agree with you that Poland would be in the top quarter if it could be scientifically validated.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

As I have said repeatedly I will not be able to convince you anyway. My experience and that of everyone I know who has been to Poland and many other places in the world backs it up for me just fine thanks. I am under no obligation to convince you.

In fact the reactions from the Polish members in the last minutes prove what I said above...you can't admit a fault without deflecting and being aggressive.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

I know exactly how this will go and there is no sense. I am quite confident based on your past behaviors and posts that nothing I can say would serve to convince you of what we are saying.

If anything it will become another typically Polish argument where the minutiae is nitpicked to try and deflect and avoid the point. See the post above yours for an example.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Because as I have mentioned time and time again Poles in general have a problem with ego. They refuse to accept that they have any shortcomings and are pretty aggressive when anyone suggests such a thing.

I don't hate Poles or Poland but this aspect of the culture really is frustrating.

Note I didn't say EVERYONE is like this but most are in my experience and that of most people I know.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Greg, most honest Poles will tell u as much. Grab some amyl nitrate and crack it open, it may help

There is the problem..those that deny it are either not honest or actually believe their behavior is ok.

I know several Poles that have no problem admitting racism is a common problem here....

Provide some facts.

Like I said that isn't possible to your standard. I can tell tales of my experiences and things I have witnessed as well as things my friends have seen and experienced. In fact I have....but that won't matter a bit to you or those like you.

You want some sort of chart with scientific studies...
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

Not possible to prove to your satisfaction. I agree that it is more racist than the average and I base that on my experience in many countries. Of course most Poles will deny this....not surprising at all.
gtd   
8 Nov 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Nah that was a joke...I am not petty like that not matter how much you or anyone else would like it to be true. In fact there are people on the good list I have gone at it with. But good try ;)

I think you are just upset you didn't make either list....:(((
gtd   
7 Nov 2008
News / Polish-American soldier and his wife murdered by four marines [163]

Seanus I expect better from you. Maybe you just don't know the implications of that phrase but in the US it is very unpleasant. That is also a woman who was tied up and executed next to her husband. Might dial it back a bit.
gtd   
7 Nov 2008
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

My suggestion on Mailing anything is this! Make sure you get a tracking number on it so you can follow it step by step! I learned the hard way! Oh and I was in my apartment watching tv went and checked the post and found a piece of paper saying I had certified mail I missed! Here is the kicker he rang the door and I opened the main door for him to come in! Yeah I'd say they are lazy!

UPS or FedEx etc only if it's important. EMS does not honor their insurance or guarantee. They give you the typical Polish customer service and tell you too bad **** off.
gtd   
7 Nov 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Please leave it. I see no reason that there should be a different standard applied to me than the rest. Though thus far the standards seem quite absent.

Hmm...I think it's ok. It is more of a character assessment, true, but it's not so out of place. He made some really valid comments.

Would you say it if you had made the naughty list? :PP

So where are you from anyway?
gtd   
7 Nov 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Well I thought I would contribute and provide my interpretation of this tradition.

For me is started with a request for information that led to even more frustration as they aggravating things about Poland were magnified here by some of the "colorful" people who roam the PF halls.

Starting on the positive side:

I would be remiss if I did not first point out the very polite and helpful responses of Harry who is ironically a British expat in Poland but knows more about day to day life and administrative things here than any Pole I have ever met. So thanks to the honorable gentleman from the UK for his assistance.

I have also been pleasantly surprised by a few Polish expats who tend to be the most stubborn of Poles but in the following cases break that mold:

Bzibzioh is a wise, admirable and some would say drop dead gorgeous woman who somehow maintains her sense of humor while dealing with the handicaps of being Polish and having to live in Canada. Much respect from me :)

Miranda whom I don't know well but seems to have decent and centered views about how people should treat others and that is always something to be proud of.

PolishGirlTX who while seems to have not lost the traditional Polish female temper while living in the land of cowboys has shown that she does have a good heart while she helps people translate their sweet messages to loved ones and encourages the effort. And yes boys...she is a looker.

Sausage who though while his name is mildly disturbing has seemed to maintain a fairly neutral view of life and seems to be an all around decent bloke.

Seanus because he agrees with me often...not really but he does make an effort to be fair and balanced and that is a rare characteristic in this day and age. I haven't quite figured out which kingdom of Britain he comes from as I swear I have seen him referred to as Scottish and English. Either way he is ok in my book.

Bratwurst Boy who scores points by being German because I appreciate the good points of that society without focusing on the past (which many can't seem to do) and also he appears to have a good grasp on reality and I appreciate that.

AussieExpat because I sympathize with her plight and let's face it...everyone likes Australia and Australian girls.

Matyjasz one of the few honest and reasonable Polish men on this board and maybe in the world. He is able to avoid the usual traps of arrogance and denial so common here.

JustysiaS who I know gets under some people's knickers but I think she is at the core a good chap who does care about others. She is temperamental for sure but so damn cute it makes up for it. Pip pip cheerio and all.

Daisy who seems generally sweet and friendly. Plus with a name like Daisy what could you possibly say that is bad?

Dice who unfortunately has chosen to leave though I totally understand. it IS hard to put up with the people below...

Speaking of people below. I can honestly say I have never seen a forum with so many nasty people who seem to be unable or averse to discussing pros and cons or a place without turning it into a battle over slavic superiority. While I have said a thing or two that was a little but over the line I believe in owning up to the truth and trying to improve things. This brings us to the list of udesirables but where to start??

Now I am just picking names form a random order so I don't want the first person to get their ego all hard and erect thinking they have made #1 or anything. We know how much that would mean to you. That being said:

Z_Darius another Pole in Canada (when will you have enough to join with Chicago and create your own nation?) who epitomizes the "I am Polish and smarter than you because we have high IQs and like to wear tiny square glasses" crowd. He fancies himself a bit of a wordsmith with English and totally avoids the point of a sentence in exchange for nitpicking little errors to demonstrate his massive mental superiority...only it doesn't work :( Stick to Scrabble games.

Wahldo another slavic brother (czech) it seems residing in the USA and imagining himself a Pole but not quite being able to pull off the scowl convincingly. He doesn't understand how the US could possibly keep track of how many Poles stay illegally and the thing called 'counting them as they come in and IF they leave' seems to be a conspiracy theory to him.

Crow who seems to think Serbia is some sort of supernation whose people contain the gene of God thereby making them naturally better than all others. His propensity for posting propaganda and slavic fantasies is at once humorous and disturbing.

Filios the experiment gone wrong during a super secret Polish/Greek crossbreeding program whose objective was to infuse the frowning Polish culture with the overbearing enthusiasm of their fellow EU members from Greece. Unfortunately they messed up and put the halves they intended to toss out together and let the good ones be disposed of. Pity.

Southern I suspect Southern was instrumental in the Filios experiment and due to his shame and exile has come to PF to try and find a home. He is a man without a culture now outcast from Greece but despised by Poland for what he wrought upon them with Filios.

Franek A bitter old Polish expat who seems to enjoy telling anyone who will listen how many houses, cars, TVs and whatever else he has and seems to enjoy the fact that in America you have the Freedom of Speech and can even say ridiculous racist BS and not be imprisoned. Great isn't it?? The fact that he is likely thrice divorced and chasing after young materialistic women like a desperate old man could not be more obvious.

Arctic Paul A smarmy Brit who is the antithesis of the kind and helpful Harry and seems to have come from the same womb as Z_Darius at they share a common 'arrogance' gene. I guess mom had a secret....shhhhhhh.

IronsE11 another one of the Queen's subjects who has taken himself a little too seriously. I guess some people get grumpy being cooped up on a little island with horrible weather and bad cuisine. That or he is angry that his boyfriend doesn't find him attractive anymore.

gtd some American wanker who lives in Poland and thinks he is the resident expert on Polish culture. He is just angry because he has to pay three times as much as he should for clothes and electronics. I bet right now he is sitting alone at Zloty Tarasy scowling at all the Poles surrounding him with their gelled mohawks and tiny glasses.

And to wrap it up all of the Pakistani, Arab and Asian guys in general who seem to think finding a wife is as simple as posting an ad at the bus stop. Goats are probably going to be a more realistic option fellas. Just watch out for the back hooves....ask Arctic Paul or IronsE11...they can really leave a mark.

So to those of you with kind hearts and good intentions I thank and salute you. If only the site staff would put forth the effort at cleaning the scum off the pond this site could be a wonderful resource. I am happy to hear through numerous PM's that I am not the only one who feels this way.

To any I may have left out on the good list my apologies I am hungry and off to dinner. To anyone left off the bad list leave a note and I will include you at the first convenience :P

Cheers to all and be safe ;)
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

See?

This is the refrain....you disagree with something insult or deny....its a stale tactic.

I am American and live in Poland whether you believe it or not and I stand behind what I say...I guess expecting the same honesty from everyone is my mistake.
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

but you refuse to agree with anyone else

This is untrue (oops I disagreed with you...crap no way around that...its a trap!)

I agree with people here commonly. I just won't agree with BS simply because it is the party line and unpopular not to.
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

If you fail in that respect I will point it out and I will do it without guilt or shame. The guilt and shame are on you and I see no need on my part for apologies

I have a fine command of my native language and no guilt or shame at all about it at all....and I find it amusing that you think I should.

dont you agree?

No I don't agree. Other than a couple times I got pissy and admitted I was pushing it all I have said is clear and real...not trolling nonsense like who has hotter girls. Denying everything because your back is up about nonsense doesn't fly.

I think the majority of us are USA , Canada, UK and we have a few austrailians as well.

And ironically Polish living abroad rather than locals here are some of the worst when it comes to the behaviors I mentioned.
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

you cant possibly get undertones from typing.. unless your super man or something. <~now that had a undertone did ya hear it??

People use certain words and phrasings to emphasize certain things. In many cases it is quite clear. I know you disagree I am just explaining how I see it.

Much that is posted here has the 'undertone' that the Polish culture is superior. In many cases it is flat out stated and not subtle at all. The only reason I had clashes with anyone here is that they attacked when I pointed out things I viewed as flaws here (Poland) and couldn't admit truths about this country and culture. Not all Poles act this way of course but it is common.

They also feel free to slag off other cultures and make ridiculous declaratory statements about them but god forbid anyone points out factual things about Poland.
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

I disagree. There is a common undertone in many posts here. It is easy to recognize and I point it out. Comments such as "This is really basic English, isn't it?" are not cryptic at all and meant as insults.

Don't worry I am aware the party line here is not in agreement with me.
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

So now you're a psychoanalyst and you know what my intentions were? These American teachers of English are a very versatile bunch :)

No psychoanalysis required...some things are very obvious.

that depends on how arrogant you feel at the moment I guess ;) is that a common trait of yours BTW?

Pointing out the arrogance of others is not arrogant. Most of what people have gotten on me about is pointing out the tendency of Poles to tell you how they are smarter or better than other cultures or the racist nature in the culture that is denied but clear to all outside.

Now if I went about saying how I was by nature of my culture better than Poles then I could be labeled as arrogant. But I have not done that nor do I think that. I would simply like Poles to own and admit their faults rather than attack others like filios and co.
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

What you quote says I have experienced more than a fair share of Poles with competent English skills. It doesn't say there is a fair share of Poles speaking English at a level rivaling a native. This is really basic English, isn't it?

Semantics and you know it. You intention was very clear and you are nitpicking to try and avoid admitting it.

And yet another smarmy attempt at an insult. It's not working.
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

I never said there is a fair share of Poles speaking English at a level rivaling a native

Really? What is this then?

Still, I have experienced more than a fair share of Poles with competent English skills, easily rivaling those of some native speakers of the language.

and as to this

Would you say my alleged arrogance matches yours?

I think it is a common (not all but often) trait of the Polish male to act superior to others and your alluding to the fact that Poles can learn perfect English but English speaking natives couldn't learn perfect Polish shows that. The reason more English speaking natives don't learn Polish well is there is no need compared to the number of Poles who need to speak English. It isn't complicated just numbers.
gtd   
2 Nov 2008
Language / Recommended for learners: Michel Thomas Method Polish Audiobook [60]

I do...just not well and I can tell you why. The majority of the interaction I have is with foreigners. I lived with a fluent English speaker for a few years and she just wouldn't use Polish and always spoke English. My daily immersion was more English than Polish thus my lack of fluency. It is all about your exposure. I also am aware that even once I attain fluency I am never going to sound like a native due to physiological issues of adults and accent unless I devoted full time study for years at these details.

And I know exactly why you asked the question so no need to be sly.