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Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów


delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
28 May 2013 #31
What do you think of the remodelling work he did at Kornik?

Kornik always strikes me as wasted potential, actually.
jon357 74 | 22,060
28 May 2013 #32
Same here. It has a certain heaviness of form (not of course his fault) that sits badly with what he was trying to do and is only emphasised by the whole Beidermeier effect that he doesn't quite get away from. Nevertheless he was quite forward looking, just so very stolid with it. Perhaps his clients wanted that effect, however given that it's a theme throughout that period of work I suspect it was a bit more than that. The Puginesque tracery at Kornik shows he was in touch with international style and there are certainly quite deliberate French themes there. You can see the same at Goluchow which I always think has a look of Bradford Baronial. This underlines that he was working to suit contemporary german tastes, but among it all, there's a flash of something else.

I'd like to see his designs for the Reichstag.
Harry
28 May 2013 #33
which was notoriously claimed to be rigged. In fact nothing can be further from the truth.

Forgive us for believing what chairman of the Polish census statistical office at the time, Edward Szturm de Sztrem, said about the census over your version.

the beneficiaries of ETHNIC CLEANSING

How is the weather in Grunberg in Schlesien today?
Ironside 53 | 12,422
28 May 2013 #34
Forgive us for believing what chairman of the Polish census statistical office at the time, Edward Szturm de Sztrem, said about the census over your version.

When he said it? Wouldn't that be during the time when Soviets were consolidating their rule over Poland? It makes his statement to the effect worthless.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
28 May 2013 #35
Ironside, it's really not a secret that the 1931 Census was rigged. You do know the big, notable difference between the 1921 (fair) one and the 1931 one, right?
Harry
28 May 2013 #36
Wouldn't that be during the time when Soviets were consolidating their rule over Poland? It makes his statement to the effect worthless.

Blaming the Soviets for the actions of the 1930s Polish government, now there's a new one. Is there anything that the Soviets can't be blamed for? Can we also blame them for Ukrainian actions towards Poles in 1943 to 1946?
Ironside 53 | 12,422
28 May 2013 #37
Ironside, it's really not a secret that the 1931 Census was rigged.

Well even if it was (and I'm not saying that it was rigged) what point you are trying to make here?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
28 May 2013 #38
That what Chris R posted cannot be relied on.

And unfortunately for him, the numbers from the 1921 Census (that most people agree is reliable) tell a story that I don't think he wants told; namely the huge majority of Ukrainians in Wolyn.
Ironside 53 | 12,422
28 May 2013 #39
Blaming the Soviets for the actions of the 1930s Polish government

please, debate with yourself as long as you want but why would you quote my post?

nd unfortunately for him, the numbers from the 1921 Census (that most people agree is reliable) tell a story that I don't think he wants told; namely the huge majority of Ukrainians in Wolyn.

Can you point to his post that actually says what you said it does?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,131
28 May 2013 #40
Can you point to his post that actually says what you said it does?

His quoting of statistics from the 1931 Census as somehow being proof that Poles were in the majority.
Ironside 53 | 12,422
28 May 2013 #41
Well you said :

That what Chris R posted cannot be relied on.
And unfortunately for him, the numbers from the 1921 Census (that most people agree is reliable) tell a story that I don't think he wants told; namely the huge majority of Ukrainians in Wolyn.

Could you point me to his post that support your claim or leave the lasting impressions that in fact your posts cannot be relied on.
Harry
28 May 2013 #42
Did you miss the bit about "no Wilsonian free determination of peoples in Lwów or the greater Galician region" or just fail to understand it?
Ironside 53 | 12,422
28 May 2013 #43
once again Harry you are debating with yourself but at the same time you quote my post. I don't mind it really, I just find it slightly disconcerting.
Harry
28 May 2013 #44
once again Harry you are debating with yourself but at the same time you quote my post.

You asked for the part of Chris' post which supported Delph's statement about Chris wanting to show proof that Poles were in the majority there. So I directed you to the part about Wilsonian free determination of peoples. If you didn't understand what he meant, that's fine.
Ironside 53 | 12,422
28 May 2013 #45
You asked for the part of Chris' post which supported Delph's statement about Chris wanting to show proof that Poles were in the majority there

Don't tell me what I have asked for, please.

So I directed you to the part about Wilsonian free determination of peoples.

It wasn't what I have been asking for.

If you didn't understand what he meant, that's fine.

I do understand that you claim to know better what I have said and then you are answering that question. Which is in fact an answer to your own post.

Keep debating with yourself Harry I don't mind.
Harry
28 May 2013 #46
Clearly either you failed to understand what Chris meant by "no Wilsonian free determination of peoples in Lwów or the greater Galician region" or you wish to distract attention from the fact that he was, yet again, spouting utter rubbish, as evidenced by his attempt to support his argument with a source that is at best long ago discredited.
Ironside 53 | 12,422
28 May 2013 #47
Is that even mean anything? Surly you don't understand what I have asked for.Thats all right the question was for delphi.


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