Is 10500 monthly is enough for a family to live in Warsaw Poland

Most people in Warsaw get by on 2,000/3,000 (a public school teacher with a Magister gets 2,100 brutto max per month, civil servants with Magister earn 2,500 brutto, for instances..) and therefore with 5 times more, you'll live very well (I understand your couple + an infant so no need to bother with British or American school fees). Those saying the opposite don't live in Poland or don't live Polish life so they don't know.

As to Indians, I know that there is a "huge" Indian community in Raszyn (small town south west of Warsaw). Maybe good idea to move there as Polish people are not used to seeing people who are different and it is sometimes "difficult".

That's absolutely wrong. You're quoting the figures for a teacher that isn't even fully qualified yet, but rather is on the "trainee" year. Diploma teachers can earn significantly more than that, particularly those who have outside interests. Don't forget that the figure quoted is for a mere 18+2 "academic" hours a week - which translates into 15 hours a week work.


Some of them earn significantly more. That might be true for a low level clerk, but certainly isn't true for those that make decisions.


Given that you've quoted inaccurate figures, it's hard to take you seriously.


Oh please. Most people in Warsaw are used to the many nationalities to be found there.

"Cosmopolitan" - there may be some foreigners looking differently but if we get out of Centrum, we won't see any. I travel alot within Warsaw every day and I can say that in neighborhoods outside of Centrum, it's about 99.98% Polish.

And you know that how, exactly?

Haters gonna hate no matter where you go. I live in warsaw and i speak next to nothing, polish. if you have to go to some local offices then you might have some difficulty in communication, besides that i assure you its not a problem. Polish people always tend to start with " i speak very little english" when you approach them but most of the young ones speak decent english.

Regarding money, 10500 Pln will be more than enough for you to have decent life. If you are not a party freak and cook your own food majority of times, i think you can even save half of your 10500 Pln.

Delph: the salaries quoted are current:

I have 2 (public school) teachers around me: both with Master's, both in their 40's and with over 13/15 years' experience, and they get both 2,100 brutto (yes 18 hours teaching but many more hours to attend meetings, to do paperwork, to look after the kids on schooltrips not to mention work at home so very easily 40/hrs per week). I have also mentioned 2,500 brutto because I know 3 girls (aged 32-33) in 2 ministries/government institutions, with Master's and 2-3 years' experience, NOT at the lowest level and that's the pay they get. I often read that around 90% of Poles make less than 5,000 (which is even lower than the minimim wage in most Western European countries). Most Poles are not top businessmen, big doctors or dentists ;). Sorry, the average Pole does not make 2 or 3,000 euros/dollars like foreigners living in Poland claim. Otherwise why do so many Poles go abroad if at home they could earn "sooooo much"? ;)

What I mean is that with some 10,000 zl netto, it is much more than what most Poles make and therefore it gives a very good life.

Sorry, but you've been caught lying yet again -

experto24.pl/oswiata/place-i-finanse/bez-podwyzek-dla-nauczycieli-men-chce-utrzymac-obecne-zarobki-nauczycieli.html

The link very clearly shows that the minimum for a teacher with a Masters degree and pedagogical training is 2265 zł. That's for a teacher at the "stażysta" stage - which lasts for one year. It is almost unheard of for a teacher to not move onto the "kontraktowy" stage - at which point, they earn 2331 zł brutto. A teacher in their 40's would be highly unlikely to remain at that stage - mianowany is relatively easy to obtain, which carries a salary of 2647 zł brutto for that 18 academic hours a week. It's also unusual for teachers to do only 18 hours a week - overtime is quite common and nothing out of the ordinary in Polish schools.

Now, if you want to get into the nitty gritty (and I wouldn't - you've been caught lying about basic facts, you're not going to win any sort of debate with me on this topic) - what you say is also nonsense. Yes, there are meetings with parents, but school trips are not compulsory for teachers (indeed, many teachers refuse due to liability issues) - and teachers have very few internal meetings in school. In fact, what's interesting about Polish schools is how little management oversight there is of teachers.

If you want, we can discuss it further - however - given that I work in a semi-public school and know a thing or two about how teaching works in the real world, you might not want to go there. I notice that you've also completely failed to mention many of the benefits we get that most employees in businesses only dream of getting. Trying to quote a salary that isn't even real - schools *cannot* pay someone less than the minimums quoted there - isn't a good way to debate.


I think you're making one big mistake, typical for foreigners in Poland - you believe what Poles tell you when it comes to salaries. Poles are utter liars in my experience when it comes to talking about money - pretending to be poor is almost a national sport here. I think almost everyone on this forum that's lived in Poland has a story or two about "poor Poles" actually earning a significant amount on the side.

This forum helped more than i thought...
Thanks to all who contributed...

Finally , we are looking forward to relocated to warsaw , Each and everything in this world have pros n cons and so we are ready to accept it as it is.

Hope everything goes well ...

Fingers Crossed !

Hope to make some good friends like you all and maybe treat you with some nice Indian homemade cuisine...

Keep Smiling and helping people like us .

:)

Most foreigners do not look different to ordinary locals, your comments seem very naive and out of place in Poland 2013.


Spot on Delph.

No, he probably mistook gross with net.


You better relate to what I wrote and not go personally. I wouldn't feel comfortable sticking out of the crowd just because the color of my skin. Of course Warsaw is more cosmopolitan than any other Polish city, but such live I wouldn't call comfortable.

Perhaps. But it doesn't tell the real story of many teachers at all. Trying to quote the base salary is absurd when they're only contracted to work 15 hours a week!

I also "know" someone who works at a ministry and, while not at the very bottom, is not very far up, certainly not a dyrektor of a department or anything like that. She makes significantly more than even 2500 NETTO. But, Delph is correct in that talking about how little your job pays is quite normal. I would say that the only folks working for the gov't who might not earn significantly over 3k BRUTTO are the cleaning staff.

Nothing personal, I don't talk about IT as I am not knowledgeable on this subject, I can debate life and conditions in Warszawa until the cows come home, as I have forgotten more about this city than many people will ever know.

I would add, from reading the posts of Cms,Delph,Harry,Pip & Sobieski they are also very knowledgeable of life and reality in Waw.

perhaps but 3736 people would agree with Polishforeigner

numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Poland&city=Warsaw

Lying again I see milky:


By the way, would you care to quote where I disagree with the prices given by those people?

whoops 319 so

Did you spend any time reading the comments on your link?

so are they lying?
youtube.com/watch?v=dMOBgjIDnGM

True. I own 3 apartments in Krakow and am going to buy one more and a house in the countryside before I retire. But officially I am poor, remember.

That is actually true you may not be considered wealthy, firstly I doubt you own 3 apartments in Krakow more likely you own three flats which you could buy collectively for 450,000 Zlotys in Krk, As for a house in the countryside you could get away with 70-80,000 Zlotys. So a combined future wealth of 800,000 Zlotys does not make you rich.

I bought 2 and inherited 1, all worth about 7.5. :):):)


No, I am planning to spend a little more than that. :):)


Yes. :):)


BTW, what is the difference apart from US and BR use?

In Poland apartments are high end buildings normally with a concierge and private parking/security, flats/mieszkania are regular post communist buildings.

Oh, I see. Yes, I own flats then. :):):) But in good areas. :):)

PS. I wrote apartments because I thought you are American. Sorry.

Shh. You're a teacher, you're meant to plead absolute poverty.

They are all in good areas when you become a buyer/owner its only when you become a seller you realise how bad the area is according to the potential buyer.

Do people agree or disagree with these estimates.

Petrol 1000zl a month
Food 1000zl a month
Gas, electric, water, internet, mobile Bills 1000zl a month
Rent 2500-3500zl a month
Clothes and going out 500-2000zl a month
Doctors, chemists, carwash, dry cleaning, cosmetics, language classes, lightbulbs, candles, dishwasher tablets, general everyday things people buy 1000-2000zl a month
Health insurance, car insurance 200zl a month

Car second hand half decent 60,000 zl

I would argue that 10,500zl netto would be comfortable, but if you wanted to save as well, it would be tight.

Merged: Cost of Living in Warsaw (offered a job at 12K PLN / month)

Dear All,
I am offered a job in Warsaw with a 12k PLN /month (gross) + health Insurance + pension.
Can you tell me the tax that will be deducted and also the cost of living. I am married with a kid. I am relocating from India so saving in INR is important for me.

Thanks,

Serious Dev

I always wonder who supposedly is offering whom such salaries in Poland. This simply does not corresponds with everyday realities in this country. And always to Indians.

Actually quite difficult to get experienced polish developers less than 10k.

They are having a golden moment as lots of markets mature and processes and ERP get more important - finance, insurace, retail, logistics etc

i need info, please

i have a plans of the tourist trip by my own car, next year. i`ll travel to St. Peterborough (to see natural phenomenon known as the "White Nights" for the few days).

Anyway, it would be trip via Krakow and Warsaw where i planing to stay for a three days in each of these cities. What can you suggest me for accommodation? What are prices in some medium quality hotels- when are breakfast and dinner included? Name of those hotels, if possible?