Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war?

How so?


How do you embrace your heritage?

[quote theOther to be ultra-nationalistic[/quote]

so you call it ultra-nationalistic when people have obvious reasons for not having any sympathy for the Soviets, right? I guess, you would give them all medals for murdering your relatives and thousands of your countrymen.

The ex-pat community in any country is usually always the most patriotic.
It is partly down to cultural insecurity and a sense of wanting to belong

I am sure that if you went to a Polish club in Australia and tried to raise
a toast to Stalin you would get an almighty kicking

The irony amuses me

Sorry for breaking in, guys...

Hi, Sok! Could you please give me some link to back up your first statement?
Suvorov is not a link, if anything he's science-fiction writer, not a historian. Thanks!

You should understand though, that even if there are such figures (which I highly doubt), they are totally unreliable and there's hardly a way to get real figures. In fact, many Poles particularly at the times of Polish Operation would want to gio as "Russians" and willingly made up a good number of the NKVD itself.

Sorry. Keep going...

Ditto, although I have no real idea how much was lost because its all gone. Even my parents death in 1991 was a direct result of the Soviets actions.

Are you implying that Putin's father was Polish ?

in hindsight no, not at all.

And lets remind the Russians that they were losing the war before the allies with the Americans invaded the western front.

No, thats not true.

Had Russia capitulated or signed an armistice with the Nazis in 41-22, then there is no guarantee that the allies would have won. Rommel may have won in the desert, The ailed invasion of Italy would have failed, You can't underestimate the USSR's contribution to winning the war weather you like them or not.

[quote Barney]

[quote=KingAthelstan Had Russia capitulated or signed an armistice with the Nazis in 41-22, then there is no guarantee that the allies would have won. [/quote]

are you guys saying that the Soviets would have won that war without any help? Don't be ridiculous.

We will never know.

oh, so now we will never know but look at your reply #72. You seem to be pretty sure about anything that depicts Soviets as big heroes. What are you, a Soviet/Russian or just some kind of Soviets admirer?

Actually, it seems to be that you are unable of rational thought. Stop being so dogmatic, its possible to hate the Soviets and also accept that if it wasn't for them Poland would just be another dead, and ultimately forgotten country of history

As Norman Davis's book points out, 95% of the man fighting hours was the Soviet army. they were such a juggernaut by the end of the war they could probably have taken on the allies and won. After defeating German they took on Japan and slaughtered them in the East.

The Soviets were getting the better of the Axis forces before D Day.

This one is actually the truth, Russia would have won without any help, the war would last a year longer but they'd win allright.

you love your country but what but?

No but here. You looks quite awefull in the eyes of Racowie here on this forum. No but, when it comes to Poland. Poland has her positive and negative phases but Poland is Poland. So, no BUT when it comes to Poland

yes, hupothetically. the war would have lastet longer, but the resources and manpower were on the russian side. dont forget all their inventions at the end of the war which were copied by us later on, because some of the russian engineers had to flee...same story with the german inventions. remember wernher von braun???

i think poles in some way are grateful. all that torture by the nazi regime...ok, also the russian time is not flawless, but imo better than nazi time.

When sounds interesting?


Can you PROVE to me that Poland would exist without the Russian and partly the American efforts?

here is prove for you

11 Listopad 1918

We friggen do know, we know very well that had Germany and of course her allies, Japan, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria etc etc would have had enough resources to beat the soviets has they not thrown in half of their military to defend the Atlantic wall.

Both were intent on ending Polish existence but in different ways,would you like to die from cholera or flu ?dead is dead

Took on Japan???? They declared war on Japan three days before the surrender AFTER the US dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
"they took on Japan and slaughtered them " might be a bit of an overstatement.


Actually, Patton wanted to re-arm the Germans and head for Moscow after the German surrender. They might have gone for it!

So... Can you show me a source that backs up these claims? How many Poles were killed by the Communist occupiers during the communist era? Why was Polish history still taught in schools, why was the Polish language not suppressed, why were there no mass murders of Poles after the Soviets had firm control?


Read about the invasion of Manchuria. Don't simply assume things, it'll just make you look stupid.

Also, please get your facts straight. They're absurdly wrong.

on the INTERNET forum, not likely.


Define the communist era.


Are you sure it was Polish history that had been taught ?


Why you asking irrelevant question, Poles were murdered by the ten of thousands after the WWII by the Soviets.

They'd have lost because they didn't have a viable bomb - and it's well documented that their supply lines were incredibly overstretched in order to get to Berlin first.

Poland made a massive mistake in WW2 by not waiting until the Russians were almost at the gates of Berlin - they could never have survived a ruthless Polish attack on their supply lines, especially if the Poles were covertly aided by the Americans.

obviously not overstretched enough. ;) they came in 1st. :)


nice combination of 'ifs', but it did not turned out that way as history showed. its quite interesting how some people here on pf are trying to minimize the ussr part of the ww2 victory against nazi germany. are u people ussr/russian phobics? ;)

poles my guess at the end of the war would not have been cared for who came for liberation. ussr came 1st. punkt.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong - I think the speed of the Russian advance was incredible, especially when you consider the beatings they took in places like Kostrzyn and Poznan.


It's very much a "what if" scenario - there's always the possibility that the Russians would have given up the "prize" of Berlin and simply concentrated on giving Poland a hiding instead. If they had wanted to, they could have destroyed Poland at that point.

correct, but the meaning and symbol of berlin was enough motivation for them to be there 1st, and of course later on strategic when they noticed what power they have. under no price they would have given it to us/f/eng.