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What do Poles owe to Germans?


OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
18 Sep 2011  #121
=sascha] they have fear and respect for oneanother. :)

Exactly. You put it nicely.
beckski 12 | 1,619    
28 Sep 2011  #122
What do Poles owe to Germans?

I gotta admit, I love their Steiff bears ;)


  • Steiff :)
sascha 1 | 831    
28 Sep 2011  #124
statistics say that the german shepard dog is the one with the most attacks on people.

to the topic:

nothing. more the other way around
PWEI 3 | 612    
28 Sep 2011  #125
sascha
statistics say that the german shepard dog is the one with the most attacks on people.

Journalist mate of mine was recently doing a story about Auschwitz and while in the area was attacked by a dog which locals claimed was a direct descendant of the dogs the SS used at the camp.
sascha 1 | 831    
28 Sep 2011  #126
ok. point is? german dna, even if its only dogs, is highly resistent?? ;)
gumishu 11 | 4,902    
28 Sep 2011  #127
statistics say that the german shepard dog is the one with the most attacks on people.

I very much doubt it - at least in Poland - I have seen lots of very timid german shepherd dogs here and I believe german shepherd is much easier trained into strict obedience than for example rotweilers and dobermans
sascha 1 | 831    
28 Sep 2011  #128
the stats i am referring to are european. u r right, all 3 rassen are very problematic by overbreeding but the leader in attacks, even if only by haaresbreite, is the german shephard.
Stuhm - | 3    
13 Aug 2012  #129
Poles themselves do not owe anything, however just because the russians and the allies gave pomerania,prussia, silesia to poland doesnt make it right. of course invading poland isnt right either however the germans are no longer in poland. all german occupied polish land was returned to poland except for what russia has taken.

the polish land that the russians have should be given back to poland. and pomerania,prussia, silesia land given back to germany.
Ironside 47 | 9,328    
13 Aug 2012  #130
to poland doesnt make it right.

of curse is makes it right!

all german occupied polish land was returned to poland

Nothing was returned, germans were just kicked out !

the polish land that the russians have should be given back to poland

Right!

and pomerania,prussia, silesia land given back to germany.

Why?
legend 3 | 671    
13 Aug 2012  #131
all german occupied polish land was returned to poland except for what russia has taken.

the polish land that the russians have should be given back to poland. and pomerania,prussia, silesia land given back to germany.

Thats not really fair for Belurus/Ukraine? (okay okay I admit Ukraine is a tad bit too large so they can spare some land :))
Funky Samoan 2 | 181    
14 Aug 2012  #132
the polish land that the russians have should be given back to poland. and pomerania,prussia, silesia land given back to germany.

And who should live there?
gumishu 11 | 4,902    
14 Aug 2012  #133
Frau Lebensraum
Stuhm - | 3    
14 Aug 2012  #134
Stuhm: and pomerania,prussia, silesia land given back to germany.

Why?

because this land isnt polish, just polish people there.
poland should have thier original land ( not prussia etc)

Funky Samoan: And who should live there?

"Frau Lebensraum" haha probably

germans and ethnic prussians maybe an independant state similar to austria. but not poles
Ironside 47 | 9,328    
14 Aug 2012  #135
because this land isnt polish, just polish people there.
poland should have thier original land ( not prussia etc)

Well, you were saying the same after WWI about land which clearly belonged to Poland for centuries.
Prussia is not original German land either and was part of Poland for 300 years.
It was Germany not Poland who has been unsatisfied with borders before the war, so you got your ass kicked and border had been changed. Why are you crying now?

ethnic prussians

A what?

independant state similar to austria. but not poles

Do you speak English?
Stuhm - | 3    
14 Aug 2012  #136
1.Im not a German my ancestors can be traced 800 years at least in England

2.you seem upset you want a cuddle?

3. and before 300 years its not polish

4. english i speak it.

what was the purpose of taking the prussian land after ww2 for poland to displace more people?
the land should be given back not taken back
4 eigner 2 | 847    
14 Aug 2012  #137
Lets do a bit of a summary of what Germans did for Poles.

not again this bs story. The war is over, move on.
Funky Samoan 2 | 181    
  14 Aug 2012  #138
germans and ethnic prussians maybe an independant state similar to austria. but not poles

Who the hell are "ethnic Prussians"? The Old Prussian language got extint in the 1600s and was replaced by the German dialects "Low and High Prussian" and all of them - decendants of "Old Prussians", decendants of German and Dutch/Flemish immigrants, Germanized Slavs, Polish speaking Mazurians and the remainder of Lithuanian speaking "Preußisch Litthauer" - got kicked out of their country or got killed in 1945.

It's not that I like that! I am not a friend of ethnic cleansing, and as a German patriot I don't take masochistic pleasure from the fact that so much territory that was German speaking for centuries is lost. But if you look what happened in that area during WWII one has to admit it was the logic ending of Germany's attempt to create a Greater German Empire on the cost of all of its neighbours.

If you really are an Englishman, which I doubt because your English reads like you never spoke to a native speaker before, I appreciate your feelings for our countrymen that lived East of Oder-Neisse before 1945. They had to pay the price for Nazi Germany's crimes which is sad and unfair, but most of them are dead now. And most of their decendants adopted the local culture and styles of their new homes, therefore they are no longer existent.

If a decendant of a German Silesian, Pomeranian or Prussian should feel homesick he or she can move to Poland. I really mean it! Many people still haven't understood that the border is open now. All he/she needs to do is looking for a home and a job, learning Polish probably would help, and then he can move to Gdansk or Wroclaw.

Or do you honestly mean that the Poles that live in the former German territories for over 67 years now would leave their homes in order to move the Kresy territories? This is so far from reality that I don't want to get into that discussion.
legend 3 | 671    
14 Aug 2012  #139
Well, you were saying the same after WWI about land which clearly belonged to Poland for centuries.

I can agree to this.

Why are some Germans still whining about Prussia?
I feel sorry for the people who died and got pushed out of their lands (both sides) but move on seriously.
The owners of Prussia have changed several times.

Maybe some Germans dream of this:
euratlas.net/history/europe/1800/index.html
Maybe some Poles dream of this:
euratlas.net/history/europe/1600/index.html

But reality is:
euratlas.net/history/europe/2000/index.html
Ironside 47 | 9,328    
14 Aug 2012  #140
the land should be given back not taken back

try this trick with your brain and then come back here!
Palivec - | 380    
15 Aug 2012  #141
Prussia is not original German land either and was part of Poland for 300 years.

What is "original German land"? And what is "original Polish land"? That's just bollocks.
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
15 Aug 2012  #142
Funky has good ideas.
rankalee 2 | 56    
16 Aug 2012  #143
I heard, Poland has got the original German hymn ..
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
  25 Aug 2012  #144
Really?
Yaaaaawn.......
Try harder than this....
sascha 1 | 831    
9 Sep 2012  #145
poles owe germans? since when? if so, what would they "give" to even the depts? just joking. they "owe" nothing to germans...imo
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
9 Sep 2012  #146
Thanks for input. I see you haven`t changed your views.

In 1917 Germans sent Lenin and his few accolades to tsarist Russia on a mission to ignite a bolshevik revolution and overthrow the Russian government. Lenin was successful in provoking the revolt which brought about incredible chaos in Russia. Thanks to it, one of major enemies of Poland was destabilised to such an extent that, together with Germany`s and Austria`s collapse, Poland was able to regain freedom.

Why did the Germans send Lenin back to Russia?

They sent Lenin back to Russia hoping that he would foment further revolutionary activity in Russia so that Russia would withdraw from fighting Germany in World War I. The February Revolution of 1917 had already taken place while Lenin was in Switzerland. Despite this revolution overthrowing the Tsar, the Provisional Government put in place of the Tsar was still committed to fighting Germany in the war. The Germans knew that most Russians wanted to end their involvement in the war, so the German High Command knew Lenin wanted Russia out of the war, so it sent Lenin back to Russia hoping he would lead another rebellion, take control and end Russia's hostilities with Germany. Lenin led the October Bolshevik Revolution and entered into the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the Central Powers ending Russia's involvement in the war.

APF 4 | 106    
24 Jan 2013  #147
A looooooooooooooooooooooot of cultural items and Half of the country, which belongs today to Poland.
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
  24 Jan 2013  #148
Sorry, no. Half the country was German reparation for WW2.

Besides, we share ex German East Prussia with Russia.
Ironside 47 | 9,328    
24 Jan 2013  #149
A looooooooooooooooooooooot of cultural items

Do you mean items robbed or destroyed by Germans?
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
24 Jan 2013  #150
Most probably. :):):):)

Hey, it is not fair! In other "owe" threads we present famous Poles of non-Polish origin.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyndram_of_Maszkowice

In 1409, Zyndram was called to arms by king Władysław II Jagiełło to take part in his offensive against the Teutons. During the famous Battle of Grunwald of 1410, Zyndram was the Grand Camp Leader of the Crown and commander of the Banner of Kraków, composed of elite troops and holding the banner of the whole army. According to Historiæ Polonicæ by Ioannes Longinus, it was the unit commanded by Zyndram that killed the Teutonic commander, Ulrich von Jungingen. For many years, it was also believed that he was commander of all Polish troops in the battle, but recent research proved that this was but a wrong translation of Longinus' chronicle. His part in the battle was also described by Henryk Sienkiewicz in his novel The Teutonic Knights.

A number of polonised Germans defended Poland in 1939 against Nazi and Soviet aggression:
Józef Unrug

Unrug was born in Brandenburg an der Havel into the Germanized family of Tadeusz Unrug, a major-general in the Prussian Army. After graduating from gymnasium in Dresden, Unrug completed Navy School in 1907 and began service in the German Navy. During World War I he commanded a U-boat, earning promotion to the command of a submarine flotilla.

After Poland regained independence, Unrug left Germany and volunteered for the Polish Army. .


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Unrug


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