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Borrka   
3 May 2010
History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [105]

Before sacred date of May 9th, you should choose right side!

Actually I think it's very nice that our Russian friends are not forgetting the Europe Day celebration.
On May 9, 1950 French Foreign Minister Robert Schuman presented a plan for some deeper European cooperation which is considered as a milestone of European unity.

Nice picnics and numerous celebrations take place every year on this day.
Borrka   
20 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]

Nathan, I owe you an answer to your comments in this thread - sorry I'm very busy and don't have enough time even to read the forum.

What is the disaster about my country? It goes through rough times, so?

If we want to keep some proportion then when I call the situation in Poland "bad" (as compared to the rich EU-countries) then qualification for Ukraine has to be "disastrous"

In sense of economy, political situation, political influences, future.
No way around it.

you pretend to having had some alliance and somehow bad influence of Lits and Uks on Polish mentality

Ratherinvolvement into the East-European chaos than any bad influences and it's not my opinion but Pawel Jasienica's statement.
You cannot deny negative consequences of the Polish East-expansion - you may call it occupation and I would rather say "colonization" but we can probably agree on the results:

permanent conflict with Russia, Cossacks' risings, partitions, Wolhynia killings etc.etc.

And according to Jasienica there was a different, better way:
protecting our Western territories, more cooperation with Germans and even accepting some mild kind of Germanization without losing our national identity.
Mental Germaization instead of getting involved in Ukrainian-Russian (Eastern Slavonic) issues.
Quite ahistorical idea - it takes two for tango - but sounds good to me.

Say simply:"I, Borrka, want to be a German and my people be German-like"

Let us put it some different way "Me, Borrka would like to be alittle more like Germanics and get rid of so called "Slavic-soul".

What I like about Slavs are Slavic blond, blue eyed girls with their high cheek bones and not their communism spoiled characters .
Amen.
But don't worry.
I'm all an ignorant Slavic post-commie bastard lol.
Borrka   
17 Apr 2010
Po polsku / Apel o pojednanie z Rosją [15]

To chyba Kapuscinski pierwszy zwrocil uwage na ten fenomen - w Rosji pojawila sie teza, iz Narod rosyjski za komunizm nie odpowiada.
Przeciwnie, jest jego glowna ofiara i nalezy mu sie ... zadoscuczynienie.

Ta koncepcja stala sie niemal obowiazujaca w czasch Putina i jego propagandy sukcesu.
I nie mowie tu o propagandystych rosyjskiego nacjonalizmu w rodzaju Narocznickiej, czy apologetach CCCP.
Mowie o ludziach rozsadnych.

I powiedzmy szczerze, dla ludzi takich, jak ja, ktorzy Rosje znaja, a Rosjan wrecz lubia, jest to widzenie trudne do przyjecia.

Kazdy narod ponosi odpowiedzialnosc za swoje panstwo.
A przeciez zarowno Imperium Rosyjskie, jak i CCCP byly formami panstwa Rosjan.
Genetycznie niemieccy Romanowowie byli (moze na pokaz, moze z przekonania) bardziej rosyjscy, niz Wanka z Tambowa.
W imie tej blednie rozumianej rosyjskosci doprowadzili do puczu 1917.

W wyniku tego puczu powstalo panstwo z ktorym identyfikowala sie znaczna czesc Rosjan.
Nie kupuje tezy, iz to Zydzi, Lotysze i cyklisci tworzyli CCCP.

Tych "Zydow" bylo w porywach do 70 milionow, jesli policzymy czlonkow partii i komsomolcow.
Sporo.

Nie chce dyskutowac o niuansach i nawet zgodze sie, iz etniczni Rosjanie byli ofiara komunizmu.
Tak, jak narkoman jest ofiara swego nalogu.

Tymczasem nawet bardzo rozsadni Rosjanie, wybieraja sobie z sowieckiej spuscizny, to co godne dumy, te rozne gagariny, sputniki i zwyciestwa wojenne, a zbrodnie przypisuja innym, glownie starozakonnym i znanemu Gruzinowi.

Co wielu nie przeszkadza mniej, czy bardziej otwarcie, wielbic tegoz Gruzina.

Gospoda - tak sie nie da.
Wiekszosc z Was, Rosjan, doskonale pamieta o "uratowaniu" Krakowa, lecz nie chce wiedziec o pieredyszce Armii Czerwonej pod Warszawa, nad Wisla w 1944.

Widzicie wyzwolenie Europy Wschodniej i Wasze ofiary, przymykacie oczy na blisko 50 lat niewoli i komunistycznej rujnacji.
Rujnacji, ktora uczynila z nas III swiat.
Jak powyzej - tak sie nie da.

Czego jeszcze nie rozumieja Rosjanie ?
Wiedza przecietnego Rosjanina na temat Polski, jest z reguly ubozsza, niz nasza o Rosji, szczegolnie w zakresie wydarzen negatywnych.
Co wiecej, ta wiedza dotyczy innych fragmentow historii.

Wanka z Tambowa slyszal na ogol o polskiej interwencji, a dla Jasia z Czarnej Bialostockiej Iwan Susanin jest mniej znany, niz Rip van Winkle, o ktorym opowiadal mu szwagier z chicagowskiego Jackowa.

Jasio wie natomiast, iz nie byloby go na swiecie, gdyby dziadkowie nie spier...i przed NKWD z Bialorusi do Generalnej Gubernii w 1939.
Wania zna wspomnienia dziadka z "wyzwalania" Zachodniej Bialorusi i Ukrainy z rak Bialopolakow.

Takie przyklady mozna mnozyc, a nad wszystkim unosi sie duch czterech pancernych i szarika, ktorzy przez lata ksztaltowali swiadomosc historyczna i Jasia, i Wani.

W efekcie obaj nie rozumieja swych uprzedzen - anty-polskokatolickiego matrixu Wani i jasiowego podsmiewania sie z wyzwolicieli z Czerwonej Armii.
Borrka   
6 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]

but it is not a bit a disaste

Dear friend the problem is that I know your country.
And maybe better than you do.

You are just saying that you are a pathetic loser incapable of making your own life better.

Maybe I am, maybe not - you are definitely not in position to judge it.
But enlighten me pls how my personal situation refers to the main topic of this thread ?
And even if I don't drive a luxury car how does it change the economic ranking and political creditability of Ukraine ?

Any discussion with you is absolutely counterproductive - as a hatred driven person you are only repeating your favorite ahistoric mantras which are hardly in line with the mainstream of European historical knowledge.

But really ... feel free to believe in Polish plot and stay in your besieged fortress of Halychina !
Borrka   
5 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]

Better life washing dishes and working in factories like robots? Even those who graduated from their studies do such work.

You don't need to discuss this issue with me but just ask some Silesian small town boy, third generation lodger of a "familok-slum" in a poor neighbourhood of Siemianowice.

Blue collar job in Poland versus blue collar in the UK but with plasma TV and Canary Islands last minute flight perspective.

The German way of life?

As above - own flat, color tv, Canary Islands last minute and Harz IV if necessary. Still an exotic dream for many people in Poland.

The problem was that the Teutonic Order was not interested in a long term alliance with Poland

My fault - I presented Jasienica's views not precisely enough.
His idea is that Poland should have concentrated its efforts on the Western politics scene and not got involved into any Eastern-Slavonic issue.
Borrka   
5 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]

Borrka, what German politicians do you admire?

German politicians don't need my admiration but German votes.
But sure, I can name some personalities I respect.
But remember - I'm quite "hawkish" and conservative in my sympathies both in politics and economy.
So taking in consideration the post-war period and democratic Bundesrepublik only,
what about Kurt Schumacher, Konrad Adenauer, Helmut Kohl and last but not least the GDR-Angie ?
There is some hope for Mr Westerwelle as well.

Many Poles are very patriotic and see the good options around them.

Many Poles are leaving Poland at the same time just looking for the better life.

Your post neatly sums up the Polish ambivalence towards the East

And what are you expecting from a "standard" Pole like me ?
Sure, my way of thinking presents Polish attitude toward history and today's reality.
In addition I know pretty good some European countries, both East/West and the German way of life is what I prefer.
Maybe with less socialism lol.
It's not perfect but still better than US skyrocketing Gini index, French or Italian chaos, Russian Mad Max matrix.
Believe me "luxury car" is just an eristic trick.
Borrka   
5 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]

Some comments:

First of all it's notmy opinion - so I'm not trying to make you believe it.
However, Jasienica was a prominent Polish historian so it would be wrong to make light of his works.

so why jeopardise that by referring to wealth?

It's not about wealth etc. but more about many sad and long lasting consequences of a single political decision .
It makes me believe that history is more mysticism than science lol.

What we are missing depends on our position.
So it works like that:
The rich nations are missing spirit, the poors don't give a damn about that - all they need are just some greenbacks.
No away around it.
Poles, being just in the middle are missing both.

If you sided with Germany now you would be like Sorbs.

38 millions Sorbs sounds quite good to me LOL.

There was never any alliance as such.

It's your point of view and definitely not mine.
Both Lithuanins and Ukrainians owe Polish Commonwealth their national existence.
Without it there would be no Lithuanians at all today and the population of Ukraine[
would be a part of the happy Orthodox family under Moscow's rule.
Take it for granted.

Besides what don't you like about your mentality?

As a matter of fact I love my mentality both in personal and national aspects lol.
However ... I definitely prefer German life standards, reasonable politicians, good highways, luxury cars to our Polish life of misery and Ukrainian disaster.

With all due respect Mr but: Are you on crack?

With all due respect I'm clean.
Borrka   
4 Apr 2010
History / The great mistakes of Poland's history? [216]

At least it's what Polish "star historian" Pawel Jasienica used to say:

The greatest mistake of us was when our cultural, political and civilizing processes turned to the East and our ancestors gave up the idea of the Latin united Europe .

Yes, it happened after union with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and had (possibly still has) enormous impact on Polish mentality, our way of thinking and acting - it's why Poles are more like Ukrainians and not like Germans or Czechs.

Well ... personally I enjoy being "semi-Asiatic" but what were our long run-benefits of the Jagellons' Union ?

Let me call a spade a spade.

Siding with Germans (Teutonic Order) against pagan Lithuanian and Orthodox Russins would have been by far more profitable than any aliance with Lithuanians, Ukrainians or Belorussia (whatever it meant 600 years ago).

If not the Union, Poland would be today more like rich Germany or the Netherlands on the contrary to the poor European East.
Borrka   
28 Mar 2010
History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]

Seanus: As for Piłsudski, he shouldn't be uttered in the same breath as Hitler and Stalin.

Portraiting Pilsudski as a monster was an important part of the infamous Soviet propaganda.
Somehow easy to understand - the old marshal was the only one who broke the myth of the invincible Red Army.
Some of the new post-Soviet republics where history books portrait Pilsudski as an enemy of the state, are just following example of the big Russian mommy lol.

In fact he was neither devil nor saint.
He is Polish national hero and has never pretended to act on behave of Ukrainian or Lithuanian irredenta but at least he protected the Baltics and Western Ukraine from becoming Soviet controlled gulags.
Borrka   
28 Mar 2010
History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]

Nathan: You missed my 1920-1939 period, Borrka.

Just my rhetorics.
Prewar human rights regulations were even not "remotely close" to the EU standards so referring to them while talking todays problems does not make too much sense for me.

That's what I meant - I don't try to justify Polish prewar attitude towards Ukrainians.

Nathan: Did you hear any protests of Poles in Ukraine with preventing them to have their TV?

What I hear are rather everyday survival problems on some very low level so how should "Ukrainian" Poles pay their own TV ?
It was Polish state bearing all the expenses of Ukrainian programs in Poland so we could expect some return service from your authorities.

Polish TV (from Poland) in Lviv via satellite, cable or cross-border broadcast is exactly the same what Poland "offers" to our Ukrainian citizens.

Nathan: Somehow 47% were eager to stay there than in independant Lithuania.

When ?
Borrka   
28 Mar 2010
History / Piłsudski, like Hitler and Stalin (according to some Lithuanians) [144]

Nathan: But Lithuanians are angels in their current minority policies as compared to Poles in XVI-XVII centuries

You're not serious. Are you ?
How can you compare "medieval" standards with today
Union's requirements ?

Nathan: (Ukrainians) don't have an opportunity to watch Ukrainian news for 26 minutes a month

And what about Polish minority in Ukraine ?
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm not aware of any Polish language TV program for 300 000 or more Poles still living there.
Just repaying in kind.

Nathan: It seems like somebody had good life in Lithuania under communism regime.

I don't wish my enemy this kind of good life.
It's a pity the situation is still the same or even worse today.
Borrka   
7 Mar 2010
History / How was Poland compensated after World War 2 [47]

Poland was not in the axis and had the fourth largest Allied army

So what ?
50 years under Soviet boot was all we have gain as our "compensation".
Borrka   
7 Mar 2010
History / How was Poland compensated after World War 2 [47]

Well ... what kind of compensation are you expecting for a country like Polnad that has lost the war ?
And no doubt Poland was a main loser of the ww2.
Borrka   
4 Feb 2010
History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

Golden Age ends!

No, it just starts.

It's a ground school's level basic knowledge that so called golden age of Cracow and in general of the Polish Commonwealth took place in 15th/16th century, driven by Polish magnates and their money.

It's rather interesting that all this happened first after full polonisation of the German element. Probably every culture needs its national background and hired craftsmen from the overpopulated and hunger striven Reich were not enough to do the job.

With all respect to Veit Stoss ... but who paid him and decided about character of his work ?

But you are obviously overestimating those German influences. After the first quasi prehistoric period of German presence Cracow became more and more Polish with a lot of Italian color.

Same goes for the influence of the Baltic oriented German Hansa.
Cracow used to be a member of it but you better take a look at any map LOL.

Anyway, nice remake of uncle Adolf's good nite fairy tales for Hitlerjugend!
Borrka   
9 Jan 2010
News / Poland's fidelity to support wars and its limits. [46]

these mantras about Russian-Chinese antagonism

There is no Russo-Chinese antagonism, Kostik.
What I see is your common bright future, a result of some peaceful penetration from China and final unification to a happy nation .

I can hardly imagine something better for you - as a medium sized nation of 140 millions you are not in position to control the huge area from Moscow to Vladivostok.

Moreover you can get nearly everything you don't have from China - modern know-how, sober political and economic leadership, all the goods Russia is hungry for !

All you need is to pump oil and excavate for gas and your Oblomov's dreams come true!
Borrka   
20 Dec 2009
Language / Why in the world there are three ways to write simple U ?!?! [54]

I used the voiced "h" when speaking Polish till my teens, when I got laughed at by my peers for this and gradually dropped it. ;-)

I know the difference is still to hear for people from the Eastern part of Poland.
Anyway, you are my Nobel Prize nominee LOL.
Borrka   
20 Dec 2009
Language / Why in the world there are three ways to write simple U ?!?! [54]

I'm ready to offer a Nobel prize nomination to somebody who can explain different pronunciation of "h" and "ch" .
But I've heard there are some nuances.

BTW, I'm a Warsaw born Polish native speaker with many years of experience LOL.
So take it easy guys - no sense in our spelling.
Borrka   
19 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

hat's what you did in 1349 and 1920 in Ukraine.

It's demagogy pure to use the same political standards while comparing some medieval and present events.
According to Kievian chronicles both Poles and Ukrainians used to start local wars every year and armed raids made a noble form of entertainment lol.

BTW. Poles and Ukrainians hardly existed in the modern understanding of a nation.

As for 1920 ... what was wrong about the idea of the Polish - Ukrainian cooperation ?
And before you say "perfidious betrayal" ask yourself about Poland's military potential after the bloody 1920 campaign and political power of Petlura.

You may say that about Czechoslovakia in 1938

Interesting.
You are using Soviet propaganda tricks.
Now you should tell us about "liberation" of the Western Ukraine and Western Belorussia.
Using stupid (and lamentable) Polish aggression and annexation of 800 square kilometer to counterbalance Soviet mass killings and death of more than one million people deported to Kazakhstan is simple not fair.
Borrka   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

The Goralenvolk weren't seen as Poles by the Nazis.

But they were Poles in spite of German wishful thinking. They simple didn't want to become a part of "Herrenvolk" like a huge majority of us.
Borrka   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Sawoniuk was a Pole. He was born in Poland to Polish parents.

Any proofs ?
It will be the first time I hear of a Pole named Andriusza.
Interesting.

By that time Poland had cleansed its soil of its ethnic minorities,

False.

The rest of your posting contents no arguments.
Words only.
Borrka   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

I can tell you the names of two more straight off the top of my head Anthony Sawoniuk (who joined a Belarussian Waffen SS Unit before changing sides when he saw which way the wind was blowing) and Bronislaw Hajda

Sure "Andriusza Sawoniuk" makes a typical Polish name lol.
Same goes for Hajda.
And maybe you have heard pre-ww2 Poland had 30% minorities including Germans ?
Borrka   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

how many Polish were there 100,000?

I suggest you read this thread again and again and again.
After 10 times you will be able to answer the question.
I hope at least.