Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


Answer the question Jon.

You say I cannot see the opposing view so tell me what is the opposing view I am incapable of seeing ?

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


And what is the opposing view ? That Islamic extremism has nothing to do with Islam ?

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


Well how the hell would YOU know if victims of the IRA believe the IRA and Islamic Extremism are motivated by the same thing ??? Are you on drugs Jon ?


Right-ok. So you are saying that EVERY church and mosque are "reaching out in friendship". I love your fast and easy way with the facts.


Correction. Only a minority of idiots will physically or verbally abuse muslims for the actions of a few. There are many more people who have had enough of Islamification but their views tend to be confined to the dinner table.

Message to admin. I respect the need for you to get involved when posts veer off topic but it's getting to a point where Jon, Harry and others are at times posting intentionally provocative comments just to get a kick out of it.

I only returned to this forum to try and balance their clearly-biased views but it's impossible to address every lie they trickle feed into your forum. There will come a time when people like myself will just walk away from the forum and leave it to become a heavily biased forum influenced by a small number of members who are intent on force feeding their message to PF members.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


Repeating the same lie again Jon ? I answered you and others on this topic several weeks ago and you and your friends couldn't think of a response. Repeating the claim again after several weeks is pretty pathetic.

There is no direct comparison between the IRA and Islamic extremism and I would like everyone who reads this thread to understand that. The IRA were politically motivated. Terrorism at this time was committed by people who happened to be Catholic or Protestant. Islamic extremism and the acts of terrorism they commit are done because those people follow Islam (albeit a twisted interpretation of it). Their love of Allah is their only motivation and they feel killing innocent people is Allah's will. Now show me where the IRA ever committed an atrocity in the name of Jesus Christ..........


Not every church and not every mosque are "reaching out in friendship" as you so poetically put it. The media in recent years paints the same narrative whenever we suffer at the hands of Islamic extremism so it's difficult to use mainstream media as the yardstick by which you can measure people's sentiment.

People who have less palatable views on the atrocity would probably not get any airtime as the networks wouldn't want to "offend" anyone.

Other news sources are reporting a rise in verbal abuse against Muslims in the immediate wake of the bombing. Even Muslim sources are admitting this so it's not all happy families over here Jon whatever you might say.


What on earth are you actually trying to say ??? Bieganski was saying that some muslims happily live in the UK for years yet still have a hatred towards the British way of life and he was then asking why would some people believe it would be any different in Poland. How was he using the death of the 22 victims from the Manchester bombing and why are you even trying to suggest that he was ???

The propoganda and spin coming from people like you and Jon makes me sick to the stomach at times.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


It was YOU who made this point wasn't it ?

WTF kind of juvenile point are people trying to make when they bring up the Crusaders ?? That was hundreds of years ago and bears no relevance to what is happening today.

How can you deny that there is an element within the Muslim community who believe in a twisted interpretation of the Qu'ran and believe it deeply enough that they are willing to kill for their beliefs ?? The whole world and his dog accept there is a problem yet you deny it. I consider people who share the same opinion as you no better than Holocaust deniers.

Islam isn't just a religion it is an ideology which is why so many of the comparisons people try to make e.g. Crusaders, IRA, white extremists are wrong.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


Hmmm I don't think he said that. I think he was saying that yes, Christians do commit acts of barbarism and terrorism but NOT in the name of their God whereas Islamic extremists are completely motivated by the belief that their actions are in the name of Allah.

Life / Favourite Polish movies? [107]


A great movie !

I was very disappointed with Ida though

Real Estate / Buying property at the Bailiff / Enforcement Agent Auction (Komornik Sądowy) in Poland [20]


Thanks. 6% is pretty low though :(

Any experience of property flipping ?

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


I sometimes wonder if the US model of immigration from the 1950's to the 1970's was the model for multiculturism that many of our leaders have aspired to. As some of you rightly point out this is like comparing apples and oranges as US immigrants, by and large, integrated into the American way of life.


I've written letters to my local paper about this. The Poles in the UK have often found themselves as the lightning rod of prejudice, racism and nationalistic views probably because Poles are white, European and Christian so criticising them can't "really" be classed as racism........

UKIP's campaign was largely based on highlighting how many Eastern Europeans (Poles) were here in the UK and I'd even go as far as to say that Brexit came about as a result of many people's views on Poles in the UK.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Sorry but I don't understand your point (haven't had my coffee yet though). The question of non-Europeans was not part of the survey so isn't is safe to assume that "EU citizens" relates to Eastern Europeans and as Poles form the largest part of the group then Poles are the ones people have in mind ?

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

Sky news carried out a survey yesterday on the question of whether EU citizens currently living in the UK should have the right to remain in the country after BREXIT.

55% of respondents answered "no".

I find that rather sad and reinforces my belief that many people in the UK do not like Poles living here

News / Only 37% of Poles read a book in 2017 [13]

I know it's a cliché but I think it is mostly down to parenting.

If mother and father don't read at home it's less likely that the child will and when that child grows up and has children of their own then the pattern repeats itself.

Same can be said for church attendance (especially in the UK)

News / Only 37% of Poles read a book in 2017 [13]

@delphiandomine

Good point Delphian although I'd be curious if the stats for Poland is much different to the rest of the world.

I actually find it very very sad that modern day culture is dumbed down to the extent that it is. I know people who have graduated from university and know nothing about the world or it's history and more tellingly, they don't care that they don't know :(

Real Estate / Buying property at the Bailiff / Enforcement Agent Auction (Komornik Sądowy) in Poland [20]

I don't quite follow.

Rent a residential apartment out but mark it down as a commercial space. Advertise for tenants but they have to agree that they cannot legally live there and if they do then I can serve one month's notice ?

Are any laws being stretched with this scenario ?

Real Estate / Buying property at the Bailiff / Enforcement Agent Auction (Komornik Sądowy) in Poland [20]

@Buggsy

What's the buy to let market like in Poland ?

I have always been tempted but friends and family have put me off saying it can often be a legal nightmare with tenants.

Travel / Most beautiful small towns / villages of Poland [49]

Merged:

Most attractive villages in Poland

I'm trying to create a blog post about some unknown treasures of Poland and wondered if anyone can suggest any villages that may not appear in typical guide books but are well worth visiting

Travel / What on earth is happening with the Second World War museum in Gdansk ? [5]

Thanks guys. I will keep my fingers crossed...

Law / Inheritance law in Poland - child's right to real estate [5]

So is there any point in making a will if the law decides for you how to distribute your estate ?

Love / Polish girl "loves" me, despite not meeting in real life first [56]

Have you sent her any intimate photos of yourself ? Be careful as there are reports of online blackmail scams

Feedback / Threads about Muslims to be automatically in Off-Topic? [20]


Perhaps because the definition of "troll" is subjective ?

For example, I believe that there are many instances when you, Harry, Delph and Jon troll the forums pushing your uniform message across the forum. I have even questioned whether you three are not all one and the same person as you appear to NEVER disagree with each other and ALWAYS support each other's opinion but as I say, the definition is very subjective.

Feedback / Threads about Muslims to be automatically in Off-Topic? [20]


So a thread about muslims that relates to Poland can stay as is but if it's just generally about religion then it gets moved ? Have I understood this correctly ?

And for the record. Topics sometimes veer away from the subject as a direct result of two of the members from this very thread. Example: a topic on whether Poland should accept muslim refugees is sidetracked by a debate about the IRA

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


I'm stating an opinion not a verifiable fact, hence my use of the words, "I believe".

Still waiting your source for the claim that Warsaw is full of muslims or did you think I had forgotten about that ?

UK, Ireland / After information about accessing mental health services in Leicester. [3]

Hi

I think you may find more relevant information by trying to engage with the Polish community in Leicester on social media, perhaps Facebook ?

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


Thanks Jon, I was expecting you to back up Delphian. Perhaps you might be able to back Delphian's claim that Warsaw is "full of muslims" as Delphian appears to be "away from his keyboard at the moment" due to his lack of reply to my request for a factual source to his claim.

Allow me to give a pre-emptive reply to Harry before he joins in. Please provide a source that Warsaw is "full of muslims" before you try to defend and detract from Delphian's claims.

There's more fake news sometimes from certain members here than in a Donald Trump news conference :)


Really ? Not one of them ??

I'll concede a point that most of them may not openly admit to it if someone with a clipboard approached them on the street and asked them if they wanted Sharia law in the UK but I believe that most of them would not lose any sleep over it if it were to happen.

Therein lies the conundrum of immigration from muslim countries to the west. They genuinely desire to live in a Western country but once here they show they are more than happy to impose their culture on the host nation.

I'm not really sure where this ends for Islamification of Western Europe as taking it to it's logical conclusion we will see France, Belgium etc become majority muslim nations who will then presumably have the freedom to impose Islamic sympathetic legislation. This plays well with the muslim majority who continue to vote for muslim politicians. Eventually these countries begin to take on the character of middle eastern Islamic countries which weirdly enough is not something that "Western muslims" are keen on. So where do they move to next ?

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]

Why should I be the one who has to establish a number ??? You are the one who claimed that Warsaw is full of muslims so lets have the facts that led you to make that claim.

You've had three attempts so far and wriggled out of every opportunity to support your claim

UK, Ireland / What can I say/do about my Polish neighbours in the UK? [65]

Thank you. It really should be a rule of the forum that claims are always backed up by a relevant source.

In my opinion, anyone driving over the speed limit, especially at such a speed is a d*ck. 135 mph is insane !

However, unless someone can show that a disproportionate number of Poles in the US are speed demons then I'm not sure what point Joker was making.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


Right. So you've gone from declaring that Warsaw is "full of muslims" to "you'll be staggered to see just how many brown skinned people are walking around".

Are you going to inject a fact here at any time or just make pronouncements as and when you see fit that are based on nothing more than your own personal perception ?

I'm surprised that you obviously equate "brown skinned people" with muslims-how do you know what religion the people you pass on the street are.

I await some facts to back up your claim that Warsaw is full of muslims.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


Let's wait for him to back his claim up with some facts.