31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8

Agenda, agenda, agenda.

His new kick is trying to make Poles feel collective guilt (so that can be tied to WWII and reparations to a certain group unhappy at a recent law)

Agenda, agenda, agenda.

Why would anyone feel 'collective guilt' about something as trivial as nationality? I don't feel guilty about the Ripper, and a Pole shouldn't feel guilty about drunken Polish lorry drivers.


For lorry drivers, yes, certainly there should be.

The difference between driving standards in Europe (for example, the low standards in Poland as evidenced by acciudent stats) is certainly a cross-border issue that needs resolving.

Agree no one should feel a collective guilt for anything they haven't done personally. However, nationality (like borders) is very real. If its not, destroy your UK passport, get hold of a Phillipino or Bangladeshi passport, and try to apply to some of those contracts you've been working with one of those. Probably end up cleaning the toilets, even with a PhD.

Don't confuse nationality with citizenship; they are very different things.

In American usage 'nationality' tends to refer to citizenship and a phrase like "a French national" means someone with French citizenship (not necessarily from native stock)

Agreed, this is not only American usage, but Western European also. In Poland, however, nationality and citizenship are meant separately. The term 'nationality' in Poland and Eastern Europe is roughly what 'ethnicity' is in the so-called "rotten" West.

I may be wrong, but in the old type of identity card (the one in the form of a booklet), people were assigned their declared nationality, despite the booklet itself being proof of Polish citizenship.

Pretty much. Masierak got 14 years, and the FedEx driver, Wagstaff, got 3 years and 4 months:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5536481/Lorry-drivers-jailed-pile-killed-eight-people.html

hmm basically a foreigner has been punished four time harsher.

No, I-S, the cases were separate, the evidence not the same, and both were sentenced under the same set of guidelines. Nationality has nothing to do with it.

If you say so. I mean using you own yard stick that seems to be inequality there so injustices is implied.
I get it. A White male cannot be a victim of oppression, not on your victim list anyhow.

I mean if that would have happened in Poland and there would be a Jew or a Arab in his stead. You wouldn't hastate to scream foul about anti-Semitism or racism. Plus some innuendos.

The law. Sentencing follows the crimes people are guilty of within a very prescribed framework


If, if, if....
An entire family were killed, the evidence was presented in court, those guilty were sentenced according to the severity of their crimes.

That has nothing to do with his nationality. Maseriak was charged with 8 counts of causing death by dangerous driving and 4 of injury by dangerous driving. That offence currently carries a 14 year sentence,with plans to increase it to life. In his case the maximum sentence was applied. Wagstaff was charged with 8 counts of causing death by careless driving and 4 of injury by careless driving. This is a less serious offence, hence the difference in sentencing.

I never claimed that it does. It was only a simple observation.

"Polish national Masierak, of Evesham, Worcestershire, had been stationary in the slow line for more than 12 minutes, despite miles of hard shoulder being available to him.

At trial, it emerged he did not have a professional licence after it was revoked by the authorities for multiple driving offences including speeding in his HGV, driving his lorry in the fast lane, running a red light and ignoring driving hours limits.

The court heard that Masierak had been driving erratically for more than two hours before the accident, including driving the wrong way around a major roundabout, driving the wrong way down a motorway slip way and then turning on the slip way to retrace his path.

Multiple witnesses reported beeping or flashing their lights at Masierak while he was stationary on the M1, which he ignored, indicating he was either asleep or unconscious at the time.

Cider cans were found in the cab of his lorry, suggesting that he had been drinking while at the wheel.

Judge Francis Sheridan said to Maseriak: "What you have tried to do is blame everyone and everybody except yourself.

"In short, you are a persistent, unmitigated, if not very accomplished, liar."

He said he had shown "no remorse" and that there was "no mitigation" in his case."Masierak had described himself to the jury as a "careful driver" and claimed he had attempted to pull over onto the hard shoulder as he felt unwell, but passed out and could not remember anything.

The court heard that he had not told his employers AIM of any of his previous driving convictions.

He denied he was drunk, claiming the cider cans had been left by a previous driver even though they had his finger prints on them.

I'm surprised he didn't get much longer since the situation is that bad. Was he charged for driving a lorry without a licence?


Certainly not unknown in Poland to blame other everyone other than oneself. I wonder if he voted PiS, (when he was still able to vote).

Really? You have to stoop that low to slag off PiS?

So you admit that you would. Thank you.


must be a commie mentality. You would know something about it wouldn't you?

Looks like you've intentionally misread that one. The facts are plain, the trial conducted scrupulously, and the perpetrators jailed with sentences proportionate to their crimes.