PIS councillor wants to censor Poland's history book

Indeed, in your books anything that can be used to badmouth Poland is good.
Remember how this thread started. A brave lone councillor had to guts to stand up in defence of Poland's good name. "Good name" + "Poland" was a red cape to the PiSlamic Bull which triggered yet another round of his knee-jerk Poland-bashing. And, of course, as always he coiuld rely on his pitiful little disciple to second the derision.

I think you were born at the age of 47.... the graphic novel goes back at least to the 1980s and is different from comic book (though graphic novels can be published in comic book format and some comic books can contain graphic novels....

This isn't, though, is it, Po...


Airbrushing one of the most significant events in Bialystok during Zamenhof's life from the book would very much have the opposite effect.

To show Poland or Białystok as an interesting place when the audience are mainly ignorant foreign teens (and they really are ignorant although it is not PC to say so!) requries forethought and skill. Here is an audience that are not sure what Poland's capital is, what countries Poland borders and had never heard of the partitions. (I have worked with American college students, so believe me I know!). A few sentences cannot do justice to all the socio-ethno-religio-political complexities of such incidents, that period and that place on earth.

I'm sure you would not approve similar short-shrift treatment of the number of Poles murdered, jailed, beaten or sent to Siberia by Jews. There were certainly more than 88. Or how about an artistically drawn cartoon of young Jewish red-guardsmen shooting Polish soldiers in the back in Grodno in 1939. Such things need to be explained in a work devoted to precisely such topics and not tacked on as an also-ran to someone's comic-book-style biography. I'm more than sure you'd be doing a lot of airbrushing yourself (if you had any say in the matter) rather than just leaving the Grodno incident as mentioend above.

That isn't the target audience of the book that the renegade PiS official wanted to censor.


Nor is that part of the life of Ludwik Zamenhof, Bialystok's most famous son, who died in 1917.

So it's called a novel even if it's a biography or historical account not ficition?
And what's the Polish: powieść graficzna?

Yes.

Fortunately, the attempt at censorship has been slapped down by the Mayor's office. A good thing, because the book in question presents the life of Zamenhof well.

Then what is? It was my udnertsanding that these comics are to be distributed to Polish schools abroad and via Polish embassies. The graphic format appeals mainly to today's non-reading picture-minded generation.


Funny thing, PC is mainly about censorhip and yet you love, support and advocate the muzzling of free speech. How come?

Are you actually incapable of reading the basics about things before spouting off about them? As has been pointed out to you, the book is in Polish: very very few foreign teenagers speak Polish, so the audience of this book is most certainly not mainly foreign teens.

Being that you and Pol3 are a writers Harry, maybe you two should get together and write a history book of Poland (in Polish and English) that details the accounts of theses 88 plus people.

Have it printed and published in another country and smuggle it into Poland where I am sure it would sell like hotcakes on a cold morning.

Not only would you preserve the history of Poland but you and Pol3 could both get a financial boost and become best friends once you found out how much you two have in common.

Just saying................. :-)

Word is out that the book is to be translated into English. Those that attend Polish schools abroad do know Polish and they are amongst the target audiences. T'hose pre-teens and teens are apparently are more intelligent than one old Anglo-expat who has spent a "mere" 22 years in Poland but couldn't get the hang of the lingo so he never bothered to learn. Anglo-jabber is better, innit?

Out where?

I'm sure when it is the wording above the picture the PiSlamic State want to censor will read something along the lines of 'In 1906 in Białystok, inspired by the Tsarist authorities (the army and the police), there was pogrom against the Jewish population', just as the Polish text says that in Polish.


Oh look, yet more off-topic ad hom trolling of precisely the type that is supposed to draw at least a warning. And in this case it's completely inaccurate off-topic ad hom trolling, as is shown by the fact that I was able to read the text in the book which says "W 1906 r. w bialymstoku z inspiracji wladz carskich (wojska i policji) doszklo do pogromu ludnocsi zydowskiej" and so nail your lie about Russian provocation not being mentioned in the book that the Party of First Secretary Kaczynski wants to censor.

You know the old saying: If the shoe fits.... But no-one was named so how can it be ad hom?
Oh yes, that is perfect (pigdin) Polish: doszklo do pogromu ludnocsi

It has come to my attention.... You like that better? All kinds of things fly by people -- ideas, plans, projects also hearsay. This was one of them.

I had not read the book, but since a certain PiSlamic poster contested someone's statemenet that "Poles are not anti-Semitic", one could only conclude he was again tarring the people of Poland with the anti-Semitic brush,

BTW does the book mention that Jews opened fire on a Russian Orthodox procession? Was that true or just a provocation? What about the bomb that allegedly exploded during a Polish Corpus Christi procession the same day, killing a Catholic?

My profuse apologies, I beat my breast, mea maxim culpa for the capital crime of putting something in the wrong thread. If he could, Pislamic woudl gladly clamp me in irons and keep me on bread nad water for a year at least. Anyway, to make amends to Mayfixit I am re-posting it in the correct "Białystok councillor censorship" thread.

One quick question. How do you explain the huge volume of copy generated on PF by a single, local incident. There are numerous town councils where various rows, incidents and irregularities occur but go largely unnoticed beyond their local area. In terms of PF focus, the Białystok incident might appear to be a major "catastrophe", "disaster" or "conflagration". In actuality it is truly a peripheral occurrence if one consdiers the Manchester massacre, the NATO summit, scams such as AmberGold and many other domestic and international issues. What is your personal, candid take on this? Why so much hoopla, brouhaha and hullabaloo?

Please at least try to tell the truth. The history censoring councillor did not say that. If he had said it, I would largely agree with him, as most Poles are not anti-semitic. However, his claim was that "Poles have never been anti-semitic" which is a lie up there with the EU wanting to forcibly micro-chip all babies. Are you going to tell us that you support his lie?

Of course not, Every sweeping generalisation or obsession like someone's inborn PiS-bashing or pretending that Jews have always been victims, but never vicitmiers, is a lie. Everbody has been both a victim and victimisers at different times and places.

As I said before (but you probably weren't paying attetnion because it did not directly involve your cherished PiS-bashing obsession), please define anti-Semitism.

Attempting to photoshop history to promote their right-wing aganda. They just can't help themselves.

Fortunately it was a failure.

where did he say that? any link or you just lying again? i think even if he said that ,he meant poles as nation not every individual..in that case ,hes correct

Poor gregy, I fear you're suffering from the same problem as 'Polish' Polly. The quote and the link to the PIS councillor who wants to censor a history book saying that were provided in the very first post of this thread!

Of course there is no mention. And that's preferred by Harry & Co. because in their fanatical world only Jewish lives matter.

Any chance you can share a link to the online version of the book? I'd love to read all of it myself and you have clearly read it, so it would be great if you could share with us how to read it online.

Housebound Harry needs an online copy. LOL!

Why not come visit Białystok and review with the booklet with Councilor Chojnowski? Are you too scared to confront him with your disgust or can't you even afford the train fare?

[quote=Harry]online version of the book[/quote
You'd probably love to see some forceful anti-Polish quotes from Zamenhof but unlike you he was no Pole-basher. In fact during his travels when asked where in Russia he lived, he would correct the asker and say it was in Poland. In 1912, the World Esperanto Congress was held in Kraków, and Zamenhof wrote an incisive letter to its organisers. "In the event that you insist on speaking about my person," he wrote, "you can call me a son of Polish soil, because no-one can deny that the land in which both my parents lie buried and in which I constantly work and intend to work until I die is my home."

It's more that I wondered how you'd read it, seeing as you've must have read it in order to tell us what it does and doesn't mention. Or have you not read it and are just telling us what you imagine it says? You are well known for your imagination Bieggers. As for housebound, personally I ride a 35km loop round Warsaw three or four times a week, when did you last try getting out of the house and doing some exercise?


I've been to Bialystok three times in the last 18 months. Since they redid the train tracks and put those new PESA trains on it's a very nice journey. And the city itself is very nice. EU money has clearly been well spent there. Despite the town's reputation, I've always found all the people very friendly and welcoming, although perhaps a bigoted morbidly obese American might have a different experience.


It's not me who still lives with his parents with no prospect of getting a job and so kills time writing massive diatribes which nobody ever reads.

EU has no money.

So, nobody can explain why something that has little do do with Zamenhof need to be included in the story about him. Is that becasue of his Jewish origin - that is a bit racist isn't it.